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August 24, 2007

Why Goings?

Asked the question last week and will ask it again now: Why is Nick Goings returning kickoffs?

I mean, we all know what Goings can do - catch the ball and run about 22 or 23 yards. Or catch the ball and take a knee like he just did at the end of the first quarter.

Why isn't rookie Ryne Robinson, who was out there to be a return specialist, back there? Coach John Fox was asked about that last week and he said something about wanting to see his options. Maybe Fox is saving Robinson for the regular season or maybe Goings will be averaging 22 or 23 yards a return in the regular season.

-- PAT YASINSKAS

Posted by Observer Sports on August 24, 2007 at 09:33 PM | Permalink

Comments

Goings is returning kicks because he can. He's no Michael Bates, but he continues to show that he remarkably able to play many different positions. Fox might be a little Foxy here, too. In training-camp coverage, Robinson and others were returning kicks - not Goings. Perhaps, we're putting Goings out there now but saving Robinson (and Biddle) for the regular season, knowing full well, that during training camp that they can get it done. Sending Goings straight ahead during preseason and then putting out the wily Robinson and Biddle during the regular season could be some great gamesmanship...by the way, Robinson has looked GREAT in punt returns...Go CATS!

Posted by: Jim in tampa, panther fan since inception | Aug 24, 2007 11:06:11 PM

Why is he doing it? Because it's what the Panther braintrust wants. Why do they want it? I doubt even they know. Half the decisions made in the past year or so look like they flipped coints to make them.

Posted by: jdb1972 | Aug 24, 2007 11:08:04 PM

Why Goings?...Its typical Foxy, who doesn't know that.
The pressing question is why the "New Offense" can't seem to move the ball. Somewhere DHenning has to be chuckling. All this talk about a new offense so far seems to be just that, all talk. The Panthers can't get 1st downs!, Patty, you might want to ask Foxy how the hell he thinks he can beat STL in Week 1 with the offense we've seen the past two weeks.

Posted by: Red | Aug 24, 2007 11:58:15 PM

A few observations: Why does the "new" DeShaun Foster look a lot like the "old"...maybe 'cause he's really NOT the answer! Feed the rock to DeAngelo, or even Nick for God's sake...at least they look like they want it. Also, how do you make a 350 lb. man disappear? Answer: Make him a Panthers defensive tackle! Where the @#$& are those guys anyway!? I didn't see Kemo or Jenkins in on a single play, period. I realize it's just the preseason, but it looks grim right now.

Posted by: Panther Dan | Aug 25, 2007 1:31:35 AM

I was saying the same thing last night. Here are other questions we should be asking: Why is Rucker still starting when McClover looks better, why did we keep our special teams coach and def cord? Why cant we ever run block? why does one catch make colbert the starter? Whats he had 3 catches in three pre season games? Why are we not capable of stopping the run and why do our def tackles look fat and slow?

Posted by: not again Mark | Aug 25, 2007 7:46:36 AM

Where have I heard THIS LINE before; and WHO said it? That performance last night (and last week's game, too) have "just sucked the life and excitement out of the stadium" and of my expectations for this upcoming season of Panthers football! Simply, a pathetic, putrid exhibition! Are the Patriots (and the the Eagles) just that good? Or, are we just so bad, right now, that we made them look that good?
Thank God...it is still preseason and more time to "get it fixed" is still available...BUT, can it all get fixed in two weeks or so? Just don't know about that, Coach? Just don't know?
Oh yeah, Mr. Richardson...I recall what you said after that horrific 1 and 15 season, and I know you can't be too pleased right now, eventhough it's still early and still preseason! Just hope you don't have to offer up similar sentiments after '07 - '08 season! Come on Panthers...fix it...get it right!!!

Posted by: T. LeVan | Aug 25, 2007 8:24:38 AM

youre right...Deshaun has got to GOOOO!!! Too slow. What Does Foxy see in him? Also, we have found a new QB!!!!

Posted by: mike killion | Aug 25, 2007 8:46:22 AM

A new QB...no, Brady has been there a while.

P.D.

Posted by: Panther Dan | Aug 25, 2007 9:38:39 AM

I love the panthers but they are pretty pathetic. They fail to meet any reasonable expectations. In a way, last season was worse that the "bad" season. They were EXPECTED to go to the Super Bowl by all the experts. This organization just doesn't seem capable of getting the job done. Maybe they should steal some organizational leaders from the Bobcats who play hard every game and have exceeded all expectations AND has the best record of any team in expansion history at this point.

Posted by: Mo | Aug 25, 2007 10:29:03 AM

I would hope he is bluffing his hand right now and not showing his true colors. I believe Robinson, Biddle, or Williams will be returning kicks in the season opener and Fox is just saving his best for when he absolutely needs it. I'm sure every team is holding their best return specialist off the field until the regular season opener.

However, if Fox is going to stick with Goings I have to question the move. A straight line runner, with average speed and bascially no acceleration. Does not possess the quickness or the stop and start ability to be a return man. Just a quick scouting report on what I have seen thus far. But by now we all knew this about Goings anyway.

Posted by: John | Aug 25, 2007 11:09:17 AM

And while I'm online I might as well comment on the game. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be reading into these preseason games, but if this is what our first team offense and defense is going to look like during the regular season we're staring 7-9 or another 8-8 right in the face. I just don't see the consistency right now from either unit. Maybe its a lack of passion or pride, or because we haven't implented a gameplan. Whatever it is, it needs to be corrected.

Like I said before you can gameplan all you want. It ultimately comes down to beating your man one on one and I haven't seen any of this from our offensive or defensive lines. Where is the pass rush? Rucker's old and Peppers is getting double teamed already. And its just preseason. Stanley McClover is an undersized defensive end who can only be used on passing downs. The only problem is if he can't blow past his blocker with speed, he has no chance of getting to the QB.

The offense is bascially the same as last year. No consistent holes, leaving us with third and forever. Could we please go ahead and start Jarrett and end this competition between Colbert and Carter? They're equals in terms of production and skill level. Which means neither won of them will probably win the job. Colbert looked almost silly running with the ball last night on his way to the endzone. Maybe its because I haven't seen him do that for almost three years. Is that the way he really runs? Is he bow-legged? These are questions that really need to be answered, but yet are pointless in there own way because we are actually discussing Colbert. That in itself is a shock.

Anyways, I'm not to thrilled with what I saw last night and it looks like a pretty long season for the Panthers.

Posted by: John | Aug 25, 2007 11:27:18 AM

Thank god this is preseason because that game flat out sucked last night. I really hope that was another experiment gone awry and that Fox is not showing his full hand to the league right now.
The word was that the new blocking scheme was supposed to open up the run, but it sure looked like the old Henning run it up the middle on a draw play schtick last night. We looked terrible, just awful on special teams, they let 2 FGs get blocked and had terrible coverage on kickoffs again. And why in the hell do we keep Shelton on the roster, that man is a waste of space! He might retire from the Panthers with negative gains for his career.
We need to throw deeper more often and stop trying to power the ball up the middle, our coaches still ignore our strengths and play to our weaknesses for some reason.

Posted by: ben | Aug 25, 2007 12:22:10 PM

Everytime I walk outside of Bank of America stadium and look at the big menacing cats, I think that this should be the most intimidating place in the NFL, but teams walk in here knowing that they're gonna win! Last night was an embarrassment and fans deserve better from there home team. Is it me or does it seem like every other team that plays on t.v. during the preason looks fast and quick, while we look to be stuck in quicksand. We are bad on both sides of the ball, and special teams. This team is done!!!This team will be 6-10.

Posted by: rage1 | Aug 25, 2007 12:25:07 PM

Still preseason, but win a game!!! All this tinkereing is great with the o-line, but pick guys and play! Give them a chance to get used to the same position. Goings is going to get cut, Dline looked like it was top heavy..and these guys at 350 surely are not. Without a running game and a decrnt oline delhome is going to stink and people are going to call for carr, and guess what he is still going to get sacked alot! Lets play inspired and forget the preseason crap and win!!!

Posted by: Local | Aug 25, 2007 1:33:57 PM

AGAIN !!! I see the very nonchalant, Coach Fox, with his arms folded across his chest, expressionless. He's got the passion of a slug. And, Tyrgovac is emulating him. Special teams is inept.
Defensive line is more like a neutral line. The oline truly seemed miffed by the very excellent Pats dline. Brady, picked the secondary apart like it was the carcus of a Thanksgiving bird. The offense is just like last years. (I'm hoping the coaches don't want to show the real offense. We'll see !)

As it is said, "Sh__ runs downhill". Smarten up Fox and kick some ass. I live and die by the Panthers' Football Club. If my team goes to hell, then I'm going with them as long as they try to get out. For crying out loud .... get some damn enthusiasm.
1cpantherfan

Posted by: 1cpantherfan | Aug 25, 2007 2:30:15 PM

Last nights game definitely was a big disappointment. Negatives:

run D
pass D
special teams
run O
pass O

I am a loyal fan (maybe to a fault), but I am starting to think that Fox on down will not get it done.

-When we tackled their RB's they often fell forward 2-3 more yards.

-Our CB's were disappointing. They were often in the right spot to make a play and, well, did not (see the duck/floater from Brady to Stallworth on Ken Lucas).

-No pass rush.

-Not 1 but 2 blocked FG's is absurd. Gross and Hangartner were both pushed in the backfield, Gross got knocked on his butt and Hangartner was pushed all the way back to the kicker.

-Pats show balls enough to go for it on 4th and 1/2 a yard on about there own 25. We decide to attempt FG from their 32 (49 yarder) and ... blocked.

-We need to pick a starting OL and get them reps together for continuity. Bridges messed up, so find another to take his place and MAKE IT HAPPEN.

-3 dropped balls in 1st half [Carter on 3rd down 1st drive, King on 1st down 2nd drive and DeAngelo]. Consequently, there was only one other incompletion that Jake threw, and that was to Smitty and could have been called interference.

All in all the only player I see playing with fire is Smitty. Enthusiasm on the field can be infectious. I think that is the main thing this team needs AT THIS POINT.

With all this said, it is still the pre-season, and the regular season is long enough for this team to "grow up". Skeptic's, keep in mind that the Pats and Eagles have been 2 of the most consistent teams in the league the past several years, with good-great coaches AND QB's
.

Posted by: Will Parker | Aug 25, 2007 3:28:11 PM

Last nights game definitely was a big disappointment. Negatives:

run D
pass D
special teams
run O
pass O

I am a loyal fan (maybe to a fault), but I am starting to think that Fox on down will not get it done.

-When we tackled their RB's they often fell forward 2-3 more yards.

-Our CB's were disappointing. They were often in the right spot to make a play and, well, did not (see the duck/floater from Brady to Stallworth on Ken Lucas).

-No pass rush.

-Not 1 but 2 blocked FG's is absurd. Gross and Hangartner were both pushed in the backfield, Gross got knocked on his butt and Hangartner was pushed all the way back to the kicker.

-Pats show balls enough to go for it on 4th and 1/2 a yard on about there own 25. We decide to attempt FG from their 32 (49 yarder) and ... blocked.

-We need to pick a starting OL and get them reps together for continuity. Bridges messed up, so find another to take his place and MAKE IT HAPPEN.

-3 dropped balls in 1st half [Carter on 3rd down 1st drive, King on 1st down 2nd drive and DeAngelo]. Consequently, there was only one other incompletion that Jake threw, and that was to Smitty and could have been called interference.

All in all the only player I see playing with fire is Smitty. Enthusiasm on the field can be infectious. I think that is the main thing this team needs AT THIS POINT.

With all this said, it is still the pre-season, and the regular season is long enough for this team to "grow up". Skeptic's, keep in mind that the Pats and Eagles have been 2 of the most consistent teams in the league the past several years, with good-great coaches AND QB's
.

Posted by: Will Parker | Aug 25, 2007 3:36:15 PM

what is with the special teams in general? Is there a reason two FGs were blocked, such as new personnel being tried out on the line? I thought those two plays were really key for the game. If both of those FGs were good rather than being blocked and giving the Pats a short field that led to points, the game would have been a bit different.

Posted by: pablo | Aug 25, 2007 4:10:55 PM

I saw one reason the FGs got blocked, and Fox gave another after the game:
*The Pats used a unique kick-blocking scheme where they loaded the rush against one side of the line, rather than balancing it across the line. That's the kind of thing that gets gameplanned for from tape during the regular season.
*As for the personnel, here's what Fox had to say after the game (panthers.com):
On the Panthers performance: "We had some missed opportunities. We juggled some personnel on our field goal team and we had two blocked field goals that are fairly routine for us normally. But those are things we can get fixed. We've still got a lot of work to do."

"On what happened on the blocked field goals: We had a couple of guys we were holding out and we took a look at a couple of new guys and we were a little smaller in there than we would normally be. We had a couple of injury concerns with some of our bigger guys in there that play those positions and we didn't want to take a risk."

Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 26, 2007 12:05:34 AM

Panther World Simmer down.....just wait and let them guys get it together.Im telling you again. Keep Colbert, we're gonna need him in the second half of the season, showing you some of what now. Them break out touches in the games. And the Defense and everyone just needs to play with more awareness and passion and drive and determination and they will.....and all this will be help out when the roster cuts down to 53 and then everyone will know who's going out fighting the battle every Sunday...The season has high hopes Panther World..The team , coaching and whoever knows whats at stake. Their job and their being here...So I dont really think that would really jeopardized that...Just get every still and if its injuries your waiting for then we'll be ready....just keep conditioning and coaching the guys up...We have to coach the team up huys....Im telling you its on us as community....we have to rally up....you have heard of stories as such....we rally up as a community and Queen City and other parts of the NC....we can take this Championship....reported like no other....we have a story to tell....now I know this may sound to big...but we can campaign and lobby for them and once the players see a whole community and more coming to together on there behalf....they have no other choice but to believe it and wake the *^(@ up...come together themselves and win and get it done....we are the backbone...we have to take whats deservingly ours...we have to let the NFL know that NC is for real and have power as well and the ability to make things happen as a people....Far stretch I kno...but I believe....that team, Panthers have to know that we are behind them for whatever season is instore that NO ONE knows whats gonna happen...obviously we know we are in store for and emotional ride...but we have to be there with them....we all Panther fans suffer the losses and pain and the wins as deep as the players...we feed off of one another....we can do this Panther World...Never mind how it looks now....I have to never mind it....:), to keep my spirits high on the team and the season....rough....but it will indeed be alright! Holla....."GEAR UP"
think about what I said....unity!'PW'

Posted by: Dee | Aug 26, 2007 3:35:30 AM

Remember folks who talk about enthusiasm...fans play a huge part in creating the atmosphere as well....to criticise the enthusiasm usually doesn't spur enthusiasm. And you wonder why the crowd is deflated...yeah, kick thier butts and don't blow smoke, but don't stomp them into the ground...maybe a little prayer for the team could help.....not for wins but for livelihood and passion.

rob

rob

Posted by: Rob | Aug 26, 2007 12:58:56 PM

I can't help but wonder if many people, including the "reporters" even watch these games.

Anyone ever think that maybe Robinson wasn't very good at returning kicks? Just a wild guess but that COULD be why he didn't do it in college. I know most people don't realize how different the two are but you'd think a sports journalist would.

As for the game against the Pats, in particular, Peppers and Morgan played 14 and 16 snaps, respectively. Guys like David Ball, McClover and Seward were the ones getting their butts handed to them. And even with all the backups playing, if the starting FG line had been in and Kasay makes the two that were blocked, the Panthers are down 4 points during the period that both teams "starters" played. Take away the long bomb Lucas gave up that directly resulted in a TD and the Panthers are winning. He's pretty good. He isn't going to give up that play very often. What about all the drops? The plays were there and they were working. Guys just have to hold on to the ball. And for the love of god, will someone actually watch D. Williams' runs and count how many he actually passes the line of scrimmage??? It isn't very often. And as has been indicated, Foster has looked much better in camp. I wasn't jumping with joy after this game but after watching it twice, I feel pretty good about the upcoming season.

Posted by: jason | Aug 27, 2007 10:09:34 AM

Pound for pound, Smitty may be the best player in football. I love watching this guy play and I love the Panthers. However, I gotta agree a little with the guy making the comments about the Bobcats: They play hard every minute of every game! If Fox could motivate the Panthers that way, the playoffs would be no question and the super bowl would be a good possibility. Go (both) Cats!

Posted by: jrj | Aug 27, 2007 12:35:56 PM

panthers will be okay this year, and easy 10 and 6 record mabye 11 and 5. Jake or Carr can make this happen, preseason is a chance to try different people at positions they normally dont hold down, last year proved we need to save starters for the regular season and not just to go 4 and 0 in preseason. eric shelton is a waste sign alex haynes. nick on kick offs are just to have three options, ryne robinson will be a receiver for us in two years just like steve smith. safety position okay lots of different talent with harris hits hard and no slower than old man mike minter(awsome), line backer good but could use the experience of trotter with morgan sounds good to me. see you in the trenches. bt panther fan

Posted by: BT | Aug 28, 2007 11:01:29 PM

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