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September 30, 2007

Jenkins blasts Panthers, calls effort garbage

In perhaps the most emotional locker room outburst in franchise history, Kris Jenkins ripped his teammates. Jenkins wasn’t asked a question to start the outburst and he wouldn’t take questions at the end. But here’s the entire text of what he had to say in between:

You all ready (clears throat)? All right, I’m going to be honest. I think the players owe the fans an apology. I would be as upset as they are if I had to sit in the stands for four hours and look at that garbage. I’m going to be honest with you. That’s what it was, garbage.

I apologize to you Pat because I didn’t put everything out as far as the issue (in an Observer story last week, where Jenkins challenged his teammates to handle prosperity better). This is our issue as a team. As a team collectively, we have no heart. We have no energy. We have no drive. Football is about pride and passion. I’m going to repeat that again. Football is about pride and passion. The pride and the passion that you have for this game makes you want to win. It’s not about the money. It’s not about looking the part. It’s not about standing on the field so everybody can see you on TV and that you look good. It’s about pride and heart. If you have those two, if you win or lose, you’re going to look like a football team.

That’s why we have issues with prosperity. That’s why we have issues when things look good. That’s why we can’t get enough together to look and act like a football team. This is not a 9-to-5 job. This is a game. It is a street fight. It is a gladiator sport and I apologize that sometimes I don’t look the part for what people want me to be. I’m not the weight that everybody wants me to be. But when I step on that field, what you are going to see is pride and heart because I value this game. I love it and that is what is frustrating me. We don’t have that.

We went out there and I felt embarrassed. I walked out the little line or whatever you come through to go play and I walked out and basically, in certain way, I challenged their team. And I challenged my team, because when you step out there like that and you do something like that, you better back it up and we didn’t. We got broke off. We really got broke off and I’m embarrassed to say so.

Right now, my heart hurts. It really does. It’s hard to sit there week after week and go through this. This is what’s not being addressed. Week in and week out, we might say this and we might say that or we need to change this. It’s not that you can’t pay for pride and heart. It might good when you look at the stats or when you look at someone’s 40 time or you look at everything else. But it doesn’t matter how many skills you have. It doesn’t matter how good you look when you catch a pass or when you run the ball or when you tackle somebody or cover somebody.

It’s not going to matter if you don’t have those two things, because this is the NFL. It is the National Football League. It is a professional sport and you have people out here, such as myself, who love this game enough that they’re going to put it all out on the field.

Tampa Bay came and they did that and they royally broke their foot off in our butt. I have nothing else to say. I’m upset about this, but I wanted to say that.

Posted by Observer Sports on September 30, 2007 at 05:43 PM | Permalink

Comments

Wow. That sums it up for me. At least some of them have pride.

Posted by: JT | Sep 30, 2007 5:50:03 PM

Thank you Jenkins for speaking out and for caring. It's obvious to us fans that the team lacks one fundamental element more than any other, heart.

The politcal question dodging in press conferences is old hat, we appreciate hearing from a player that the team sees and feels the same way as the fans.

Thank you for your honesty and candor, it's a welcome change. Hopefully your fellow Panthers will answer the rally call and pull this "team" out of it's funk and play like we all know they can.

Posted by: John Watson | Sep 30, 2007 5:53:09 PM

God bless Kris Jenkins. That was a beautifully epic rant.

Posted by: Ryan Martin | Sep 30, 2007 5:54:11 PM

Can someone give Kris Jenkins that "C" emblem? He's the only one who seems to vocalize what is obvious to all who see and hear the games.

Now watch the Panthers cut him in the offseason.

Posted by: Matt | Sep 30, 2007 5:57:37 PM

I would hope that Jon Fox would be asked about these comments in tomorrow's press confrence.

Posted by: Scott | Sep 30, 2007 5:58:31 PM

It wasn't 34-3, but it was a dominating 20-7. Well, it was fun posting on your team's site. I am sure your team will bounce back. You have a good coach and some good players. However, other than Jenkins, who played lights out today, your defensive line needs help. Peppers was a no show again.

Good luck with the rest of your season. Well, not really. Go Bucs!!

Posted by: Tom | Sep 30, 2007 6:06:24 PM

Hey, no wonder Marty has problems with Kris Jenkins. Kris Jenkins is a man -- not a perfect one by any stretch -- and he does not duck and dodge or offer cryptic homilies.

There is no doubt that he is the only guy on the defense who has given consistent, sell-out effort this season.

Kris called it BEFORE this game, he BROUGHT it this game, and he was basically ALONE this game. I really, really thought that with Jake out the rest of the team would up their game. Instead, the exact opposite happened. Tells you how import Jake's fire it to this team.

Don't know what more there is to say. Either this franchise decides it needs to start fighting for its very life or it is lights out this year.

Absent that, I amend my projection down to 4-12 for the year.

Posted by: JAT | Sep 30, 2007 6:06:58 PM

Start with firing the defensive coordinator for not getting the defense ready. I don't care if he is your buddy. He can't do the job. Then fire the special teams coach for really sucking. And if that doesn't do it, fire Fox for just thinking that they are close if you change this or that. He doesn't get the team ready to play week in and week out and ANY coach who doesn't do that should go back to where they came from. I would get fired for performance like this.

Posted by: altdude | Sep 30, 2007 6:12:55 PM

Please ask John Fox about these comments tomorrow and don't let him beat around the bush. Thank you Kris Jenkins for showing some heart. Why is it that I only need one hand to count the amount of players that show heart on this team? What is wrong with Peppers? If he is sick then why not let somebody know instead of giving a half-asses effort on the field. We can put somebody healthy on the field at least. He is not the only problem. I just don't understand what has happened to the talent on the squad. Have the players lost confidence in the coaching? Turdo is the worst DC.

Posted by: DS | Sep 30, 2007 6:12:59 PM

You can tell that Kris Jenkins really doesn't want to continue this weekly ritual of poorus football bullshit. I feel for Steve Smith as well because you could tell he wanted more touches even though he dropped a couple earlier in the game. We don't show heart or fire, and we gave up when we brought out the punt unit in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes left.

Posted by: Murk N | Sep 30, 2007 6:13:36 PM

I second that I hope that Fox is absolutely grilled over the Jenkins comments and this game and this team's "heart" tomorrow.

I'm counting on you Observer reporters! BRING IT!

Posted by: Johnny | Sep 30, 2007 6:18:28 PM

I sat thru 3 hours of commercials today on the pa system. I am so sick of this HOME environment. I would rather be at home watching the game on tv. I will make a point of not supporting any of the sponsors that the panthers endorse. This HOME environment is a joke. We don't win at home because it is such a easy environment for the visiting team.

Posted by: pslholder | Sep 30, 2007 6:20:35 PM

IT IS WHAT IT IS

Posted by: kevin | Sep 30, 2007 6:21:10 PM

That does it. I'm throwing away my 90 jersey and buying a 77 right now.

Panther fans, show your support for Jenks by wearing 77 to the next game!

Posted by: Martin J | Sep 30, 2007 6:21:50 PM

Peppers is sick, DS. He has a heart problem: he doesn't--and never has--loved the game or playing it. As suck, he gets taken out of the game on a near weekly basis at this point, yet remains Smilin' Julius with those huge donkey lips. Glad to see Jenkins fired up.
Fact of the matter is that this is still potentially a playoff team. NO has fallen off this year, ATL is garbage, and TB isn't THAT good (if Jake is in and we have any SEMBLANCE of offense, that's a competitive game, I guarantee it! Our run game was getting the job done at over 4 YPC, but Carr had one of the worst performances I've ever seen by a quarterback on ANY level.) I've honestly been happy with the offense as long as Jake is in there, but the defense needs to start playing with some FIRE, Morgan or not. Until that happens, no amount of points the offense puts up will make a difference.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Sep 30, 2007 6:24:06 PM

Someone please explain why Nick Goins is returning kicks?? No "break away" speed, just lower your head and get it to the 20. It would be a lot easier just keeping it in the end zone (and less likely to fumble. Also, how many games does Dan Morgan have to sit out before there is a decision to bring in someone else that can help at the linebacker spot. I won a bet today...I knew Dan wouldn't make it 5 games before he got injured. He's probably a great guy, but enough is enough. This is, after all, a business as well as a game.

Posted by: bw | Sep 30, 2007 6:24:39 PM

Hey, Pantherfan, I did a little research on Ricky Bobby after you kept referring to him in you post, and your right I can't count past one, as in one loss. I did learn the number three today, as in 3-1. That would be the Bucs, can you say 2-2? All fun aside, and as much as I would love to serve up a little... well who a we kidding... a lot of crow, if the tables were turned my day would be ruined too.

Posted by: Doofus Dan | Sep 30, 2007 6:25:25 PM

Hey, Pantherfan, in case you were wondering, I am still an idiot.

Posted by: Doofus Dan is an Idiot | Sep 30, 2007 6:29:51 PM

Congratulations on giving Carr a job. He is a LOSER, but only time will tell. (He is, however, a fine person).

Disgusted Texan fan from Houston: rotsa ruck!

Posted by: Dumbnang | Sep 30, 2007 6:30:44 PM

I'm going to once again state this...but I'm begging!

PLEASE DRILL FOX ABOUT THIS TOMORROW! Don't let him dance around this. He needs to be fired and the more he dances around the questions the the more everyone will see him as the fraud that he is.

Posted by: Janitor Dan | Sep 30, 2007 6:34:43 PM

Maybe Jenkins' outburst is what this team needs to wake up...

or maybe it'll just land him on another team after this year... :(

Posted by: Mav | Sep 30, 2007 6:35:17 PM

Rumor has it that the game was going to be canceled because the Panthers were worried about a mysterious white powder on the field that they have never seen. Turns out that the powder was actually the goal line!

Go Bucs!!

Posted by: Tom the Bucs Fan | Sep 30, 2007 6:38:56 PM

QUESTION THE HELL OUT OF JOHN FOX ABOUT KRIS' COMMENTS! DON'T HOLD ANYTHING BACK. THE FANS NEED ANSWERS!

Posted by: Max | Sep 30, 2007 6:42:46 PM

Can we say IT WAS WHAT IT WAS?

Posted by: Adam | Sep 30, 2007 6:43:12 PM

Hey guys, I'm going to sleep well tonight how about you Panzie fans? LOOOOSSSSEEERRS

Posted by: Doofus Dan | Sep 30, 2007 6:44:19 PM

Thank you for speaking up Kris. I used to wonder about your heart and attitude/effort, but apparently I was wrong. I am glad to know that someone on this team cares other than Steve and Delhomme, and I hope that others feel the same way, but have jost chosen not to be vocal about it. Go Panthers!

Posted by: GJ | Sep 30, 2007 6:45:16 PM

Hire Jenkins as Defensive Coordinator? He hit the nail on the head!

Posted by: Purr Durham | Sep 30, 2007 6:45:21 PM

Geez people.. If you truely know football then you should know that Carr did not lose this game, the whole team lost and add the coaching staff to that.. Any moron could see that..Neither Manning, nor Brady could have single handedly won that game...Takes a whole team, that's why they are there.. No offensive line + no defense = LOSS

Posted by: still a fan !! | Sep 30, 2007 6:46:28 PM

Carr: Net yards per pass play 3.1 = LOSER

Thank goodness for Matt Schaub

Best regards,

Texan Fan

(Kubi-ache is a joke without Elway)

Posted by: Stats Man | Sep 30, 2007 6:46:44 PM

I agree. I am so sick of the commercials during the panther games. I also would not support any of the products. We are there to see a game on the field, replays on the screen. But we get a team that plays with no heart and a PA announcer and screen that constantly advertises a product. Sometimes the PA is advertising things while the plays is going on. The fans are tired of "show me the chickhen" and CPI security, and a host of others. GIVE US INSTANT REPLAYS instead. Let us enjoy the game!

Posted by: Robert B | Sep 30, 2007 6:47:42 PM

I'm tired of watching the Panthers play to get paid. Jenkins is right, there is no passion, no pride ESPECIALLY when you CONTINUOUSLY GET YOUR ASS KICKED IN YOUR OWN HOUSE!!!

Posted by: richie poor | Sep 30, 2007 6:49:13 PM

Thank you for speaking up Kris. I used to wonder about your heart and attitude/effort, but apparently I was wrong. I am glad to know that someone on this team cares other than Steve and Delhomme, and I hope that others feel the same way, but have just chosen not to be vocal about it. Go Panthers!

Posted by: GJ | Sep 30, 2007 6:49:36 PM

kRIS GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU CARE AND I BELIEVE THAT JERRY RICHARDSON HAVE TO MAKE MARTY HURNEY EVEN JOHN FOX FILL THAT THIS IS THIER CAREER THAT 'S ON THE LINE ,I KINDA
HATE TO SAY THIS BUT I BELIVE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO THREATEN MARTY HURNEY TO MAKE SOME MOVES I MEAN DEFENSLY WE DECLINE SINCE WEEK ONE AND I LOVE STEVE SMITH BUT HE'S HUMAN GIVING HIM SOME HELP AND PLAYMAKERS HELP THIS WHAT I BELIVE THE PANTHERS SHOULD DO,TRADE A 2ROUND PICK KEARY COLBERT DANTE WESLY,JEFF KING AND NATE SALLY TO THE SAD RAMS FOR Torry Holt AND Randy McMichael THEN GIVE UP A 4 ROUND PICK AND DREW CARTER TO GET NEW ENGLAND USELESS SO FAR Donte' Stallworth AND LAST BUT LEAT TRADE 2 SAFETY NOT CHRIS HARRIS FOR VIKING SAFETY Darren Sharper WHO IS GET ALITTLE OLD NOW WITH THE TRADE WE MAKE WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY FOR THE CAP TO MAKE THSE MOVE SO IF KRIS WANT PLAYERS WHO HAVE THE HEART FOR THE GAME AND STEVE SMITH WANT MORE HELP I THINK WE FOUND THE ANSWER NOW MAKING MARTY HURNEY BE LIKE SUPER BOWL WINNING MANGER /PRESIDENT JERRY JONES AND MAKE THE MOVE IS ALL THAT IS LEFT TO DO OH YEAH AND THE COWBOYS STILL UNDEFEATED LET GO PANTHERS!

Posted by: panther hopeful | Sep 30, 2007 6:51:14 PM

Hi, my name is Dan. I am a doofus. For those of you who are wondering, the Tampa Bay fans on my own blogs have kicked me out for being stupid.

Will you be my friend?

Love,

Doofus Dan

Posted by: Doofus Dan Removes All Doubt | Sep 30, 2007 6:52:40 PM

And they were trying to trade this guy in the offseason? Really?

If the fact that we have major deficiencies in the player personnel department weren't obvious before, they should be now.

Posted by: Circle Breaker | Sep 30, 2007 6:52:52 PM

The sad thing about this brutally honest diatribe is that it comes from a player most in the organization can dismiss as a lame duck with an ax to grind. But the fact is it's true. The panthers have no heart, identity, and pride. The Fox/Hurney braintrust has been too aloof with overweening pride to admit it to themselves. Fox has a minor chance in saving the season but is much more likely now to lose the team entirely because no one besides Jenkins and Smith step up and act like men. Fox needs to start firing coaches and stop clapping like a toy monkey at everything his players do. Somebody needs to challenge their manhood at least once in a while. And if it's not him, Big Cat should find someone else who will.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 30, 2007 6:54:10 PM

Maybe we can get the guys from the CPI Security commercial to join Jenkins on the D-Line.

Posted by: JB | Sep 30, 2007 6:54:46 PM

Thank you Kris Jenkins. That was the most on-point emotional rant that I have ever heard. If you watch the Panthers play football, I mean if you really watch them play- you will notice that only four veteran players play with great passion consistently. Those four would be Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, Dan Morgan, and, appropriately, Kris Jenkins. Today was a result of two of those guys not playing and no other veterans filling for their absences. We have the talent to win a super bowl- no joke, but I'm not sure if we have the heart. If you look at our super bowl year, we had all four of those "passion" players to go along with others like Mark Fields, Will Witherspoon, and Mike Minter. If we get some other players to play passionately, we could finish with 11 or so wins. If not, we could finish with 5 or 6. Thank you Kris Jenkins for being bold and honest and for playing your heart out week in and week out. Props to the young Jon Beason aswell, who was the only other Carolina defender playing with fire.

Posted by: Charles | Sep 30, 2007 6:59:41 PM

Congratulations to Kris Jenkins for being a man and saying what needs to be said in PUBLIC. This was the most embarassing Panther performance I have EVER seen...and I saw many of the games during the 1-15 season! It is plainly obvious that few of the players have the desire and heart of Mr. Jenkins.

I also have to agree that the experience at the stadium is pathetic....how many commercials do you have to JAM into a football game? There is NOTHING done to pump the fans up or the team. It is one pathetic Harris Teeter or Bojangles commercial after another. Don't blame the fans...the product is lacking...from the players and coaches to the management and those in charge of the stadium experience.

I am completely disgusted and disillusioned about this Panther team. I think Jenkins, Smitty and Jake have fire and care. It seems like many of the others are just picking up a (rather large) paycheck every week.

Do something about this, Mr. Richardson. Quit being so quiet. THe fans deserve more than the sorry product on display today.

Posted by: Terry | Sep 30, 2007 6:59:51 PM

Thanks, Kris...This is the one thing during our successful times that we could always count on: heart. You know, when the team went down 14-0, all I could think about was how the Texans responded two weeks ago, and how I knew this team wouldn't. I still fly the Panther colors in VA, but tell me what we can do to ask that more than a few players actually give an effort on Sunday?

BTW, the play calling doesn't seem to get better either does it?

Posted by: DMW | Sep 30, 2007 7:00:05 PM

This is just a hunch, but I think John Fox will be coaching the Giants next year. It would take a miracle turnaround to save things in Charlotte.

Posted by: Dave | Sep 30, 2007 7:01:16 PM

Those Panthers sure are a winning organization, alright.

You see what happens when you play anything other than a winless team.

2-14.

And, by the way...

Just more proof you redneck know jack and squat about football, seeing as how some of you really did believe Carr, or Weinke, was a better QB than Delhomme.

Delhomme may suck, but those guys don't even belong in the league.

Silly brainwashed rednecks. Enjoy yet another disappointing, losing season of Panther football.

Posted by: Will | Sep 30, 2007 7:01:28 PM

Our home field advantage is a joke. All we get is sales pitch after sales pitch. Mr Richardson how much would we have to pay for our season tickets to have no stupid commercials and contests. We need a football environment not a church environment.

I am considering selling my psl's and staying home and watching directv. It is more exciting.

Posted by: adam | Sep 30, 2007 7:01:30 PM

I think on the winning team should get paid, then you'd see who REALLY has heart.

Kris - you da man.

Posted by: DJMarty | Sep 30, 2007 7:02:47 PM

"when it's time to change, you got to rearrange, who you are into what your're going to be...shannanna,etc" Guys show us some heart...or make some changes.

Posted by: Peter Brady | Sep 30, 2007 7:03:35 PM

Way to go Jenkins I agree 100%. That's what Ive been saying for about a year now. Can sum up the team from Coaching Staff down in two words.

NO HUSTLE

PS: I consider it a insult when players on the field motion for noise and it's the 3rd quarter and you have not been across mid field but one time and that was allway to the 46 (whoopiiiiiiii)

Also when you sit on the bench and laugh about the poor play you need to be CUT IMMEDIATELY and if the staff can't do anything about that they need to be CUT ALSO.

Posted by: Shoz | Sep 30, 2007 7:04:36 PM

Damn Jenkins,
That was beautiful. Fire up your fellow players on offense, defense, and even the coaching staff; someone has to do it, so thanks for taking the lead. The Panthers have some serious problems in all three aspects of the game (Offense-Defense-Special Teams). It's like the organization is lifeless. The players have no heart, and nothing seems to go smoothly. The team starts out slow, and then they pick up the pace after its too late, or they start off fast and then falter later on in the game; this behavior is unacceptable. I just hope we are not really this bad, because if we are, then the whole team will have to be restructured in the offseason. I'm sure the restructuring process will begin with the coaching staff, the coaches are ultimately responsible for the team. Maybe the Panthers can regroup after this humiliating loss and make something out of the rest of the season, but I doubt they will. Just think, the Panther organization wanted to boot Jenkins before the season, and now he proves to be the only guy on the team with heart. Keep up the good work Kris Jenkins, for the rest of the team, get your butt off your shoulders and play like men. Also, I pray that Jake's elbow gets better quickly, but if it doesn't then the Panthers will find themselves in serious trouble; David Carr couldnt run an offense if his life depended on it.
GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER PANTHERS, AND LETS WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BRJ | Sep 30, 2007 7:05:49 PM

And an honorable mention goes out to Carr, for his jumping first down, and celebrating afterwards as if he won the Superbowl...even though, truth be told, getting a first down with these Panthers is the equivalent of the Superbowl for any other real team.

Posted by: Will | Sep 30, 2007 7:06:44 PM

Don't sell your PSLs!

Don't you think it's perfectly reasonable to pay a fee for the privilege of buying season tickets to watch this winning organization?

Posted by: Will | Sep 30, 2007 7:07:56 PM

Now taking bets on the form of discipline Jenkins is going to get for his "disloyalty": fine, suspension, trade, or cut.

Posted by: jdb1972 | Sep 30, 2007 7:08:06 PM

If only Fox could be so honest. I am so tired of the softball questions given to Fox after these games.

Instead of saying, Aren't you embarassed?

At least Chris has the balls to tell the truth.

Posted by: pantherfan20 | Sep 30, 2007 7:10:39 PM

Jenkins is right. Fox keeps talking about how they need to look at the film and work harder...they have no heart. I love the Panthers...but they are an average team at best. Think back to the year they went to the Superbowl...they had so much heart and passion- that is what helped them to win game after game- right at the wire. Thanks Jenkins- you were then and you still are one of the major keys to winning.

Posted by: Lukedog | Sep 30, 2007 7:11:18 PM

Its obvious that Will needs some attention, after all, its been a while since the Bucs beat the Panthers... what is it Will, the Bucs have won 2 out of the last 9? Call my when you win 7 more, moron.

Posted by: Will and his palm, Rosy | Sep 30, 2007 7:11:57 PM

Why did we cut Ty Biddle when he was the only receiver who could catch the ball. Why did we wait until the last drive to change kickoff returners? Nick Goings cost us one touchdown already this year. He has no speed. All he does is run to the 20 and bow his head for the hit. I heard he got a concussion. I suppose this is why Williams returned the last one. Williams returned it to the 35, our best starting point of the day. A little to late you great coaching staff.

Posted by: ticket holder | Sep 30, 2007 7:12:16 PM

Hey Foxy, thanks for the new TV from Queen City!

Posted by: johnbee | Sep 30, 2007 7:12:27 PM

The only way to save this team and the season is to fire John Fox now.

Posted by: Bill Szymonski | Sep 30, 2007 7:12:43 PM

Sorry Kris for spelling it Chris.

Posted by: Pantherfan20 | Sep 30, 2007 7:13:12 PM

Although Smitty has had some lapses in concentration, it seems he and Jenks are about the only guys that have heart. The coaching staff sure doesn't...punt on 4 an 1 with 6 min remaining in 4qtr losing by 2 scores against HOU. Last time I checked, a loss is a loss, doesn't matter by how much.

Agree with ealier comment the coahing minds will cut Jenks in the offseason.

Posted by: Jim | Sep 30, 2007 7:16:14 PM

For the past few weeks, I have seen Jenkins bust his butt on the field playing at 110%. The team wanted to trade him, people said that he was over weight, people said that he has lost a step because of injuries. I see a man playing football as if this was is last season and he was going to retire after the 16th game. I do not know if this is a contract year for him or what. But, I see a football player, playing with emotion, drive and pride. He is the Steve Smith on defense.

But, my hat does go off to the entire denfense on the goal line stand !!! That was great. That is what the fans expect from this team.

I know that this was Carr first game and the timing and understanding of the offense is still new, but he does need some help.

Posted by: Animal187 | Sep 30, 2007 7:16:47 PM

Kris is right. Just before the end of the game, I saw either Colbert or Carter laughing.
To me, when you are getting the dog stuffing beat out of you, you don't laugh. They apparently do not care whether they win or lose. Just as they apparently don't care if they do or do not catch a pass. I guess that they are just happy to be in the NFL and making money.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 30, 2007 7:17:32 PM

Stand UP and be men! Ain't nobody coming to help you. Listen to Kris. Play like you're proud and like you care. Play with passion. Carr didn't lose this game, there is plenty of blame to go around. And FGS, Richardson, enough already with the $$$ commercials during the game! Fans are sick of it. Whose crappy idea was that? Fire 'em.

Posted by: djncmom | Sep 30, 2007 7:28:42 PM

Kris Jenkins just said what needed to be said. I have a whole new level of respect for Jenks and thankfully we are only 2-2; who knows this could be punch in the face this team needs. If this doesn't get turned around quick, we're in BIG trouble! Special Teams is God awful!

Posted by: ScottG | Sep 30, 2007 7:32:11 PM

This is an incredible statement from an incredible player. Jenkins did show up today. I thought he played well (missed that one tackle in the backfield, but ... oh well ... HE WAS IN THE BACKFIELD, right Julius?)

I do think there is a problem with the coaching staff. I cant understand how a very good defensive-minded head coach, John Fox, would allow his defense to become below mediocre and incredibly cautious.

Yes, things improved in the 2nd half for the defense, but Tampa Bay definitely notched things down. They knew they had the Panthers by the throat, and unlike Panthers vs. Texans, Tampa kept the pressure on, at least at half throttle.

Until another team FEARS the Panther defense, which used to be the case, this team will be mediocre. When quarterbacks have a lot of time to pass with little pressure, you get wide open receivers and zero turnovers. That is exactly what we are seeing today.

Posted by: D Reed | Sep 30, 2007 7:33:01 PM

Two sacks all year? The Bucs had three in this game alone. If you can't get to the QB and disrupt his timing, you will not win many games in this league. It is not just Peppers, it is the whole team!!!

Posted by: Panther Fan | Sep 30, 2007 7:37:35 PM

It was bad enough as a psl owner to have to see such a lousy performance...But, I think it's even worse to have to sit through seeing and listening to a stupid advertisement on each and every down!!! I have been to other games in other stadiums and have never seen so much advertising in my life! Instead of an attempt to ramp up the crowd with some visuals and music...All you get are dumb Bojangles or Harris Teeter show your stupid VIC card spots...Or if and when a Panther makes a great play, we're forced to watch Sir Purr getting his car washed at Auto Bell...WTF is that??? You wonder why some people just sit there...Not only are we watching heartless home team football...But, we are forced to watch commercial after commercial with no mute button...It's like freaking torture...

Posted by: frankieT | Sep 30, 2007 7:37:55 PM

Is Dan Henning still calling the plays from his uptown condo? Does the offensive cordinator understand that Steve Smith plays for the Panthers, the Carolina Panthers, not the hockey team? It is about time someone on this team rips its own players, if all the players played with the level that Smith, Jenkins and a few others do day in and day out, they might win a home game this year. It is time to get rid of the model citizen player that has done all the good deeds Mr. Richardson has asked them to do. I am sure Mrl Richardson is tired of seeing his stadium empty by the end of the 3rd quarter. Maybe he ought to get of of his high horse and come on the local sports talk shows and promote his team instead being MIA. If it stays this way, we all be getting a Bo To Go and watch it at home. I hope Jenkins isn't put on the IR tomorrow for telling the truth!

Posted by: wow | Sep 30, 2007 7:40:04 PM

John Fox should have been fired on the sideline when he ordered a punt 20 points down with six minutes left in the game. Is he afraid he might lose 27 - 0? Absolutely unforgiveable. Also, anyone who has complained about Jake being our quarterback is an absolute dumba$$.

Posted by: Beau | Sep 30, 2007 7:47:41 PM

I waited to post for a few hours to let this loss sink in. I told my wife toward the end of the game that I would be ok with the loss but I did not see any urgency, no fire, no passion from the team as a whole, and that lack of heart made me sick. I waited to watch highlights and even the Eagles and Giants play for awhile. By the way, I hate both of these teams. But it is more enjoyable to watch them play with fire and passion than to watch MY OWN team play with so little heart. Then to read Jenkin's comments made me understand so many things about this organization. It is all about cashing in: from all the commercials, to the lame entertainment at the games(not willing to pay for decent entertainment), to the coaches and most of the players just collecting a paycheck.

I kept asking myself is TB that good, are we that bad, what is wrong with this team. I suspected it but could never believe this team could walk on the field and just go thru the motions. Thanks to Kris Jenkins for letting me, a fan, have a rare look into the team's mental state. Also, thanks for being man enough to stand up and call out the team and the coaches and organization! Good luck to you the rest of this year and the rest of your career. I am sure it will be with another team because this team does not know how to judge talent when it is right in front of their faces.

All the tests conducted prior to drafting someone might measure everything from their 40 to the size of their feet, but a good staff knows all that doesn't mean crap when players don't have HEART, the one thing all your tests can not tell you.

Shame on me for wasting hours of my life away from my kids to watch a lifeless, heartless, effortless team!

Posted by: Brian | Sep 30, 2007 7:48:07 PM

I have to admit, the zone blocking scheme does show signs of hope. Also, I believe Richard Marshall,Chris Harris, and Beason have heart as well; you can see it in their level of play.

I'll be Keyshawn is laughing his ass off right about now...

Posted by: jb | Sep 30, 2007 7:49:17 PM

Thank you, Kris Jenkins, for telling it like it is. It seems most of the team is totally unmotivated except for a few, Mr. Jenkins included in those few.

We climbed up to our seats in the second-to-last row of the stadium, only to be subject to contstant commercials, poor play on the field that we could barely see up there, and oh, yes, pretty much no instant replay that, once again, we could barely see. And yes, we stuck it out until the bitter end in the hope Panthers would actually score.

Punting on the 4th and 18 was simply gutless. What was there to lose at that point by going for it? Where is the fire that once was?

I don't know if we will attend any more games. Worse yet, this was the only game we could get when single game tickets went onsale this year. We'll just put the money towards a new TV and change the channel during commercials or when things get this bad.

Posted by: JW | Sep 30, 2007 7:52:09 PM

Why the HELL were they playing Sweet Home Alabama and Devil With a Blue Dress during the timeouts?

Great choice of songs...real motivation there when your down by 17.

Posted by: why? | Sep 30, 2007 7:55:34 PM

If you aren't making the brainwashed rednecks happy by winning, you make them happy by playing redneck songs.

Duh!

Posted by: Will | Sep 30, 2007 7:58:19 PM

What a waste of my time today--Jenkins--you are so right--shame on the players and on the coaches--you were all an embarrassment!!!

KEEP TALKING KRIS!!

Posted by: Bee | Sep 30, 2007 8:01:06 PM

Kudos to Kris Jenkins! This "team" is an simply an utter embarrassment. It's obvious that wholesale changes in personnel must be made. Clearly, there's a cancer eating away at the heart of this "team"... APATHY! Sadly, the result is the embarrassing lack of effort and lack of pride demonstrated on the field today. (Personally, I believe that #19 infected the Cats with this poisonous attitude last season, and it has unfortunately lingered into this season.) No amount of "cheerleading" by the coaching staff will make any difference to players who have no heart & no pride.
Drastic times call for drastic measures. The time has come to surgically remove the cancer. The staff must either sit down, trade, or release those players who are simply showing up to collect their weekly paycheck. If that means getting rid of some big name players on this club, then so be it. Allow younger players who still have the fire in their belly to have an opportunity to show some measure of pride & passion! It would be better to suffer through the pain of undergoing this much needed surgery now than to allow this cancer to continue eating away at the heart of this ball club any longer. What good does it do to for this club to pay millions of dollars to players that don't give a damn whether they win or lose?

Posted by: Humiliated Cats Fan | Sep 30, 2007 8:01:26 PM

I was planning a trip to go to Charlotte for one of the home games with a few buddies and our sons. After watching this garbage today, I wouldn't waste a single penny of "my hard-EARNED money" watching these clowns put out that kind of performance. To hell with all of them except Jenks, Smitty, Jake, Harris, Morgan and Beason.

Posted by: SCPanthers | Sep 30, 2007 8:07:04 PM

LOL I'm a die hard Panther fan, but from what I have seen of the team and even down to tge stadium environment we are so far from being a winning team its almost laughable. Why do you blame the platers for playing fro money??? You hear the commercials 24-7 during the games right:P It is a business after all. Unfortunately we have issues in the front office, coaching staff, and talent/heart of this team!! One player and one coach is't going to changes the way things are going....It appears our fundamentals need to be reworked. How do we go about doing that???

Posted by: Local | Sep 30, 2007 8:07:28 PM

No one in any job anywhere in the world is successful at what they do UNLESS they love it. When you love what you do, you exert passion in learning/toning/strengthening your craft to be as good or better at it than others. It's like that individually, and when enough people share this passion - as a team. I've said it for a few years now, when we lose (and even sometimes when we win), we lack 'the love.' And it starts at the top, and flows down.

Posted by: smashad | Sep 30, 2007 8:13:21 PM

You're right, Will. Just like they play crunkalicious Dirty South jamz to soothe the three or four thousand negroes at Unnamed Downtown Arena.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Sep 30, 2007 8:15:22 PM

Carr was't a leader for the Texans, and he won't be for the Panthers. For 5 years, he continuously disappointed the fans and lost the respect of his teammates. His won-loss record was the worst in the league for the number of games he started.

His stats in the game today are very similar to those he repeatedly posted for the Texans.

He seems more concerned about his hairstyle and his cute gloves than winning games.

Sorry he's yours now.

Posted by: Bej | Sep 30, 2007 8:22:47 PM

This is not a team I am proud of. I admire some individual players on the team, but as a whole, what an apathetic, heartless, complacent bunch they are. We have been sorry on special teams since Scott OBrien left, and have grown weak on defense since Jack Del Rio departed. Remember Sam Mills? Talk about heart. To top it off, now fans at the stadium are getting Shinned by Richardson et al...with every opportunity they use the stadium screen to air commercials rather than replays. Like they need the extra income. Kris, while you're at it, how about a new play list for the stadium music?

Posted by: djncmom | Sep 30, 2007 8:23:10 PM

Yes, they played AWFUL today!!! No real catches. No real rushing yards. They didn't have the passion that a great football team should have!! But the peak of the play was when Carr did a dive to avoid two Bucs.... But dang it!!! We didn't even get a touch down from that... If we would've won this game, Carr would've been on every Sports Channel for that move he made!!

Even though they didn't do well today, I'm still supporting them regardless. I love the Panthers and maybe this is a wake up call for them to really work at it!!! Getting more points on the score board during the 1st and 2nd quarter... Maybe by four touchdowns?!?

We got to beat the Saints next week!!!!

Posted by: Blia | Sep 30, 2007 8:30:59 PM

Richardsons,
You need to give the Panther fans a reward for sticking with this sucky organization. Nothing goes right for the Panthers; the defense sucks!! The offense sucks!! The special teams suck!! The coaches suck!! This is the most piss poor team I think the Panthers have ever put together. We had more heart in the season that we went 1-15. This team is a bunch of lifeless zombies collecting a big paycheck. Have a little respect for the fans and try to at least act like you want to be out their on the football field. Two players seem to wont to play football this year on the Panthers team: Jenkins and Smith. The rest of the players dont even deserve to dress. And for the coaches, well I dont think it would be appropriate for me to write what I truely think about them on this blog; my language could get a little harsh. Back to my gift idea the team ownership owes Panther fans; On the next home game, Jerry Richardson should provide free beer for the fans, NOW THAT WOULD BE GOOD COSTUMER SERVICE!!!!!
EVERYBODY THAT AGREES, SAY SO ON YOUR COMMENTS.

Posted by: Who are the Panthers | Sep 30, 2007 8:37:50 PM

I was shocked that Keary Colbert was laughing and smiling after he made that catch in the 4th quarter. Also when they showed JP doing the same thing late in the game when he was on the field and when he was on the sidelines. There was not one thing ANY Panther supporter could find to smile about today. That was the most lackluster performance I have seen from a professional sports team. Kris couldn't be more right on his comments. I haven't missed a game since the team's inception. Not sure if I can waste my Sunday again on the horrible product we are today. Flat out embarrassing!!!!

Posted by: David I | Sep 30, 2007 8:38:50 PM

Bucs fan here. No gloating..
Kris Jenkins put it out there, and I hope J Fox is forced to answer questions about the truth Jenkins spoke. The Panthers were "garbage" all day long.
A few observations, though.
1- Carr is not the reason you lost this game. He didnt play D, he didn't drop passes, and he didn't committ penalties.
2- Your stadium environment is a joke. The Bucs put on one heck of a pregame show, with the cannons going off and the short video before each game. Home field advantage should be just that, an "ADVANTAGE". What you guys have is pathetic. The ads are a sell-out too. All I saw was greed greed greed.
3- To answer the question posed by a couple of you... Yes, the Bucs are that good. The D has returned, in spite of the 2 sack stat coming into the game. We have put pressure on every qb this season, and we have locked teams out of the end zone until it's too late for them to come back and win (ie- prevent defense).
4- It wouldn't have mattered if Delhomme, Carr or anyone else was playing qb. The cats got their butts whipped by a better team. Build a bridge and get over it.
GO BUCS!

Posted by: Kevin | Sep 30, 2007 8:50:11 PM

Being a businessman, I'm sure Mr. Ricardson understand return on investment.
Unfortunatley, I can't afford PSL's, but I do try to attend a couple of games a year, buy their merchandise, and support their TV and radio programs.
With this said, as a Panther fan I am not getting any return on my investment. If they at least played with heart and passion, I could stomach losses and still get an entertainment value for my investment. But this team lacks any desire or drive and simply go through the motions. This comes from the coaching. I have always been a supporter of Fox, but watching him today clapping after Foster fumbled pushed me over the edge.
It's time for some returns on my investment, like passion and desire from the team. Otherwise I'll find something else to invest in.

Posted by: Juan | Sep 30, 2007 8:56:52 PM

Anytime we play a team with a semblance of defense, we get ours handed to us. Our schedule so far has been relatively easy compared to what we will be facing come the middle and the end of the season. If we do not pick up the pace, we will be a 4-6 win team. We have the talent. What a shame.

Posted by: Kelly | Sep 30, 2007 9:01:17 PM

3,000-4,000 fans would rival what Panther fans were left after the 1st quarter today.

OK.

Serious discussion.

Are the Panthers the worst .500 team ever? They barely beat winless teams at the time, and they get STOMPED by any team that won a game.

I think they are the worst 2-2 team ever. What about you?

Posted by: Will | Sep 30, 2007 9:09:56 PM

Well done Kris, that would've taken courage. Hopefully that speech will be enough to get the rest of the team fired up and playing to their potential. I think Carr's great and will be our starter in a few years when Jake's gone, but we really needed a leader out there today.
If the Panthers somehow manage to turn it around and start playing like they should then I'll be happy. If not, then next season I'll be supporting whichever team picks up Kris Jenkins after Richardson cuts him!

Posted by: Ben | Sep 30, 2007 9:14:13 PM

There were people at the game today? I thought I heard a mouse fart somewhere in the 1st quarter. Jenkins' rant should have included "we could have used a pick-me-up from the fans in the stands today."
Even when the Panthers were in the game early, I hardly heard a peep from the stands.. Sad, really.

Posted by: Bucsfan | Sep 30, 2007 9:25:28 PM

If the Defense got paid for effort they should be getting a $5 paycheck for the week. But they get their fat paycheck no matter what effort they give. They laugh all the way to the Bank as the fans that put the paychecks in their pocket are robbed by another embarassing loss at home. The fans should feel robbed by the effort and lack of heart of this team. Does this team care about their fans, the playoffs etc. There are a handful of players that go all out every game and we know who they are. Kris Jenkins thanks for telling the truth!

Posted by: Jessman | Sep 30, 2007 9:27:43 PM

Hmmm.....Do I smell charlotte hornets?

Posted by: doismellhornets | Sep 30, 2007 9:48:18 PM

No, you don't smell the Hornets.

The Hornets left with a better overall regular season record, and they finished .500 or better for a decade straight.

The Panthers, uh, have a record of two straight seasons finish .500 or better :(

You Panther fans sure know a winner when you see one!

Posted by: Will | Sep 30, 2007 9:59:06 PM

Kudos to Kris Jenkins! This "team" is an simply an utter embarrassment. It's obvious that wholesale changes in personnel must be made. Clearly, there's a cancer eating away at the heart of this "team"... APATHY! Sadly, the result is the embarrassing lack of effort and lack of pride demonstrated on the field today. (Personally, I believe that #19 infected the Cats with this poisonous attitude last season, and it has unfortunately lingered into this season.) No amount of "cheerleading" by the coaching staff will make any difference to players who have no heart & no pride.
Drastic times call for drastic measures. The time has come to surgically remove the cancer. The staff must either sit down, trade, or release those players who are simply showing up to collect their weekly paycheck. If that means getting rid of some big name players on this club, then so be it. Allow younger players who still have the fire in their belly to have an opportunity to show some measure of pride & passion! It would be better to suffer through the pain of undergoing this much needed surgery now than to allow this cancer to continue eating away at the heart of this ball club any longer. What good does it do to for this club to pay millions of dollars to players that don't give a damn whether they win or lose?

Posted by: Humiliated Cats Fan | Sep 30, 2007 10:25:40 PM

Sad, sad, SAD.
WTF are Peppers and co. smiling and laughing about in the 4th qtr, they should hide their faces.
Goings as KO returner shows how serious Fox takes this game,I'm 47,I could get to the 20.Use the speed that we can't use in the passing game, if they drop the ball they have a second or 2 to pick it up.
Need to buy ALL receivers(yes you too Smitty) some stickum.
Teach the defense how to tackle to limit yardage, not to add.
Heart and Passion,Heart and Passion,Heart and Passion. Fox has lost the team as well as lost his heart and passion. Time for a change, there's a guy in Raleigh that may fit.

Posted by: hood | Sep 30, 2007 10:45:44 PM

You guys are really buying into this jerk's cr*p?? He wants a phat contract and to be on a different team. That what his rant was really about! and as far as his self-proclaimed accolades about the only one on that team that is trying, I can site too many other examples otherwise... just one though (How many sacks does his potential replacement have and how many does he have)? And Carr did fall apart today, but he had no help. Want effort... what about that seven foot jump over LB's to get the first down?? Frankly, David taught Jake how to be a better QB. Ever since he joined the team, Jake finally started scrambling a bit and putting himself on the line for the team like David does. He also learned how to quit staring down his target so much and to give his check downs a chance to play. Not sure how much of that was David or Davidson, but it's about time! What about King catching those passes in traffic like Walls used to? And, despite the dropped passes, what about Smith having to chase down a batted passes and calling the man in the booth just to get a little action. Furthermore, rolling LB's.... what about decoying Smith to give another all-heart monster Foster the opportunity to rip off some big gains, instead of giving up on him all-together because the team is down two scores. And yes, where is the blitzing alread!?!

Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 30, 2007 10:52:13 PM

I'm waiting for Jake to teach Syrpis some spelling and/or grammar while he's at it.

Posted by: Michael LaRocca | Sep 30, 2007 11:57:31 PM

Cant wait to see how the team responds now. Kris dont need to say nothing else. He said it before the game for fair warning and it held true and he said it again after the game. He should let it go and so what becomes now. The team cant hind it now. Within themselves and playing a 0-3 team coming up. Double whammy. He shall see. And the laughing, the cameras got them all. Bet they didnt think the cameras or someone was watching them. They had to. Crazy, well looks like jobs are beginning to be in questioning. Uh Oh.....got to get it together.I would hate to see us against the likes of Colts which we will have a chance, but the Pats, Packers which they need to see film on their passion they play with. Cardinals whom we paly as well and Cowboys which we play as well too I think. But we would get our heads knocked off. They need to let that defense fly around the field. What happen to that fast uptempo defense they said they had this summer. High character guys. The season is still long, and we still have a chance. Looks like the team is saying F' home, the fans. We play and rally together better on the road. Hey if thats what it takes to get to the Super Bowl then fine, but they'll have to win at least 2 at home this year. I Have Faith. And they need to stop acting like they are better than everyone. By not talking and stressing concerns and acting like nothings wrong or need attending to.So that means not firing Kris. Cause in the past as we know they like to fire people who likes to be vocally expressive. And what the heck happen to Dewayne Garrett. He came in and got 2 passes thrown to him, caught a 8 or 9 yrd pass I think and didnt see him anymore. In this blowout. Let him get some reps and show us what hes got. And then palcing him on the active list late without anyone really being aware of. Nice catch, big reciever, he needs to be out there next week. Heck the whole team needs to be out there next week.Not just be out there..... """HELLO.....YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME""".
Herm got him a win today by it. And his team is in worst shape than ours

Posted by: DPantherFan80 | Oct 1, 2007 12:05:31 AM

This team wants a leader? Hello Kris Jenkins. He's the only one who seems to be willing to say what needs to be said.

Posted by: James | Oct 1, 2007 12:42:25 AM

Unbelievable. No O. The Defense was barely pressuring Garcia. Kris jenkins he came to play. Steve smith eventhough he threw that tirade; he came to play and he was frustrated. throw him the ball. I liked th goal line stop in the 3rd but then again they turned around and stopped us also. So much talent but no heart. First four games of the season we only have two sacks. Awful!!! These are professionals they come to play not come to sit.

Posted by: Carolina Fan | Oct 1, 2007 1:08:31 AM

If Panthers cut Jenkins before the season ends, I'll never pay to go to another Panthers game.

Posted by: heat6 | Oct 1, 2007 1:51:44 AM

If Panthers cut Jenkins before the season ends, I'll never pay to go to another Panthers game.

Posted by: heat6 | Oct 1, 2007 1:53:16 AM

I just wanted to say that I have been a Panthers fan for a long time. Whether they win or lose they are my team!! I understand what Jenkins is saying because I do notice a difference in the way they play as opposed to the way other teams play. It does seem that they just are not putting there heart in it. Sometimes I feel as if I put my heart into it more than some of them do. I am standing in front of my tv on game days screaming my head of rooting for them. My daughter is a Dallas fan and my son is an Atlanta fan and I take all the punches from them and from others and I still defend the Panthers and always will!! That is the heart and pride of a true fan!! Steve Smith is my favorite player, but it is not only because he is an excellent athelete, it is because you can see the pride and heart everytime he plays. He puts everything he has into the game and the team. Not only him, there are others that you can tell have heart and pride, but there are some that you have to wonder about. I don't know about others, but it breaks my heart when I am willing to put everything I have into being a fan and the players won't put everything they have into the game and team. I love the Panthers and will no matter win or lose!!! But guys I agree with Jenkins, Put your heart and your pride into it, have the passion for the game and I don't think you can go wrong!! Win or lose you will know that you gave it everything you had!!! I will be rooting for you!!!! GO PANTHERS!!!!!!!

Posted by: PanthersGal | Oct 1, 2007 2:41:22 AM

Calm down, it is what it is.

Posted by: John Fox | Oct 1, 2007 4:20:29 AM

I have been saying for the longest time, we nneded to be patient with Kris Jenkins. ACL injuries are hard to get through, especially for his size. He's back now and he should be the one that gets the new contract not Julius "I'll play when I want to" Peppers!!! If we could get the coaching staff on the smae page with Kris, maybe we can finish at 9-7 or maybe we just need to lose to get new coaches!

Posted by: Ronnie W. | Oct 1, 2007 4:21:57 AM

The Panthers should not even think about giving Peppers a new contract. He has no heart. This is Marty Hurney having no idea what he is doing. They wanted to trade Jenkins? To me it looks like he is the only player they have that plays hard. Did anyone see how bad our safetys are? Who needs a safety? It is clear what the Bears were thinking with Harris.

Posted by: Steven | Oct 1, 2007 4:27:49 AM

we will see if mr richardson really was looking for players to step up and become TRUE leaders, or if he justed wanted vocal cheerleaders. Mr richardson and fox's actions in how they handle Jenkins will tell all. I hope they love this team enough to listen to Kris and take action

Posted by: jakeniss | Oct 1, 2007 5:07:51 AM

Thanks Kris, it's about time somebody stood up and spoke for the fans, the community, heck for that matter for the two Carolinas. I get the impression that the coaches are the ones who are leading the players into resignation and despair. Even the announcers were yelling at the Panthers for not calling plays for over the middle on their cover-two defense. I'm tired of these games where they just don't even try. It's silly to see players like Colbert smiling with a big grin on his face when he caught the ball for a first down after the game was lost. Why would anyone laugh in a position like that?

It's like Marlin Brando in "On the waterfront" talking about the time his brother Charlie came in before his fight and said "This ain't your night" to let him know he was to throw the fight. There is no desire to win and we can all see it. You can see it in their faces as well as their play. It's very subtle, being slightly out of place - just missing a tackle - slicing an attempted block - not choosing the open hole but running right into the pile instead - balls just off the finger tips. Carr was never going to win the Buc game, the coaches and players were never going to let him win. It makes me wonder if the some NFL teams have been completely taken over by gamblers. I've no doubt that Keyshawn Johnson threw games on purpose last year. I was hoping it was just him, but apparently it involves many more.

Posted by: Trainwasher | Oct 1, 2007 5:20:16 AM

A lot of people have already said it. The gutless management in the Panther organization will probably cut Jenkins after the season because he is not the hand picked leader.

The coaching staff as well as alot of the key players should "GROW A SET" and follow Kris Jenkins example of what a leader is. Where is that arrogant ass Steve Smith. Don't hear him speaking up as a team leader.

Steve Smith is too busy being a foul mouthed ass to the fans who try to get autographs during team practices.

You would not believe the stuff that comes out of his mouth when I have tried to get an autograph. He might sign for a kid once in a while, but he isn't always nice about that either. Great football player, but what a disappointment as a person.

Kudos to Kris Jenkins - Panthers Team Leader

Posted by: Kevin | Oct 1, 2007 5:31:04 AM

Thanks Kris, it's about time somebody stood up and spoke for the fans, the community, heck for that matter for the two Carolinas. I get the impression that the coaches are the ones who are leading the players into resignation and despair. Even the announcers were yelling at the Panthers for not calling plays for over the middle on their cover-two defense. I'm tired of these games where they just don't even try. It's silly to see players like Colbert smiling with a big grin on his face when he caught the ball for a first down after the game was lost. Why would anyone laugh in a position like that?

It's like Marlin Brando in "On the waterfront" talking about the time his brother Charlie came in before his fight and said "This ain't your night" to let him know he was to throw the fight. There is no desire to win and we can all see it. You can see it in their faces as well as their play. It's very subtle, being slightly out of place - just missing a tackle - slicing an attempted block - not choosing the open hole but running right into the pile instead - balls just off the finger tips. Carr was never going to win the Buc game, the coaches and players were never going to let him win. It makes me wonder if the some NFL teams have been completely taken over by gamblers. I've no doubt that Keyshawn Johnson threw games on purpose last year. I was hoping it was just him, but apparently it involves many more.

Posted by: Trainwasher | Oct 1, 2007 5:32:35 AM

I can take losing if ther other team has better talent. What I can NOT take is a bunch of millionaires going through the motions, showing NO effort and NO heart and wasting the fans' time. They should give a refund to the poor souls who had to endure such an uninsipred performance.

Posted by: Still a Panther Fan | Oct 1, 2007 5:56:14 AM

Thank you Kris.

Our defense has sucked for a couple of years now. We've made every backup and rookie QB look good.

I'm afraid if Kris doesn't watch it and tow the line, he'll be Rosinskied.

Posted by: g5jamz | Oct 1, 2007 6:30:18 AM

Can someone please rip the "C" off of Peppers and give it Jenks.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 1, 2007 6:34:06 AM

Kris Jenkins said what every fan has been thinking....Our team is not playing with heart. John Fox, you need to move over and let someone else coach this team. You did a great job a few years back, but are no longer effective. It happens all the time, in business and in sports. What you are doing just doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: Kevin Balicki | Oct 1, 2007 6:42:23 AM

The good news: It was a beautiful, sunny day and I got to spend time with my 10 year old son. The bad news: He and the other kids in our section were exposed to such trash (and I'm not just talking about the drunk 2 rows back who was dropping F-Bombs more often than David Carr was running for his life).
I don't have a problem with the Panthers trying to put points up on the board in a lost cause at the end. At that point in time it becomes "try to work on a situation" in hopes that you find something that might work later when you need it. But be smart, don't leave your best player (Steve Smith) on the field risking injury.
I do have issues with being so disorganized you have to call timeout in order to decide whether to punt of go for it on 4th and a mile when the game is out of hand. Poor coaching and organization. And I have real issues with no one (except, it seems, Chris Jenkins) being honest about the team and it's lack of heart and desire. Yes it's only a quarter of the way through the season and yes a few wins and "all is forgiven" by fans, but if you keep doing the same things, you will probably keep getting the same results. Coach Fox, step up and be a leader and demand your captains become leaders also. Not a single captain talking to the press / fans after the game??? No class. No leadership. That's a problem.

Posted by: rc | Oct 1, 2007 6:44:26 AM

Thank you Kris Jenkins, I must say I spent to much money on 4 tickets and first time I have ever been to Bank of america stadium to see a panthers game up close!! This Team is not about PRIDE OR HEART ( Money and its a business tired of hearing excuses!! This Team needs to watch (Facing the Giants) To be honest with you I will never go back to the stadium again! I will stick to the cheaper plan on TV . I bet 20-1 a small college like ( APP State )team or big high school can beat panthers!! I have no doubt. Im very dissappointed in this football team. I cant believe that the panthers could just let somebody come into their house and push them around!!!!!

Posted by: Trey Critz | Oct 1, 2007 7:02:58 AM

Stop the crying everyone, we just have to face the music and realize we're a heartless team. Just look at our draft picks over the past few years. Half of them didn't even make the team. We must start finding better players in the later rounds of the draft. Our first and second pick are always good but after the first two rounds we stop looking for needs and start getting project players like Drew Carter. Just think about it we haven't drafted a WR in the first round since Rae Curruth in 1997 and we all know what happend to him. If it wasn't for Steve Smith, we would be up shitcreek. He made us play him at wideout and after he established himself as a good wideout they let Muhsin Muhammad go and he was suppose to retire with the panthers. Just like Witherspoon was suppose to still be with the team. I wish we could get him back but I know thats not happending. Just think of the players we let go, that we drafted like deon grant, a solid safety that we badly need. I mean keep your players and maybe we will succeed at building leadership. The team is lacking experience at the skilled positions on offense, mainly wideout. The ship is sinking fast, weather you want to believe it or not.

Posted by: Born_ah_heel | Oct 1, 2007 7:32:08 AM

Thank you Kris for saying what needed to be said. I hope it does not cost you your job. It has been painfully apparent since the beginning of the season this team is lacking in many areas, the most important heart. As a fan, I realize there will be losses, no one wins all the time. As a mother, I have tried to teach my children you only really loose when you quit, The Panthers really lost yesterday. They quit.

Posted by: ts | Oct 1, 2007 7:33:56 AM

WOW....go Jenkins! I do hope that John Fox, Jeff Davidson and the rest of the coaching staff were in the locker room to hear this. I agree with someone earlier who said, give the "C" to Jenkins. Maybe even the coaching position for that matter. It's nice to know that someone on the team still has a heart for football.

Posted by: Susan Poulter | Oct 1, 2007 7:46:55 AM

Thank you Kris Jenkins. I see Panthers getting only 5 wins this season. And if we trade or release Kris Jenkins, then i won't watch any of Panthers game. Kris need to get that C on his jersey. And what is up with the defense, i mean we need to fire Mkr Trogvac. Also we need to fire John Fox because he calls the offensive plays, i mean let Jeff Davison call all the plays on offense. Didn't we see the same plays as last year Dan Henning and the reason is that John Fox will call the offensive plays. FIRE JOHN FOX.

Posted by: Jon | Oct 1, 2007 7:55:40 AM

i thought yesterday was going to be a good. cheap 43.00 ticket, found free parking VERY close to the stadium for the first time ever.saw david carr arrive at the stadium at 2:15 pm. julius peppers arrived at 2:19 pm.nice, get to the stadium right before kickoff player. jenkins is right,no heart at all. fox your a joke,wake up son. you need to go back to the 1996 season and play the game tapes for your team fox, then you will see what a REAL TEAM WITH HEART LOOKS LIKE. that 1996 team would freakin destroy ANY of the fox led teams including the 2003 sb team and the 2005 team. 96 panthers were all about heart,and they didnt let ANYBODY COME INTO THERE HOUSE,THERE BRAND FREAKIN NEW HOUSE and win a game,including the defending superbowl champs the dallas cowboys. perfect 9-0 record at home. 8 regular season wins and 1 playoff win at home. jenkins? you want to see heart hoss? go find those 96 panthers game videos and watch them. all heart on both sides of the ball. on offense players like anthony johnson,wesley walls,howard griffith,mark carrier,willie green,a young kerry collins and moose. on a defense that had 22 int's and 65 sacks , players like kevin greene,lamar lathon, tyrone poole,doug evans,carlton bailey,chad cota,eric davis, shawn king, bret maxie and the man,the leader,the legend SAM MILLS. THEY ALL HAD HEART. AND THEY WERE THE TRUE SENSE OF A TEAM.THEY LET NOBODY DISRESPECT THEM IN THERE HOUSE,INCLUDING THE DEFENDING SB CHAMPS.JOHN FOX, PULL OUT THE 96 SEASON TAPES,SHOW THEM TO YOUR KIDS, BECAUSE THEY ARNET PLAYING LIKE MEN,THEY ARE PLAYING LIKE KIDS. speaking of kids. the 10 minute halftime game between the 2 local pop warner teams was better than the actual game itself. its sad when the paying,loyal fans cheer louder for pop warner players than they do for the pathetic panthers. kris jenkins glad to see you have some balls and call your boys out. somebody needs to.

Posted by: panther guru | Oct 1, 2007 8:32:36 AM

It's about time somebody other than the fans are fed up. Good for you Jenkins. Maybe this team is not as talented as has been said in the past. Maybe, they actually have to work and play hard for 60 minutes to win games. It takes more than just talent. What is shown on the sidelines, you wonder if some of these guys are just about collecting a pay check.

Posted by: Kevin | Oct 1, 2007 8:57:44 AM

Well, first I wouldn't put a lot of blame on Carr, the few times he threw a good ball, it was dropped. Then he had little time to throw in the second half. Defense is awful, it was better in the rookie season and they played in clemson. I bet Drew Brees is licking his chops for a chance to turn his season around next week. The good news is (right now) we didn't sign peppers to a giant contract before the season. Of course They likely will after the season. I'd sit most of the starting d-line except for Jenkins.

Unless they turn it around the Panthers will be lucky to win 5 games this year.

Posted by: jbw | Oct 1, 2007 9:11:36 AM

All together...FIRE MIKE TROGVAC! FIRE MIKE TROGVAC! We need a Defensive Cordi. that is not afraid to BLITZ. Think about it.....the blitz defense is what put the Carolina Panthers on the map. Quarterbacks have been having season/career highs on our defense for the last 3 years. I hope K Jenkins don't get in trouble for telling the truth. One thing I've learned is that the truth doesn't hurt unless it should.

Posted by: Lloyd | Oct 1, 2007 9:19:49 AM

What can even be said about this sorry defense. This is NOT the same defense from 3-4 years ago. I'm sick of hearing from the talking heads that the Panther D is still great. Plus, on the offensive side of the ball, why isn't Dewayne Jarret playing? He comes in and immediatly gets a catch. He's bound to be better than Colbert and Carter. And if we're not going to use DeAngelo Williams behind the line, then for God's sake use him on punt returns and kick-offs.

Posted by: J-Money | Oct 1, 2007 9:23:20 AM

I agree 110% with Kris Jenkins. I am a PSL owner and sit through every game until the final second clicks off of the clock. It seems that the team lacks heart, direction and a desire and passion to play. Of everyone that stepped on that field yesterday, I only saw Jenkins, Stanley McClover and King really perform. Sure...Mickey Mouse did his flip to get some additional yardage, but the decisions made in the pocket were terrible and very questionable. I never questioned Steve Smith's passion and desire, but for consecutive weeks, he has dropped passes that have hit him in the numbers! You are paid a lot of money to catch a football on Sunday.....DO IT!

Kris Jenkins, I can overlook the weight issue that many have with you, because you have shown up on Sunday and left it all on the field. I commend you for that and for speaking up. Fox, grow a set of balls and answer the damn questions that the fans and media have. As paying season ticket holders, we deserve a good product on the field and a coach who gives direct answers instead of dancing around questions like a little fairy!

Posted by: Greg | Oct 1, 2007 9:33:46 AM

I must have been the only person at the game who didn't see this Herculean effort by Kris Jenkins. Just because he called his team out doesn't mean he is any better. Did you really remember his performance before his comments, or is it just that we are so frustrated by the team lack of performance that this is a good bandwagon to jump on. Look at the box score, they ran for 189 yards. Over two thirds of those running plays were at the end Jenkins plays on or up the middle. He made four tackles. That's right four tackles. Over a dozen runs right up the middle. Over sixteen runs to his outside shoulder. Almost 30 running plays right at him. Four tackles. Spare me all this crap about him being a leader. Talk is cheap. Glass houses.

Posted by: willy | Oct 1, 2007 10:06:23 AM

I've tried to temper myself from overreacting so far this season but at this point I can't call what anyone who has criticized Fox, Trgovac, and some others as overreacting. I've defended John Fox because he seemingly has been a good coach, but maybe the real leadership has come from a select few players and really not from the coaching staff. I apologize to those that I accused of overreacting. You've apparently been dead on.

Yesterday was simply a meltdown of coaching and an utter embarassment. Underprepared strategically, mentally, and from a contingency view for when someone goes down a person can fill that role effectively. David Carr is not good at all regardless of all the defenses people make for him. If they listened carefully, they would realize they sound like the very people they criticize for defending Jake. Come to grips with reality that you are wrong about Carr and he is not better than Jake and is not the answer you are looking for.

Maybe all of this has been building up since last year and finally came to a head yesterday and the Panthers along with John Fox and Marty Hurney were exposed for who they really are, an average to below average team/coaches that happen to get lucky once in a while because the NFC overall sucks so bad. We would be in the same league as the Bills, Browns, and Raiders in the AFC right now if we were over there.

Maybe they wanted to get rid of Jenkins because they knew he would not tow the company line and could emerge as a threat to their power by speaking out. Same goes for Keyshawn. Maybe Steve Smith won't speak to reporters because he knows he will probably explode even more than Jenkins has done and chooses to keep it to himself for the time being. Maybe Jake is ducking the media for similar reasons now. There are clearly some serious internal issues going on. I wish the reporters could take advantage of this opportunity and get more players to speak out so we can find out what's really going on. Fans have a right to know especially those fans that pay very good money to fund these salaries.

Fox challenged the team's manhood in 02' and clearly the same needs to be done to him by Jerry Richardson or the BigCat needs to start lining up people to take this team over.

Posted by: Matt A | Oct 1, 2007 10:13:48 AM

The Panthers are a bunch of candy asses. that includes Fox, Richardson, and yes even Kris Jenkins. So Jenkins gave a speech. So what? How about getting in someone's face the moment that they make a mistake, not 2 hours later.
The Panthers remind me of characters in the Wizard of Oz. You have the cowardly lion John Fox. He never shows his emotion or gives out information for fear that the other team will be even more motivated to kick their ass. His coaching staff (the wizards) are so afraid of losing that they have forgot how to win.
Then there is Julius Peppers, the Tin Man, all rusted and immobile with no heart for the game. Couldn't hit a quarterback with a broom stick anymore. And lets not forget the Panthers QB's. The Dorothy's of the NFL. They talk the talk but couldn't find the yellow brick road (their receivers) with a Geiger counter. It's forth and short and Carr throws the bomb while Steve Smith runs the pattern for the first down. How can you not be on the same page with your best player... And Jake(show me the money) Delhomme, if I see you hawking another bucket of chicken, I'm going to puke.
Lastly there is much to be said about Mr. Richardson. He has turned into the Toto of the NFL. He loves his Panthers unconditionally. An admirable trait if you are a parent, but not the cutthroat style needed to succeed in professional sports.
I'm not going to follow this yellow brick road for much longer. I quit following the Colts when they snuck out of town in the middle of the night, but would applaud if a few of above mentioned would do the same. It hurts to lose, but it is unacceptable to not give your best effort. Most of us can only dream of getting paid to play a game that we love. Is it really that hard to defend your home turf? What a bunch of terds...

Posted by: Denrec | Oct 1, 2007 10:17:19 AM

BUCS WIN! You suck again! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

Posted by: David Carr | Oct 1, 2007 10:30:22 AM

Thank God for Nascar or there wouldn't have been anything worth watching on Sunday. Go JR! and I don't mean Jerry R. Loved the way he put Kyle AmBusch into the wall and give him some of his own medicine. Those Nascar MEN drove with heart and passion and put it all on the line. The Panthers need to take next Sunday off and go to the race. Maybe they will learn how to appreciate what they have. We are in bad need of a FIRE SALE. Don't worry about making mistakes Jerry, anyone that shows up will be an improvement over those clowns that we call the 2007 Panthers.

Posted by: deepenwide | Oct 1, 2007 10:47:34 AM

Do you think Mr. Richardson knew about the team would respond with Minter gone. Do you think he saw this same attitude of guys last year when things got down and in the dumpster. I think he knows that his team folds in the clutch. Heck I think he feels that he folded by letting two well tacklers go to the Rams the past two years. Calling out Peppers in the offseason only channelled him in the wrong way. He doesnt know how to work and approach him, heck others for that matter. They are stuck in their old ways and its showing and uncovering week by week. Thats what I love about the NFL to other sports. Matter the record of or, if that other TEAM believes that it can against you, they SIMPLY will. And it was simply for the Bucs. We dont make it hard on anyone no more but ourselves and it looks like its a matter of time before things blow up in OUR BELIEVE STATE TEAM HOME OFFICE. If so it would be a shame. Having all the things in place to be a dominate top team in the league. We dont play hard, thats just it. We have every North Carolina native or player who has played football in the state of North Carolina and plays on the other team when they come to Bank of America Stadium, play better than most of the guys on our team. [checkitout] Yesterday kid from NC Central that caused the fumble on Foster. Thats heart and playing hard. Im not dissing Foster, I love Foster, he is another one that no one mentions of playing hard and wanting to win. He is running folks with what he has. He could be mentioned in top backs thats riviving with L. Jordan and T.Henry right now if they had it tigether. But they dont, and the first quarter showed. But we were 2-2 going intolast year as well but with a 2game winning streak. With start up of the second quarter with a two game winning streak as well. Won 4 straight games. We won and lost in 2's last year. Looking like 1's this year. We have to catch some breaks, we have to make our own breaks. Lucas and Gamble cant be that quiet. davis has to be the fire for the defense. Him and Beason believe. Oh how I wish we had Taye Biddle, we might as Panther fans might need to be quiet about some Biddle cause some other teams may take notice and cop him. Like we obviously so have. They look and feel like they wish the bye was coming up or something to try and get right and keep all the things that coming out in house. But guess what not for a few more weeks. They are forced to get it together on and off camera. Cant hide and go put our Panther tail between our tails now.:) We dont fight like Cats. It is use to be a Cat when we played other teams, suppose to be that way. Most of every team in the league takes on its persona of the name, mascot, organization, representation, Owner, Coach on down. they take on that. The symbols. We must have lost it when we played suckish against Seahawks in the NFC Championship game when we thought we were going to go up in their and walk to the Super Bowl cause we got there when we said we could. Irrigance. And thats what this team has been full of, themselves and we have saw that coming and thats why Jenkins had to say something it was killing him not say. Wanted somebody else to know what was going on. Great JOB. Crying for help!!!!!!! Hope it works for the team and the city and mananagements sake. Because this is what its going to come down to. Hate to say, but the changes are and eventually come if this shipped dont get turn around. Life just workes that way. If not then the Panthers probably would be shipped away from hear and then once again we would have lost a Champion calaber team. But Im just ramping but thats life. Things can happen and you have to expect the unexpected. Can get past things alot easier that way.

Posted by: DPantherFan | Oct 1, 2007 11:11:40 AM

What is Peppers' current weight? I thought he was Dwayne Jarret for a second.

More Harris, more nickel with Marshall.

Why in the world wouldn't you have someone practicing, every week, as the alternate middle linebacker so that they know not only their assignements, but where each member of the defense is supposed to be - you know, quarterback of the defense? Morgan is great when he is in, but you have to be realistic about the odds of that being every game.

If D'Angelo Williams is only going to get 2 or 3 carries in a game, can't we have him return punts and kickoffs too? Otherwise, he might be getting bored. Let playmakers make plays.

David Carr throws like a girl. Once I read that he doesn't smoke, drink or cuss, I knew why he was signed. Fits right in with the image that Jerry and his son Mark (sure, you could be in the same position elsewhere if you didn't work for daddy) want to portray. We want a ripping game of lawn tennis with polite clapping and finger sandwiches - oh and now add a healthy dose of Bojangles. We are on the field, there is a lag in the action, the D is tired, the crowd is slipping away. What do we see, a teary video about how Julius Peppers is a Big Brother. Great program, proud of him for doing it, dumbass time to show it. But aren't we good people?

Why don't we sell beer in the aisles? I can get peanuts, cracker jacks, dominos pizza, soft drinks, lemon ice etc. Why can't I get a beer in the aisles? If we sell it, I didn't see a single person where I sat doing it. More image management. We sell beer, but we can at least pretend that we don't. Why else put up the announcement that alcohol sales end at the third quarter, why not just let them end? Is it for the benefit of our fans, as a public service announcement, a warning? Hypocritical way of saying last call for alcohol. We'll take the money but we don't have to like it.

NFL is violent. We need to let fans and players that want to be crazy-eyed maniacs do just that. Let's have some fun at least. I felt like I came from a PTA meeting.

This commentary was brought to you by CPI, US Airways, Bojangles, Harris Teeter (waive those VIC cards), Allen Tate Realty, SPAM, Minute Rice, Niagra Spray Starch, Coca Cola and Hooter's Family Restaurants.

Posted by: Billary | Oct 1, 2007 11:22:01 AM

First, I was at the game (not a PSL holder) and I have noticed the fair weatherness of the crowd. We do appear to NOT appreciate having a pro team here. We're spoiled by good collegiate sports and we seem to leave the intensity for that sort of thing. BUT ... I also totally agree with Jenkins - no heart, no passion - apology accepted. Give the fans credit for this - when Carr made his acrobatic effort, the crowd roared - not because we thought we were going to win, but because SOMEBODY chose to have heart! That's all we ask! Win or lose, Play with PASSION! But we fans need to have passion too. Quit being "pro" fans, too good to cheer a team through the rough times. Let's go home hoarse, hands red, EVERY GAME - or sell your spot to some maniac who will!

Posted by: Brinze | Oct 1, 2007 11:29:52 AM

I don’t know, I saw a bunch of girls getting their butts spanked on the 50 yard line for three hours. How’s the tush girls?

Posted by: Doofus Dan | Oct 1, 2007 11:35:35 AM

The crowd mostly reacts. This crowd stuff was inevitable the first day you decided to go PSL. Didn't anyone learn anything from the Dean Dome? The people who can afford the best seats are the least likely to be crazy maniacs at the game. We sold our soul to the devil (goes by the name of Max Muhlman) when we decided to let the fans finance the team instead of having someone with deep enough pockets do it. Yes, we got a team, but we traded its soul before the first snap for the guaranteed money of PSLs. Now, you could buy PSLs back and turn them into other kinds of tickets, you could re-arrange the seating, and if PSL owners didn't like it, they could not go to the games(but would most likely sue), you could do a lot of things. Until Muffin, Hunter and Thurston Howell III vacate their seats you won't be able to change the flavor of the stadium, no matter how much you change the music, the number of ads, even the performance on the field. It is not a pro-football crowd, it is a four year old soccer team crowd (and mostly the kids from private school). At the end of the season, we probably give everyone on the team a trophy just for participating.

Posted by: Billary | Oct 1, 2007 11:46:16 AM

Kris is right!When are these guys going to stop playing like a pop warner team.I take that back,they probably have more balls than the"pussycats" have right now.Maybe Kris should start calling people out...,LIKE THE WHOLE DEFENSE,AND YOU TOO DAN MORGAN!!!

Posted by: behave29 | Oct 1, 2007 11:56:37 AM

Here are the front four stats year to date for tackles

Rucker 11
Maake 11
Jenkins 11
Peppers 9
Lewis 10 (part time player)
McGlover 1 (but he sure can clap)
Morehead 8 (part time player)

If you were the coach and looked at this, what would you do?

Two thirds of the running plays are away from Peppers. Surprised Jenkins doesn't have something like 35 tackles? I agree with what he said, I don't agree that he isn't just as much to blame as everyone else. This is right from nfl.com.

Also:
Davis 26
Morgan 22
Beason 23


Posted by: Billary | Oct 1, 2007 12:16:20 PM

Let me add .... We've got one big problem and one little but very aggravating problem: Big problem is that the team right now is - as we all know - stinky. THEY (team includes players, coaches, owners)alone are responsible for that. Little problem is the fans - there's no 12th man ever. I'm not rich but I don't usually resent them either - but in this case these fans act truly like they wish they could "hire" someone to cheer for them. Can we PLEEZ put an end to this, and possibly lose the sophisticated snobbery for a few hours and "pretend" to be enthused about something??? And I agree - let's see some replays, videos, remembering that folks did already PAY to enter the stadium to see FOOTBALL!!! So yes, the crowd is a little problem compared to the big team problem, but it is something WE can do something about, right? As for that big problem - all I can say is... I'm a 48 year old woman who runs slower than her husband walks... and I saw 11 people who looked like me out there on Sunday. There's not much we can do about that.

Posted by: brinze | Oct 1, 2007 1:23:46 PM

I'm agreeing with all those who are disgusted with the "home field advantage." Your place didn't sound loud at all. But the part that really irks me is the field conditions. Did it rain for 2 weeks straight before the game? Did your groundskeeper pass on and you hired the supervisor from a D rated golf course? There were divots and clumps everywhere. I'm not saying that's why Carnell and Luke got hurt, but your stadium should show some pride (word of the week apparently) and have an NFL quality field. It's much easier to fix that then your defensive problems. Baby steps....

Posted by: Dash | Oct 1, 2007 3:40:24 PM

dash your a moron son. the nfl players have ranked the panthers field at bank of america stadium the last 5 years as the best playing field in the nfl

Posted by: panthers guru | Oct 1, 2007 4:23:20 PM

I've had it with Fox and his, "we've got to to better, we've got to clean it up, we just didn't execute," ad nauseum. Will someone perhaps ask him some tough questions like, "are you concerned about your job?" or "Why don't you clear out your defensive coordinator's desk?" Maybe these types of questions would ignite a little emotion in a place where it's desperately needed -- THE HEAD COACH. Jenkins should get Turgovac's job today. One more thing about the fans. When I was at a home game last year, security actually escorted out 2 guys who painted their torsos in team colors. With that crap going on, don't ever look for the rowdiness we need in the stands. Starched white shirts and Nordstrom ties just don't bring out the noise!

Posted by: TH | Oct 1, 2007 5:03:11 PM

Oh spare me all of you whining and snivelling so called Panther fans!!!! You act like the players intentionally lose the game to just "rob" you of your hard earned money. Guess what geniuses....the players don't go into a game thinking "I get to disappointment some fans today" Those idiots paid good money for this. They don't care whether you pay $100 or $20 for a game. They go out every time to play hard and to win. Anyone who has played sports knows what goes through your mind and the meaning of team. They got beat by a better team...period. Don't let Kris' tirade fool you. Football is an emotional game! I believe attitude is more important than skill! Everyone has skill in the NFL...most have pride and some have more attitude. Kris is trying to fire up his team before it's too late! You season ticket holder fans are not going to do it! However, I think "no heart" is the wrong term here...a better description is soft attitude! They need to get nasty and bust people in the mouth. You want to talk about embarrassing....I'll tell you what is embarassing!!!! I have been a Panthers fan since day 1. I grew up in Charlotte, but due to my job, I had to move before '95 and I can not live there now. Therefore, in order to see the Panthers every Sunday, I had to buy the NFL package. Well, let me tell you...you so called fans and hard working "season ticket" holders embarassed the hell out of me when 80% of you filed out of the stadium like a bunch of hookers leaving church when the Panthers were losing. What..you think by leaving early you will teach the team a lesson and show them! You stay with them until the end, good or bad!! What the hell is that...oh I'm with you as long as you are winning..but start losing or play like I think you have no heart and I'm out of here. Biggest bunch of BS I've ever seen! Maybe they play like sh!t at home because they know you don't have their backs! And you cry because the stadium shows commercials. How about making enough noise to drown out those commercials. How about making noise and let YOUR team know you are with them. BOTTOM LINE: From what I saw on TV, it looks like YOU,the fans, are the ones without heart!!!!

Posted by: Carolina Wild | Oct 1, 2007 5:33:26 PM

Oh spare me all of you whining and snivelling so called Panther fans!!!! You act like the players intentionally lose the game to just "rob" you of your hard earned money. Guess what geniuses....the players don't go into a game thinking "I get to disappointment some fans today" Those idiots paid good money for this. They don't care whether you pay $100 or $20 for a game. They go out every time to play hard and to win. Anyone who has played sports knows what goes through your mind and the meaning of team. They got beat by a better team...period. Don't let Kris' tirade fool you. Football is an emotional game! I believe attitude is more important than skill! Everyone has skill in the NFL...most have pr