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October 01, 2007
Fox has little to say after defeat
John Fox just finished his weekly day-after-the-game news conference. After reviewing the film and getting some sleep, Fox said ... well, basically, nothing.
So, if you’re still looking for the only insightful explanation of Sunday’s disaster against Tampa Bay, we once again give you the locker-room words of defensive tackle Kris Jenkins in their entirety:
"You all ready (clears throat)? All right, I’m going to be honest. I think the players owe the fans an apology. I would be as upset as they are if I had to sit in the stands for four hours and look at that garbage. I’m going to be honest with you. That’s what it was, garbage.
I apologize to you Pat because I didn’t put everything out as far as the issue (in an Observer story last week, where Jenkins challenged his teammates to handle prosperity better). This is our issue as a team. As a team collectively, we have no heart. We have no energy. We have no drive. Football is about pride and passion. I’m going to repeat that again. Football is about pride and passion. The pride and the passion that you have for this game makes you want to win.
It’s not about the money. It’s not about looking the part. It’s not about standing on the field so everybody can see you on TV and that you look good. It’s about pride and heart. If you have those two, if you win or lose, you’re going to look like a football team.
That’s why we have issues with prosperity. That’s why we have issues when things look good. That’s why we can’t get enough together to look and act like a football team. This is not a 9-to-5 job. This is a game. It is a street fight. It is a gladiator sport and I apologize that sometimes I don’t look the part for what people want me to be. I’m not the weight that everybody wants me to be. But when I step on that field, what you are going to see is pride and heart because I value this game. I love it and that is what is frustrating me. We don’t have that.
We went out there and I felt embarrassed. I walked out the little line or whatever you come through to go play and I walked out and basically, in certain way, I challenged their team. And I challenged my team, because when you step out there like that and you do something like that, you better back it up and we didn’t. We got broke off. We really got broke off and I’m embarrassed to say so.
Right now, my heart hurts. It really does. It’s hard to sit there week after week and go through this. This is what’s not being addressed. Week in and week out, we might say this and we might say that or we need to change this. It’s not that you can’t pay for pride and heart. It might good when you look at the stats or when you look at someone’s 40 time or you look at everything else. But it doesn’t matter how many skills you have. It doesn’t matter how good you look when you catch a pass or when you run the ball or when you tackle somebody or cover somebody.
It’s not going to matter if you don’t have those two things, because this is the NFL. It is the National Football League. It is a professional sport and you have people out here, such as myself, who love this game enough that they’re going to put it all out on the field.
Tampa Bay came and they did that and they royally broke their foot off in our butt. I have nothing else to say. I’m upset about this, but I wanted to say that.’’
Posted by Observer Sports on October 1, 2007 at 10:41 AM | Permalink
Comments
Let me guess.....his answer......"execution"
Posted by: Matt A. | Oct 1, 2007 10:47:01 AM
It is what it is!
Posted by: Steven in the words of John Fox | Oct 1, 2007 10:57:28 AM
Posted by: Mute | Oct 1, 2007 10:58:32 AM
I am so finished with this asshole. Why does he think that he is better than everyone. What has he done. Gave up 30 some points as defensive coordinater for the Giants against a bad Ravens offense. Can't produce back to back winning seasons with the Panthers.
Good luck next year as a Special teams coach with Idaho St.
Posted by: Charles | Oct 1, 2007 11:03:56 AM
It's time for an obvious and sorely needed coaching change.....someone like Bill Cowher who coaches with some fire and has his men PREPARED to play and execute each and every week.
www.firejohnfox.com
Posted by: RK | Oct 1, 2007 11:20:46 AM
Kris was certainly correct in his assesment and I personally appreciate his apology. The fans are so hungry to cheer for something good. I was at the game, and the crowd went crazy when Carr "flipped" for the first down. That was a great example of heart. Unfortunately we've only seen a handful of those examples this season, most coming from Steve Smith. I just think it goes to prove that the fans here will cheer and be supportive when given something to cheer about.
parking costs - $10
food/beverages for tailgate - $75
family tickets to game - $300
1 round of drinks/food at game - $45
total cost of panther "fun" for afternoon - $430
feeling that you wasted almost $500 and 5 hours of your afternoon - PRICELESS
Posted by: Bryan D. | Oct 1, 2007 11:23:50 AM
Yes, Fox could fire his players up more. But it is the player's job to be ready to play to teh utmost of his ability on Sunday. If that's asking too much, maybe they could do something else for a living.
Posted by: firedup | Oct 1, 2007 11:25:23 AM
I'm sick of this s$%#. All he can ever say is "we didn't execute." I think John Fox doesn't care about winning or losing.
Posted by: DS | Oct 1, 2007 11:25:40 AM
Yesterday's game was such a disappointment. I admire Jenkins for at least acknowledging that there is a lack of heart on this team. I personally think that ultimately falls on the head coach's lap. I heard Fox's post game interview on the long drive home..."they played way better than us on all three sides." Way better? C'mon,that doesn't sound like a NFL coach speaking! Most of the griping that I hear is about the coaching ability (or should I say lack of). There is too much talent on this team for a losing season!
Posted by: J | Oct 1, 2007 11:43:48 AM
My opinion is Fox is waiting for Tom Caughlin to get fired in New York so he can get the Giant head coaching job... Rumor was if the Giants did not get into the playoffs this year, and win some playoff games, he would be gone. then Fox could go back to NY where he had some success and is loved by the fans. I certainly don't think this is all Fox's fault, but he is the head coach and is responsible for the product on the field. Ultimately its his head that will roll. It would benefit him to axe some of his coaches to try and avoid that... and I would start with Trgovac. Millions of dollars tied up in what is supposed to be a great defense, and it looks pitiful. Obviously Trgovac is not doing something right...
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 1, 2007 11:44:08 AM
The sorriest performance by
a "football" team Ive seen
since ive been watching football
and im 64.
I think it is not just one person
but a team attitude that needs to
be adjusted.
When the real Panthers show up they
are damn right scarey
Posted by: D Shoemake | Oct 1, 2007 11:45:20 AM
Yesterday's game was such a disappointment. I admire Jenkins for at least acknowledging that there is a lack of heart on this team. I personally think that ultimately falls on the head coach's lap. I heard Fox's post game interview on the long drive home..."they played way better than us on all three sides." Way better? C'mon,that doesn't sound like a NFL coach speaking! Most of the griping that I hear is about the coaching ability (or should I say lack of). There is too much talent on this team for a losing season!
Posted by: J | Oct 1, 2007 11:45:23 AM
Since the players don't show up for home games, the fans should take the next game off.
Posted by: Joe Smo | Oct 1, 2007 11:50:45 AM
Marty Shottenheimer lives in Lake Norman, he went 14-2 last year.
Posted by: Anthony | Oct 1, 2007 11:55:20 AM
Somebody get BILL COWHER's address.I will walk from my house and pick him up AND CARRY HIM TO THE STADIUM if the fire JOHN FOX. And i live in MARYLAND!
Posted by: BEHAVE29 | Oct 1, 2007 12:05:16 PM
Ok, so John Fox had little to say? Well WHAT DID HE SAY?!!!!! How about filling us in on the little that he did say instead of reposting the same entry.
Posted by: mattdaddy | Oct 1, 2007 12:37:14 PM
Why don't you post these "nothing" comments? I'd rather make that judgement for myself, thank you.
Oh, I forgot. The Observer Sports Dept is supposed to tell me what to think. Thanks guys.
Posted by: mm | Oct 1, 2007 12:38:43 PM
IT SEEMED LIKE THE GUYS JUST WAS NOT MOTIVATED TO PLAY,JAKE WAS OUT OF THE GAME,THEY DIDN'T SEEM TOO POSITIVE.COACH, MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO CALL MIKE MINTER AND LET HIM COME OUT AND GIVE THEM A MOTIVATIONAL SPEECH.THAT'S JUST AN IDEA,HE SEEMED TO INFLUENCE THEM ALOT WHEN HE WAS ON THE TEAM.
Posted by: FE | Oct 1, 2007 12:39:05 PM
All PSL owners should sell their tickets to Colts fans and all Panther fans that do show up should cheer for the Colts so to at least create the impression that this is a road game for the Panthers.
Posted by: mbm | Oct 1, 2007 12:39:22 PM
Okay..Enough said concerning the fire, effort & desire of the Carolina Panthers. Everyone knows that this has been the "status quo" of this team for quite some time. Too many premadonna's who think their &^$( don't stink. I will definitely call them out. Peppers is not being used correctly, we all realize that he is a physicall specimen. But why would you drop a 6'7 290lbs Lineman into courage. How about get his %@$ in position to put pressure on the quarterback. OL- No words can describe our pieced-meal line that changes week-to-week. Colbert and Carter, I believe could possibly start for Independence High School and with a probably the most dynamic wide receiver in the fame today, why can we not get the ball into Steve Smith's hands? Finally, Dwayne Jarret is a bust! Hurney got rid of Keyshawn for a player that finally suited up for one game but has not show in flashes of potential performance. GM decisions are a bust and the coaches need to be replaced, Def Corrdiator, Special Teams, and Head Coach and especially Hurney. Hey Richardson, you are truly a smart guy how about exercising your discretion and get rid of this underperforming coaches and players or else your ass will have empty stadium for the football games with slumping sells of everything. The Carolina Fans can weather a storm but we cannot and will not stand by and watch consistently dumb decisions being exectuted by your GM and Head Coaches. Finally, Mr, Rihardson if you want your team to win you might want to seek to get the Panthers in the Class 4A with independence. You might be able to pull off some wins. I won't comment on your defense. Get rid of Dan Morgan, and the Safeties! I like Harris b/c he will hit but Deke and Gamble are two DB's you can do without! Moroever, I believe that JOhn Fox and Hurney are the best players on the opposing teams each week!
Posted by: Sam | Oct 1, 2007 12:41:59 PM
Here is what John Fox had to say regarding the team and Jenkins, its a typical Foxy answer but it would have been worth posting by Pat and Stan; props to Steve Reed of the Gaston Gazette and CarolinaGrowl.com on this one:
On Monday, John Fox addressed Jenkins comments by saying, "I think after the way we peformed there is frustration and that is what those comments are based on. I don't know if it was as much a lack of effort as it was a lack of execution. We had a couple of critical third downs on the opening drive where we could have played better and we allowed them to convert."
Fox said Jenkins' comments were "understandable."
When asked if he feels like his team has heart and passion, Fox said, "I think just looking at what went down in the second half, I think that speaks a little bit about that. But that doesn't change what happened in the first half."
Posted by: mattdaddy | Oct 1, 2007 12:48:45 PM
see i told u guys last week that the bucs were a good team and guys all doubted me sayin wat a joke and that there defense was bad, man i hate that we lost but i told u so it was like the panthers didnt come to play which is a big dissapointment
Posted by: Dwayne | Oct 1, 2007 12:59:01 PM
Here is something for the fans:
Well, let's catch up, after a productive hour-plus in the locker room.
QB Jake Delhomme said surgery on his right elbow is a possiblity, but called it a "last-resort type of deal."
MLB Dan Morgan came in wearing a cast on his right foot, saying he had a partially torn Achilles tendon. The cast comes off later this week and he's hopeful of playing again soon.
And then DT Kris Jenkins arrived, saying he didn't back off from any of Sunday's statements, and suggesting he might have asked to be traded as a result of the "issues" that bothered him to the point of speaking out.
Posted by: Darin Gantt | Oct 1, 2007 1:19:27 PM
Nah, that wasnt really Darin Gantt; although this is what appeared on his website, he isnt the one who posted it on this site.
Posted by: dont get so worked up | Oct 1, 2007 1:22:11 PM
TRY TO CALL HIS SHOW ON WBT TONIGHT. THEY WILL CUT YOU OFF BEFORE YOU CAN ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS. HURNEY IS TO BLAME JUST AS MUCH AS FOX IF NOT MORE.
Posted by: Carl Leazer | Oct 1, 2007 1:24:19 PM
Questions
Is a premadonna someone who came before Madonna (to Sam)? Are you speaking of Cher?
Can't you see Fox is never going to play out his issues in the media? For that I admire him. Stop expecting him to throw anyone under the bus, he is too classy of a guy for that.
Do you think Fox hangs on to his coaches that need to be changed to the point of being bullheaded? Having managed people before, the hardest thing to do is let go of someone you have invested a lot in, in essence giving up on them. I have done it in business, and I see Fox doing it. I admire the loyalty, but he needs to get the opinions of people he trusts that aren't so close to the situation. Clearly, somebody there has lost the confidence of the team in them, and any time a manager loses the confidence of his team, something has to dramatically change to change that.
Does anyone really think Jenkins has played as hard as he says he has? He has ten tackles for the year, as do most of his co-workers on the front four. He is no better than those around him, despite pointing the finger outward. Perhaps he should just come out and name names if he wants to seem all manly. Who, specifically, does he think isn't performing? Which coach, which player. Either go all the way with this kind of stuff or shut the hell up. He certainly hasn't set the world on fire, and his back-ups have as many tackles as he does yet play less. Hmmmmm.
Posted by: Willy | Oct 1, 2007 1:36:26 PM
That was perhaps one of the lopsided victories I've ever seen. We came out beat down the Panthers. It was great seeing the stadium empty by the third quarter.
But, I'll end by saying that the Panthers will be a good team someday. Just not in my lifetime. Go Bucs!!!!!
Posted by: Tom | Oct 1, 2007 1:47:19 PM
I think Jenkins comments are awesome. He's absolutely right, as least as far as the defense goes. What happened to one of the best defensive lines in the league?? Jenkins can't do it all alone! I think it's cool he's stepping up and telling the team what he thinks. They need to hear it, and it's cool that we as fans get to hear it as well.
Posted by: rj | Oct 1, 2007 1:48:22 PM
I see it like this. The NFL is a grown man game and if you need a coach to get you fired up for a game, then you dont belong in the league. But with the absence of a real leader on either side of the ball (now that Jake is hurt) it is up to the coach to be that leader. And its obvious that Fox is not capable of that. He's never had to be that sort of coach with Minter being there. But Minter is gone and Fox must set the tone and the mentality of this team, he takes a lazy approach to the games and even to practice and now its starting to show on the field.
Posted by: matt | Oct 1, 2007 1:53:37 PM
Damn Morgan's hurt again! Damn damn damn. I think this team will look totally different next year, I hope. We need football players and I hope some of these guy got their degrees before they left college because I would cut all of them, Carter, Colbert, Goings, kemo, Salley, Lucus, and all the other non producers. Its over for us. Our team is headed back to being a very below average team. Damn this hurts, I guest I'll focus on Basketball. GO Bobcats
Posted by: Born_ah_heel | Oct 1, 2007 1:54:19 PM
john fox isnt going anywhere. he still has 5 years and 20 million left on his contract. jerry richardson isnt stupid. he knows that if he fires john fox he has to eat that 20 million. he isnt going to do that folks,thats alot of money. so all this crap about bill cowher being the coach next year, or anybody else other than fox being the coach next year is, well, crap.if i were marty hurny i would be looking for another job though. ask yourself this... since the 2003 superbowl team, other than jason baker, name 1 position that the panthers have upgraded on the team and it has made an impact. you cant, jason baker is the only 1. its sad when everyday,ordinary knowledgable football cans can tell you what is wrong with your team,and how to correst it.stephen davis gone, al wallace gone,brentson buckner gone,will witherspoon gone,chris draft gone,ricky manning jr gone, rod smart gone,kemp rasmussen gone,deon grant gone,todd steussie gone. fox and marty are idiots,period. hard to call out your fans when you have a better record on the road than you do at home.unless the giants or any other team will buy out john fox's contract we are stuck with him for the nest 5 years.jenkins had what? 5 tackles sunday? and he laso got 2 crucial penalties on 3rd downs yesterday to give the bucs 2 first downs. bucs fans gloat all you want, you deservie it. since you have won the superbowl, sunday was only the 2 nd time you have beat tha panthers in 9 tries.i was at the game and i concurr with all the commercial ads, it really sucks....2 minutes of football followed by a tv timeout for 5 minutes. then 2 more minutes of football followed by 5 more minutes of commercial ads and tv timeouts.
Posted by: panther guru | Oct 1, 2007 1:58:26 PM
I agree, it is good to seem some political incorrectness, see someone speaking from the heart, etc. But,if I were his teamate, I would be ticked off that he is saying that stuff in the press if he isn't saying it a lot more straight up in the locker room, putting the cards really out on the table, eyeball-to-eyeball with who he has a problem with. If he isn't doing that, it is all just a bunch of hot air. The big problem I have with what he said is he separated himself from whoever he is talking about, saying he leaves it on the field, blah, blah, blah. I haven't seen that where his performance is concerned, and the facts don't show it. He is pointing the finger, but saying clearly that if everyone was just more like him, problem solved. A real teamate would keep his yap shut, call all the players together, and if he has an issue with certain players, get it out in front of their face. I think this is just bs to get traded - and I think he should get what he is asking for. If we could pick up a good LB, a proven safety to go along with Harris, or a good, pound it down their throats runner like a Steven Davis was, let him go. Get rid of him while you can get something for him, then he can go to another team and talk all he wants to. People seem to confuse calling people out with leadership, all it is is fertilizer. There is no "i" in team, but there are two in "idiot". Itizwhatitiz.
Posted by: Willy | Oct 1, 2007 2:02:31 PM
kRIS GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU CARE AND I BELIEVE THAT JERRY RICHARDSON HAVE TO MAKE MARTY HURNEY EVEN JOHN FOX FILL THAT THIS IS THIER CAREER THAT 'S ON THE LINE ,I KINDA
HATE TO SAY THIS BUT I BELIVE YOU MIGHT HAVE TO THREATEN MARTY HURNEY TO MAKE SOME MOVES I MEAN DEFENSLY WE DECLINE SINCE WEEK ONE AND I LOVE STEVE SMITH BUT HE'S HUMAN GIVING HIM SOME HELP AND PLAYMAKERS HELP THIS WHAT I BELIVE THE PANTHERS SHOULD DO,TRADE A 2ROUND PICK KEARY COLBERT DANTE WESLY,JEFF KING AND NATE SALLY TO THE SAD RAMS FOR Torry Holt AND Randy McMichael THEN GIVE UP A 4 ROUND PICK AND DREW CARTER TO GET NEW ENGLAND USELESS SO FAR Donte' Stallworth AND LAST BUT LEAT TRADE 2 SAFETY NOT CHRIS HARRIS FOR VIKING SAFETY Darren Sharper WHO IS GET ALITTLE OLD NOW WITH THE TRADE WE MAKE WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE MONEY FOR THE CAP TO MAKE THSE MOVE SO IF KRIS WANT PLAYERS WHO HAVE THE HEART FOR THE GAME AND STEVE SMITH WANT MORE HELP I THINK WE FOUND THE ANSWER NOW MAKING MARTY HURNEY BE LIKE SUPER BOWL WINNING MANGER /PRESIDENT JERRY JONES AND MAKE THE MOVE IS ALL THAT IS LEFT TO DO OH YEAH AND THE COWBOYS STILL UNDEFEATED LET GO PANTHERS! AND BY THE WAY NEW ENGLAND DID THE SAME THING SOMEBODY NEED TO DO SOME THING WE LOOK CRAZY YOU DON'T EXPECT A WIN BUT EXPECT A LOSS THAT SHOW THIS TEAM NEED TO GET IT'S PANTHERS PRIDE AND FAST!
Posted by: panther hopeful | Oct 1, 2007 2:11:49 PM
I think this was one of the worst defeats in Panthers history! We suck! The Panthers were beaten on all sides of the ball and the coaches and players don't care. The panthers front office have made horrable decitions, we let Muhammed go, Witherspoon go and weve done nothing in the off-season to better this team....its going to be a VERY long season.
Posted by: charleen | Oct 1, 2007 2:22:10 PM
Well, take it from a Bucs fan who has endured a few up and down years - John Fox is a good coach. He seems similar to Dungy in his mindset that if we "do what we do" (execute close to perfectly), then we'll be fine. When Dungy was here, every PC after a loss was, "we just have to execute".
Remember the phrase Marshall Faulk used to use: "big time players make big time plays on big time days." I think it's more on Marty. He's made some great decisions, but, he's made some not so great ones here recently. You guys know what the moves were better than me, but, I'm not sure why the secondary wasn't reinforced. How could he not be prepared for Minter to retire?
My read from afar is the Cats need to reload or rebuild around the Vets that it can.
Anyway, good luck and we'll see ya 'round Christmas for the next one.
Mr.T
Posted by: Mr.T | Oct 1, 2007 2:27:33 PM
I have never missed cheering our Panthers for every home game since 1995 including our 1/15 season. I will do the same this 2/14 season. But I am not happy about how this team has performed and it starts with Hurney. Look at our draft history folks. The record of a lack of performing draft picks says it all. I don't believe any team has drafted worse than us since Hurney arrived. Look who we left on the table and at how well many of those are performing for other teams. 2/14 will be horrible but looking at the schedule it is highly likely. Maybe then we can get a fresh start with a new general manager and coaches. Oh, and our former general manager, "bill polian" has done pretty good in Indianapolis. Ouch
Posted by: Loyal Panther Fan | Oct 1, 2007 2:29:24 PM
We are PSL Owners and let me ask you this question? What corporation could you work for that pays you over a million dollar salary that lets you keep your job when you do not perform? I look at the PSL Owners like they are the Board of Directors, but we as PSL Owners have absolutely no say. Mr. Richardson does not seem to care, nor does Mr. Fox; who does care? We as PSL Owners do care. We work hard for our money and we are required to give our hard earned money over to this organization and then Mr. Richardson or Mr. Fox feel they do not owe us any explantion. If they worked for Bank of America they would of been fired for not performing, but they don't expect that from their own organization. I understand why: Mr. Richardson has guarenteed money from PSL Owners so it doesn't matter if the fans show up or not he has already gotten paid. It doesn't matter what product he puts out on the field and as we all know this product STINKS. We have recently had recall of Mattel toys, Food Lion milk and now hamburger meat, why can't we have a recall of the Panthers?
Posted by: charleen | Oct 1, 2007 2:47:40 PM
Get rid of Jenkins right now, while you can. Get RB, LB or Safety asap. He wants a trade, give it to him. Play Marshall more. Have Williams run back punts and kickoffs, or at least kickoffs (had 2 or 3 carries Sunday). Get Jarret into the flow right now with picks and shield plays.
I watched Jenkins, Mr. Self-appointed fire and passion, stroll onto the field at the start of the half, helmet in hand, speaking to nobody, off by himself. It is easy to talk the talk, Kris. You seem to be a legend in your own mind.
Posted by: Willy | Oct 1, 2007 2:48:44 PM
Thought of something else...was Keyshawn a problem attitude-wise there?
I don't understand letting him go (I thought that back when they did it). At best, he could have produced and showed the youngsters the ropes (he talked about that on draft day before he was cut).
At worst, you do what Gruden did down here; take him off the active list (he couldn't have been paid much in the grand scheme of things).
I guess we all do dumb stuff sometimes...the Bucs sure have (i.e. signing Todd Steussie a couple of years ago!).
Posted by: Mr.T | Oct 1, 2007 2:57:16 PM
To Bryan D.
Where did you find $10 parking?
Posted by: lvislivs | Oct 1, 2007 3:29:43 PM
Willy has been saying what I've been thinking ever since Jenkins made his diatribe. It sounds to me like he said all this to the media not to get his team riled up, but to say to everybody criticizing the team "I know what the problem is, so don't yell at me anymore!"
Not to say that what Jenkins said doesn't have a grain of truth to it, but like Willy said, this is something said in the locker room, not on the soprts page of the newspaper.
Posted by: SlayerGhaleon | Oct 1, 2007 3:56:45 PM
Pat,
What the heck? This post is directly to you, if you read any of these posts. I have taken up for you and your co-worker, but this is the crapiest article I have ever wasted my time reading!! What did you have a diner date or something? I could have wrote an article that stated "Fox has no excuses or reasons for the panthers pitiful performance" then cut and paste Jenkins speach and posted that crap in 5 minutes. This is not journalism.
Why do I have to watch ESPN announcers to find out information you can not when you are right here? Morgan has a partially torn achilles tendon. They do not dream this information up all the time. You and your paper just take the blanket "he's day to day". Obviously someone has inside information. You and your paper should be breaking this information first!
Oh yeah, one more thing, what are these 10 line articles? Get some real information to the fans!
And yes I have lived in the Jacksonville Jags market, the San Diego Chargers market, the Orlando Magic market, and the Washington Redskins market... so I have read good informational articles and POOR articles!!
You have my email, I would love a reply, either on this public forum or a personal one!
Brian
Posted by: Brian | Oct 1, 2007 3:57:02 PM
Let's all give the coach some ideas? If I were coach
1. You have to play football aggressive - being "Fox" conservative finally catches you - and it has changed the attitude of the defensive players >
2. Play Peppers at middle linbacker. You are floating him anyway. Let him become the next Ray Lewis.
3. Blitz, Blitz, Blitz
4. Put Foster and Williams in the same backfield so they don't key on the one man rush. Everyone in the stadium knows what you are going to do >
5. Put Drew Carter on Kick return.
6. Put Williams on punt returns.
7. Morgan is gone - let go!!!!
8. The other team will do 3 Step drops the rest of the year - deal with it now.
9. Carr is good - give him quick reads!
10. Go "kick some ass" play calling!!!!
Any other ideas?
Posted by: Kelso | Oct 1, 2007 4:12:04 PM
Posted by: Kelso | Oct 1, 2007 4:13:16 PM
When does the regular season start? 2 and 2 in the preseason is nothing to get worked up about.
Besides the holes at
-#2 wideout
-Bringing back always hurt Dan Morgan
-No NFL safety on the roster
-No decent Kick Returner
-Foster fumbling every other carry
-No depth behind old, "coming off major knee injury" Mike Rucker
-Awful drafting over the last 4 years
I think Marty and Fox have done a fine job putting this team together
Posted by: Jerry Richardson | Oct 1, 2007 4:15:37 PM
I watched every minute of that game from my $74 PSL seat in section 119. I do mean every minute, as I stayed until the final gun. We we're so bad, I have trouble putting it down here. Our secondary is incapable of covering a 5 yard pass. They have been, in my opinion, for almost 2 years. The lack of pass rush is new, watching the plays unfold, I think Kris Jenkins comments were accurate, but I include him, too. I guess Mike Minter was more than just a cheerleader for the defense. It's just just possible the Panther's soul retired when he did! As for the offense, Steve Smith can't carry 10 guys. Our o-line gets whupped like a puppy every week! I can't decide if it's the players or the coaches, but Fox needs to find a way to address these problems or we're looking squarely at 2-14!!!
Posted by: Steve M. | Oct 1, 2007 4:18:59 PM
I have 10 seats 8 are on the front row in section 112, 110, 202 they are now on stub hub thats how PANTHER ELVIS responds to these overpaid, underacheiveing small town big shots who are all about me me me I I I. they can go futch themselves "big E" will be at home watching real teams play on TV.
Panther Elvis
Posted by: PANTHER ELVIS | Oct 1, 2007 4:26:53 PM
No heart! Some of the men on the field need a stern talking too.....wine and cheese crowd gets wine drinkin and cheese loving players!
Posted by: NOHEART | Oct 1, 2007 4:48:51 PM
Hey Panther Elvis, I was right there in section 111. How come we can't at least have beer sold by vendors in the aisles. It was brutally hot, and a cold beer or fifteen would sure have been good. I guess we want to pretend we don't sell beer, even though we do and keep a lot of money for it. If I have to watch this crap I at least want the option to do it through beer goggles.
Posted by: Willy | Oct 1, 2007 4:50:47 PM
Willy, you sir, are an idiot. Kris Jenkins is tied for first of all the defensive linemen for solo tackles with 10 (Maake also has 10), and has one of our 2 sacks (Kendall Moorehead has the other one). That is 25% more tackles than the next highest solo total on the D-line (Mike Rucker) and 43% more than Julius Peppers. He has 100% more sacks than those two combined.
To compare, Edwards and Boone for Kansas City (the best defense that plays a 4-3 so far this year by yds/game) have only 9 tackles and 1 sack BETWEEN them.
At Jacksonville, where they also play a 4-3, Stroud does have 12 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
In Tampa (the best defense by yds/game in the NFC this year), their two DT's have only 11 tackles between them as well (Hovan with 4, Haye with 7), with 2 sacks.
As a matter of fact, only 7 DT's have more tackles than Kris all year. Only 14 have more than 1 sack.
The man is playing his tail off, and the numbers actually PROVE this fact.
To help you put that into perspective, 36 D-Ends have more tackles than Rucker, 47 have more tackles than Peppers.
On the sack front, 34 D-Ends have more than 1 sack (the number Rucker has), and 64 have more than 0, the number Peppers has.
Actually do some research before you criticise someone, would you? Other wise, shut up.
Do some real research and know what you are talking about before you go spouting off about someone's attitude.
Posted by: stfu | Oct 1, 2007 4:59:40 PM
My appologies, I credited Rucker with a sack at the bottom of the post, when it was Moorehead. Rucker has a goose egg just like his counterpart Peppers.
Posted by: stfu | Oct 1, 2007 5:02:32 PM
I've had it with Fox and his, "we've got to to better, we've got to clean it up, we just didn't execute," ad nauseum. Will someone perhaps ask him some tough questions like, "are you concerned about your job?" or "Why don't you clear out your defensive coordinator's desk?" Maybe these types of questions would ignite a little emotion in a place where it's desperately needed -- THE HEAD COACH. Jenkins should get Turgovac's job today. One more thing about the fans. When I was at a home game last year, security actually escorted out 2 guys who painted their torsos in team colors. With that crap going on, don't ever look for the rowdiness we need in the stands. Starched white shirts and Nordstrom ties just don't bring out the noise!
Posted by: th | Oct 1, 2007 5:15:02 PM
stfu, or should I call you Kris. As my old stat professor used to say, figures don't lie but liars can figure. Going to percentages to differentiate between 10 tackles and 9 is pretty shady, even for you. If Kris were the great leader you say he is, he would have done all this stuff in private, but he would have gone right eye-to-eye with whoever he has a problem with. He is simply divisive. Just because you say he is doing great doens't mean he is. There were 30 running plays to either his left shoulder or his right shoulder on Sunday, and he made four tackles. Perhaps he should pick his tail, which he played off according to you, up and use it to help make some more tackles. Also, I guess your blindless kept you from seeing all those runs right up the middle. 189 yards rushing, or 89% more than 100. What Jenkins did was supposedly call people out, but what he didn't do was have a man to man talk with people before implying that they don't perform to his self-appointed standard. No team needs that stuff. I am not saying the defense doesn't have big problems, what I am saying is that Jenkins is no better than anyone else on that D, and even if he were if he is such a leader with so much passion he should talk to people one on one, not have a vague rant in the press. And, I didn't spout off about Jenkins attitude, he did that himself. So, if you will remove your head from Kris Jenkins butt divide, you will see 100% better.
Posted by: Willy | Oct 1, 2007 6:48:35 PM
Am I to assume that you have been there for all of the practice to know whether he called someone out face to face or not? Perhaps he has, and you don't know it. I wouldn't assume that he did, because we know what happens to people who assume.
What I do know, is that Kris Jenkins is about the only one on the defensive line tackling anybody beside Maake.
So, again, he is one of the best defensive tackles in the league.
If you think I have my head up Jenkins butt, so be it. At least I don't have my head up my own.
Posted by: stfu | Oct 1, 2007 7:34:21 PM
I moved to Charlotte in 2002 and I became a Panther fan the first year they were a team (1995). I used to be a Seahawks fan. Why is it that I always have to pick a team that seems to never go anywhere? I will always be a Panther fan...I wore my Panthers jacket everyday through the 1-15 season and took unbelieveable abuse. All I'd like to see from the team is a litte heart!! I saw no passion from that team on Sunday...that's what really bothered me. If they lost but actually tried, that would have been better.
Posted by: Dave H | Oct 2, 2007 4:26:12 AM
OK this is getting absolutely ridiculous. The fans are just as bad as the team. You do nothing but gripe about everything. You know what... I would like to see any of you go out and run a football team.
Coach Fox has been the best thing to ever happen to the Panthers... is he perfect?? is anybody?? He doesnt take crap. You dont see our guys going out and killing dogs, getting arrest for public drunkeness, shitting out of their mouth about anyone and anything... If you want to be a badass then you are off the team. And truth be told, no matter what Coach Fox says or does he cant force the players to play. He could bitch and moan and scream and yell till he turned blue and if the panthers dont have "heart" then it will be the same week after week. I for one love Coach Fox and the fact that he doesnt tolerate being ignorant.
OK as far as Peppers goes... maybe you guys should stop bashing the man and look at the signs...there is something wrong. This "illness" he had and lost all that weight. The coming off the field for chest pains. If you guys even cared one bit you would worry about him not bash him.
Jake Delhomme...did anyone notice that until he got hurt he was third in the NFL passers rating... 112% passer rating thats pretty damn good. And he is changing his flaws...he's running when he can instead of taking a sack. He is doing his part. Carr on the other hand had a passer rating of 60% something...thats absolutely pathetic.. He came into Panthers wanting to take Jakes job...well he showed me he has no talent to back up that cocky mouth of his. Carr honey those pretty looks wont always get you whatever you want.
As for the press/media.... get a life. You are just a bunch of guys who could never make it in the NFL... who love to bash someone that makes one little mistake. But yet if you were out on the field you would curl up in a little ball and cry for your mamas. No one HAS to speak to the press. You guys arent that special. IF you get to interview a player you should feel privileged...they dont owe you jack shit.
For the fans... y'all make me sick too. You do nothing but bash the team when things are bad. Being frustrated is one thing, but to plain out bash the entire team and coaching staff is childish. Sore losers!
Ya cant win them all. But as fans we can stand behind our team and let them know that we support them through thick and thin. Not walk out half way through a game cause we are losing. I wish the fans could be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Posted by: Amber | Oct 2, 2007 6:10:12 AM
So Amber, what position does you husband/brother/friend play??
Posted by: mattdaddy | Oct 2, 2007 6:58:45 AM
I think Kris jenkins has played his butt off this year! His comments are true You look at the panthers and it just looks like a lack effort and heart. It's like they don't care they just are collecting a check. That defense has too many good players to being playing so poorly. I think the only way to get better is to clean house! get rid of fox, trgovac and the special teams coach. I mean u have Nick Goings returning kicks he couldnt return a kickoff on Garinger. And julius peppers in coverage?? Let him loose on the QB. And I know that ken lucas and chris gamble should be at CMC getting treated for burns. They let everybody and anybody catch everything. Drew Carter and keary Colbert they are the worst recievers in the league!
Posted by: K.Snow | Oct 2, 2007 9:19:04 AM
Nice Post Amber. I live in Chapel Hill and Even if i did live in Charlotte, i can't imagine leaving a Panther game early EVER ! Fair weather fans make me sick. They are probably just NASCAR fans too (which is the sport of idiots). Oooooo watching pinheads speed around in a circle really fast shore makes ma beer taste dang good, YEE HAW! The only good thing that comes out of NASCAR is when a car flys off the track and reduces the number of welfare recipients in the stands.
Ive been watching football since the 70's and i was ELATED when my home state(NC) finally got a team. Its interesting to see how fast you "Chalotte-ites" throw Fox under the bus. I guess many of you havent been watching the Panthers long enough to remember 97,98,99,00, and 2001. Fox has taken the Panthers to the Superbowl and to the Championship game. But you NASCAR/football fans want immediate results and when we lost 69% of our offense in 2004, that simply wasnt possible. And when Jake went down and we were forced to start WEINKE (gads) whatever playoff aspirations for 2006 also went down the tubes. Carr playeed poorly against a very good defense and all i hear is how bad he is. Well here's the news. He's all we got for now (its likely Jake will be out for an extended period of time) So give the guy a chance before you throw him under the bus too.
Posted by: Zenmanship | Oct 2, 2007 9:49:32 AM
Zenmanship, a couple things:
1) We're called Charlotteans, not Charlotte-ites.
2) This blog is about football. Take the nascar chat elsewhere.
3) Since you live in Chapel Hill, you might not know that Charlotte is city of transplants. It's nothing like it used to be. It changes everyday, and so does the fanbase that lives here. Many games you'll find a significant base for the other team that now reside here. Ex: Steelers fans are huge here. They must've moved down in droves the way they represent in Charlotte. So, if you're going to complain about the fans, why don't you help us out? We need more NC fans like you to show up and stay late. Because Charlotte is now the capital of Ohio, Pennsylvania, NY, etc. Or so it seems. If you're from here, help us represent. Show up on gameday, bring your friends. You can complain all you want, or you can do something about it.
Posted by: Katie | Oct 2, 2007 11:41:16 AM
zenmanship??? stfu idiot. your a redskins fan it's obvious and you jumped on the bandwagon in 2003. you too amber, i know your type. showing up at the fox and hound wearing a pink 89 jersey because he is the only player on the team you have heard of. i have been a panthers fan since 1993.. yes i said 1993 when the richardsons and charlotte were awarded the franchise.i went to the panthers first ever home game on september 17, 1995. did you? no you were at home watching the redskins. i have the right to say what i want. when i want to who i want about anybody i want regarding the panthers organization. the bottom line is, i was here BEFORE any of the players, and i will be here long after steve smith,peppers,jake and everybody else is retired and long gone. i have the right to bitch and complain about my team. that's what loyal fans do son. the ones that care raise hell when the team plays like shit,and raises hell when they win as well. a loyal fan will never be happy.you want to talk panthers football to me? well you better go download the e-book football for dummies, and wickepedia the panthers and learn first,get off the bandwagon then talk panthers football to me, SON!!!!!!!!
Posted by: panther guru | Oct 2, 2007 11:46:40 AM
Ok first and foremost... I dont even live in NC... I live in PA. I have been a panther fan since day one. Not a Steelers and sure as hell not an Eagles. I remember the don capers days.... I did live in NC for about 6 years. But I have always followed my panthers... I pay $300 plus every year for Sunday Ticket JUST so I can watch every game. I cant afford to go to games. But I would never miss a one. And you wanna talk to me about true fans blah blah blah... call it stupid whatever but my first born son's name is Jacob Bradley after Jake Delhomme and Brad Hoover. And PINK??!!! sorry no, funny thing is my mom and I were just talking about how gay it is to wear pink jerseys and what not...this fan only wears panthers colors thank you very much.
Posted by: Amber | Oct 2, 2007 12:24:25 PM
It's my turn to speak out a little bit here too. And yep, I can guarantee you that Amber's posts are truly coming from her heart. How do I know this???? I'm her Momma and I taught her well how to be a REAL fan of a team. See when we moved to NC (she now lives in PA with her beautiful young family) we were so excited to have a NFL team coming into our area. I was raised on football and all sports because my brothers were in sports. And I do know football. It is my favorite sport. And Carolina Panther Football is my passion!!!!
I go to the home games. Not every one of them, but to several of them every year. And I will be along with several other Panther fans when we head to TN next month for the Titans/Panthers game. Have we ever left a game early because we were disappointed?...Hell no!!!! Have we ever booed OUR team because we were disgusted?? Hell no!!!!! We stay there and we continue to cheer on our guys. Why???? Because we love our Panthers and we are determined to let them know that we are NOT fair weather fans!! Never have been, never will be!!!!
As far as Amber's Panther wardrobe: I know exactly what her and her entire family has in Panther clothes, souvenirs, collectibles!!! Amber in a PINK Smitty jersey?...Nope!!! Nada, nilch!!!
As far as being true Carolina Panther Blue fans, Amber sent a wonderful little article to the Panthers site last season. It included pics of her and I celebrating another Panther playoff win, donned in Jake jerseys and proud as can be! The article also included pics of my granddaughter in a Topcats outfit and my grandson in a Jake jersey. My other granddaughter has the Dan Morgan shirt. All autographed by some of our Favorite Panthers players last season during training camp. Those are now proudly hanging on my granchildren's bedroom walls.
Anyway, the article Amber submitted became a showcase article for the Fanattic!!! And I have the proof of that. Several copies were printed and laminated to add to our huge collection of Panther gear. Also, WSOC TV even had a slideshow going last season and every time they showed it on their news, it showed a picture of my granddaughter in her Topcats outfit, holding her Panther cheerleader doll. That pic was also the first pic anyone saw when they viewed the slideshow.
So are we fair weather fans????? Not on your life!
When we went to training camp last year, I introduced Jake Delhomme to his namesake (so to speak). He smiled and said "I wish I had his blue eyes". I replied that my grandson had Brad Hoover's blue eyes and Jake's ragin' Cajun attitude. And then when I introduced Brad Hoover to him, he smiled and said "He has my blue eyes"....So yes, we treasure that day, we treasure the autographs, we treasure the conversations with all of the Panthers players that we met that day........AND we support our Carolina Panthers 110%!!! Through the good times and the bad. Through the trials and the jubilations!!!
If I am at home watching the game (here in NC) I watch it with Amber and her family via the telephone. And yes, when one of our guys is hurt, we are on the floor with tears in our eyes. Remember when Jake took that hit that knocked him out cold a couple seasons ago? Well, we were in tears!!
When Jake got hurt last year, same deal!!! And now that Jake is going through this injury, we continue to pray that he can soon return to the game.
Yes, I will be the first to admit that David Carr's mouth and excitement has so far outlasted his performance. And last Sunday when OUR Offense got the ball, I said it's time to show us, not just talk about it. And I was disappointed in Carr's delivery! But I continued to say throughout the game "We are with you David. Come'on babe, we are with you". Yes, I was disappointed in the outcome of the game. But I was beyond disappointed in the fair weather fans. The booing has got to stop!!! The leaving the game just because the results are not to your liking has got to stop!!!! I have been known to ruffle some feathers of those "fans" sitting in the stadium more than once. And last Sunday was no exception. I make sure the booers know that I am disgusted with their actions. And I increase my cheering level in order to try to drown out the booing!!!
I was also in the stadium 2 weeks ago when our Panthers were 4th and 1 and going for it. What was the reaction from the fair weather fans???? It was thunderous, and then boos!!! Why? Because fair weather fans are obviously not intelligent enough to know that when your Offense is setting up for a play, you are QUIET!!!!!! Jake could not hear well enough to get the play in motion and was forced a delay of game penalty...Why?....Tell me why!!! It's the lack of intelligence from the game goers that forced that delay of game.
Use some common sense if you are a REAL fan. Learn from watching those around you. If your Offense is setting up a play, Shush it would ya?
And when your Defense is going to try to stop the opponents, for crying out loud, help them out!!!! Make the noise that stops the run, the drive!!!!
Learn the rules and learn to be a TRUE Carolina Panther Blue FAN!!!!
Twice now, I have written a well thought out letter to the Editor to the Charlotte Observer. Once last season, and again after the loss to the Texans. Why? To share my upset about fair weather fans. I have yet to see the Charlotte Observer opt to print my thoughts. Maybe they are afraid of ruffling the feathers of those that are so spoiled that they can not deal with the reality of NOT always getting what they want!!!
As for the injuries and the bad mouthing our Coaching Staff and our players....I am even more appalled with those "fans"....How dare anyone demand heads start rolling just because of a disappointing game!!!
I suppose some of you naysayers are relishing that Nick Goings got a concussion last Sunday!!! I suppose some are even glad to hear that Dan Morgan is out too!!!! And I suppose some are just dying to hear that Peppers will be sidelined if he doesn't perform to their expectations!!!
About half way through last season, I told Amber that I thought Peppers was ill. He didn't look good. He didn't have that sneer on his face. That cat that ate the canary look. That smile that said I am coming to get you!!!! And I still feel that way now. I am seriously concerned that there is something going on with Peppers, healthwise. And what do I do about that? I pray!!!!!! that his good health returns and that beautiful grin and the vibrance in his eyes returns....Because I love OUR guys.
As for last season, Amber and I were among those that were so appalled when the cameras showed Dan Henning in his fancy smancy booth partying it up when our Offense was struggling, that we emailed our disgust in his actions to the Panthers. I know we were among many that were calling for a change....And we got that change....Thank God!!!! I even reported to the Panthers in that email that the problem with Dan Henning and the problems our Offense was having was a result of "Repetive Predictablity"...When the opposing teams fans are sitting in OUR stadium and can call OUR Offense's play, that is what you have!!!! It worked before, so why can't it work forever?...Repetitive Predictability!!!! We all know that teams and coaches review tapes over and over in order to figure out how to beat an opponent. Well, if you give them the same thing every friggin' time, it's not hard to figure out how to accomplish exactly that.
Now we have a new Offensive Coordinator and a new plan in place. All GOOD things take time!!!!!
Do I except immediate gratification in the changes the Panthers have made? It would be nice, but it would be a pipe dream!! Give things a chance to develop!!!
I remember when Jake Delhomme first took the field for the Carolina Panthers in preseason several years ago. I couldn't believe the difference in the way the Offense reacted to having Jake at the helm!! At the time, I didn't even know how to pronounce his last name. But neither did the announcers!!! But it didn't take me long to figure it out!!! I loved the reaction, the intensity, the Ragin' Cajun attitude our Panthers had when Jake was at the wheel.
I remember last season when those fair weather fans were screaming to bench Jake Delhomme!!! Well, they got it when Jake got hurt. And we got Weinke. Yes, Chris Weinke was good at one time, a prior time. But it didn't take long for things to start falling apart on Offense. And wow, what a great relief when Jake was ready to take the field again. Back to victories, back to the BIG W's!!!
So anyone wishing Jake would just disappear...Read the stats people!!!! Jake has done a GREAT deal for our Panthers and was ranked great in the NFL before this injury. So give that a rest!!!!!
Is Jake the greatest QB to ever walk on an NFL field? Nope, but he is the best that we have here. And until someone can come forward that is WELL beyond our very capable Jake, leave it alone!!!! I love that guy!!! And the worst thing I have seen happen to Jake was when those fair weather fans were demanding that Coach Fox calm Jake down!!!! Calm him down???? No way!!! I want that Ragin' Cajun Attitude!!! Every game, every play!!!!
I was disappointed that Taye Biddle was released. He went on to Tampa Bay...Nope, they haven't played him yet from what I have seen. And I think that is a waste of a great receiver!!!
Yes, I have been disappointed in some choices that have been made in our Carolina Panthers team and coaching staff. But I will never turn my back on them, never boo them, and never walk away disgruntled!!!!
The Carolina Panthers are MY team, MY NFL passion!!! I will NOT turn my back on them!!!
More than 'nuff said!!!! Gooooooooo Panthers!!! I am with you every step of the way!!!
Posted by: Brenda | Oct 2, 2007 1:38:59 PM
hey Thanks for the replies...Im case anyone is interested, Zenmanship is also my screen name on TSN ( The sporting news) and i frequently make posts about the Panthers.
If you DO get an account there (its free) and send me a message, I WILL reply...
Panther Guru- you are COMPLETELY wrong. (and kinda annoying)I HATE the Redskins with a PASSION. I really can't say that strongly enough. And if you actually know as much about the Panthers as you claim, you too should hate the Redskins. They were the team that kept the Panthers from being the first expansion team ever to go 8-8. They were also the Panthers first loss in Charlotte after having a perfect season at home in 1996. Even in 2001 I took loads of ribbing about how horrible the Panthers were but i still wore my Panther jacket after every sunday game. Sorry about the NASCAR rant. Ive got friends that are into that crap. But i will say again that fairweather fans make me sick. Im ridiculously poor but i borrowed money so i will be in Charlotte on Nov 11th to watch the Panthers pound the Fuggin Falcons. Ill be in the 500 section (my friend that loaned me the cash to go see them and he has the tix, So i dont know the exact seat) But ill be the dude up there in the nosebleeds wearing a Panther Shirt & Jacket (of course) and a Tarheel cap.
Posted by: Zenmanship | Oct 2, 2007 3:16:55 PM
I think I need to add a few more thoughts here.
John Fox: He is a man of little media information. I admire him for that. He does demand respectable men off the field too. Also an admirable quality. We don't need those pregnant g/f killers and the dog fighting idiots and drunk drivers. I applaud him for that. Act that way and you are gone!!! Demand too much money, you are also gone!!! Hat's off to him for that.
What many people probably fail to see is that John Fox also feels there is no need to publicly humiliate anyone!!! Publicl humiliation does NOT improve anything.
But I have seen many times when a Panther player has made a crucial mistake and John Fox merely gives that "I will deal with you later" look. No need to be a Bill Parcells bafoon and act like an Andy Reid meltdown in front of fans, teammates and the entire camera crew, commentators and viewers. I whole heartedly applaud John Fox for that.
Just because John Fox doesn't rant and rave in front of a camera does NOT mean that his points are not made and understood.
I also applaud Kris for stating his feelings and not being afraid to show his emotions.
But please people, when our Panthers, OUR team is reeling in a difficult quarter, or down or game, don't throw them to the sharks. Instead, reel them in with the bait of realizing that we do NOT expect perfection every moment. After all, if I was as good as any one of them, I'd be on the roster beside them. If I was an NFL athlete, I'd be on that field right beside them....I'm not, so instead I am right there with them all the way!!!
I've even suggested, via emails to the panthers email addy that the Panthers need to make Eve To Adam's song "No Regret" their fight song/their Panthers Pride song. To no avail....What a shame, because that song will make anyone want to give their all....If you don't believe me, go to either www.evetoadam.com or to their myspace addy @ myspace/evetoadam and click on their "No Regret" in their music box....It's about giving it all and having no regret for the actions you have taken.
"No Regret" is due to be released as a single next month and I hope maybe then at least some of the Panthers will hear it and realize that IS the way they want to live their lives, that is the way they want to approach each game, each play, bar none!!!
Posted by: Brenda | Oct 2, 2007 4:32:34 PM
Perhaps Coach Fox is putting more effort into building his new Lake house rather than concentrating on building the Panthers! He needs to stop pitty-pattying the players on the butt when they come off the field after each hapless effort. Here's an excellent idea! Since the coaches want to keep dropping Peppers back in coverage, move him to "middle linebacker"!!! Can you see a bigger, faster (and could be badder) version of the Ravens middle linebacker?!!!
Posted by: Gary McNeil | Oct 3, 2007 8:37:44 AM
Looks like last years team except more TALLENT and UNDER ACHEVING playing down to the level of competition by under-estimating consistantly...in other words our coachind staff stinks ,players coaches like fox always seem to re-gress after peaking more than whip crackers do ,seem familar.The nfl constantly changes it's not a I THINK we be will good enough (player,coach wise) it's I KNOW we will league jeff davidson has improved the team but i don't think he is playing with a open book to call plays(fox waters down the plays) except for a few plays we ran basically close to last years scheme on offense but not enough to make the other teams go now thats diferent to keep there defense off balance.defense wise puuh-lease were were awful stayed in the base 4-3 way too much i mean when there not even thinking twice about throwing on 4th and short i mean your not getting it more nickel even 6 db's if you have jam andre johnson with 2 db's too get the ball away from him and cover the tight ends a little more aggressively, do it don't just keep calling man to man and him on a lb come on turgovac.Like i said better team same coaches and you can bet if this continues we will miss the play-offs again by 1-2 games beat the better teams ,lose to the ones's we can beat and never win a must win game.The panthers have one of the most tallented teams on paper but the coaches(fox,turgovac) CANNOT ADAPT to an ever changing game to game year to year there always one step behind to predictable? yes can they improve? doubt-ful.coach fox needs to make a defensive coordinator change in a last gasp attempt to save his job ,this team does not need a lame duck situation facing them the rest of the year a 180* turn-around atitude/scheme wise is what's needed now ,not 2wks not 1/2 way ,and damn sure not at the end of the season....uhhhmm MARTY HURNEY are you paying attention during games or are you going over the honey-do list and playing pac-man on your cell phone.After the coaches get done chewing on the players it's YOUR JOB to chew on some coaches...or does ALL ACCOUNTABLE make you pee down both legs?
Posted by: rm | Oct 3, 2007 3:11:25 PM
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