November 26, 2007
Fox: Report about decision to sign Carr not true
John Fox disputed a statement made by Fox television’s Brian Baldinger during Sunday’s game that signing quarterback David Carr was not the coach’s decision and that it was force on him by management.
"That’s not true," Fox said Monday. "It wasn’t said by me. Basically, we do every personnel decision around here with a process and I’m part of that process. So that’s not true."
In the same news conference, Fox also said Vinny Testaverde will be the starting quarterback Sunday against San Francisco, if he’s healthy enough to get on the field.
Posted by Observer Sports on November 26, 2007 at 01:10 PM | Permalink
JOHN FOX is such a dipsht. We can't get rid of him and Hurney fast enough.
Watching this team play is like watching Pop Warner.
Posted by: jpw | Nov 26, 2007 1:14:27 PM
The hard truth is that this Carolina Panthers team is simply not talented with many veterans who lost a step. The teams in 2003 & 2005 were not very talented (though much more than this squad) and John Fox deserves credit for advancing in playoffs with mediocre offensive lines and a journeyman QB.
The Panthers problem is they simply do not draft skillfully. GM Marty Hurney is a terrible evaluator of talent and this team has had too many 2nd - 3rd - 4th round draft choice busts over last few years to remain competitive. Get a GM like New England's Scott Pioli or Philadelphia's Tom Heckert then demand Fox to only focus on game day coaching & skill development.
I think John Fox is a good coach. The talent he is to work with is terrible including that attitudes of some players like Julius Peppers who is blessed with athleticism yet plays with no passion. Get Fox talent such as a team with 7 pro-bowlers and this guy can deliver.
Think about this; had John Fox been the coach of the San Diego Chargers, a team with 9 pro-bowlers, last year I have no doubt they would have advanced in the playoffs.
Players - Talent wins games. And GM Marty Hurney plus Panthers scouting department is lousy at evaluating it. Fire Hurney now and get a GM who can draft great.
Posted by: Matt | Nov 26, 2007 1:42:19 PM
"Think about this; had John Fox been the coach of the San Diego Chargers, a team with 9 pro-bowlers, last year I have no doubt they would have advanced in the playoffs."
I do not agree. Yes the Chargers had good players, but a lot of the reason for them winning was that their coach put them in position to win. The coaches have to make good play calls and lead the team. I don't think our players have confidence in Fox or his staff. If Fox coached the Chargers like he coaches the Panthers, they certainly would not have won as many games. Talent is a big deal, but the coach has to put that talent in a position to succeed. Fox does not do that anymore.
Posted by: Matt West | Nov 26, 2007 1:59:36 PM
For Fox to say Vinny will start against San Francisco shows his lack of commitment to the future and the present. He is just being bullheaded now. Excessive pride destroyed many a hero in mythology, and Fox is oozing with it at this point. I still don't get why none of you media folks talk to Richardson. Or at least let us know if you ask to talk to him and he refuses. Everyone blames Fox, et al, I blame the owners. He is hooked on that PSL crack, he gets paid no matter what he puts on the field, and then somehow gets to insulate himself from the people that put the money in his pockets. He needs to stand up and answer questions about the future of this franchise, so I can figure out if I hold my tickets and hope for next year or just sell them and give up. Season Bobcats tickets are looking like a pretty good option, and with baseball coming downtown, the sports dollar, which does have a limit believe it or not, can only be sliced up so many ways. These guys better open their eyes and at least try to make the experience of the game fun and entertaining. Having to sit in this overly-regulated, totally boring venue with its attempt to impose the owner's sense of morality on the 70,000 or so people there is well past old at this point. If I could afford it, I would get drunk at the next game just to have something to do.
Posted by: Willy | Nov 26, 2007 2:10:54 PM
Do you honestly believe this Panthers team with a terrible O-line and no QB has the talent to win even if coach Fox masterfully put them in a position to win. Hell, getting 4 wins from this group of low talent underachievers is an accomplishment. While John Fox's game day coaching performance the last two seasons is less than 2003-5, it is undeniable he has delivered in playoff games with often inferior talent. Fox who has a 5-2 playoff record would have put the Chargers in a better position to win that playoff game than Schottenheimer.
You can put Bill Belichick or Joe Gibbs in his prime as coach of this team and they are not gonna win either.
Mr. West, ask yourself this: What if Carolina Panthers had Chargers GM A.J. Smith last few years instead of Moron Marty Hurney? Just imagine how successful our Panthers would have been.
The problem is drafting - GM Marty Hurney not the coach John Fox who has delivered the goods in playoff games.
Posted by: Matt | Nov 26, 2007 2:12:31 PM
Another thing. Can you please comment on your impressions of David Carr at his press conference? Again, trying to be funny with his explanation of hearing the crowd chant Moore. Did he have his skateboard with him? Nice hat..dumbass.
Posted by: Willy | Nov 26, 2007 2:18:28 PM
the problem for you is that Fox is in on all personel decisions as well. He's just as responsible for the bad drafts and bad FA signings as the rest of them.
Posted by: Schroll | Nov 26, 2007 2:22:02 PM
Regardless of whether Fox wanted Carr or not, bottom line is Carr is not an NFL caliber QB. He doesnt move well; he doesnt handle the pocket well at all; his ball trajectory at 30 yards and in is an arc that buys the defense time to get inbetween the ball; and finally he doesnt read the field well. In short, the best the Panthers can do is cut him at end of season, pay him out and open a roster spot. I'd be shocked if anyone in the NFL will pick him up so in short, this will likely be his last season in the NFL. He will likely go to Arena Football where he is likely to have an otherwise rewarding career. Good luck Carr and good riddens!
Posted by: Bob | Nov 26, 2007 2:31:01 PM
Release Carr now, yes, pay him to go away. The team would be better off without him on it. You have to pay him anyway, pay him to stay home. He can spend more time at the GAP and hanging out with his buds at the mall.
Posted by: Willy | Nov 26, 2007 2:35:51 PM
He probably picked up that "you were just a fraction of an inch off" line at home.
Posted by: Willy | Nov 26, 2007 2:39:46 PM
Hurney has been questionable, if you look at his whole tenure, he's made decent moves like bringing in Jake, Steven Davis, Stuessie, Donnaley, Marlon Mcree, Mark Fields, Rickey Proehl, Ricky Manning, not resigning Moose, Resigning Steve Smith, drafting Beason, drafting Richard Marshall; unfortunately for him and the team, his poorer moves have come more recently like signing Maake, Morgan, Diggs, not addressing the safety and receiver issue, resigning Foster, drafting Lefors, Shelton, letting Jovan Haye walk, bringing in Carr, etc...Honestly, I do believe the man knows his football and knows how to manage the cap fairly well and get guys signed, but whoever is evaluating this talent in free agency and the draft is not very bright.
Posted by: mathiiasdaddias | Nov 26, 2007 2:46:14 PM
A quote from Peter King's Monday Morning QB column on SI.com: "David Carr: 2-for-10 for 14 yards and a pick in the first half against New Orleans. Rating: 0.0. He's got about a month left as a Panther. If that long." Wow!!
Posted by: Steve Panther | Nov 26, 2007 3:23:36 PM
David Carr is a nice guy, maybe even too nice to lead an NFL franchise with enough competitive fire to will his team to win in this league. When you start a geriatric Testaverde over the rest of your options, it is a terrible indictment to think he gives you the best chance to win. But, frankly, this team has given up. There is no run game, no pass rush, no secondary play, a sieve-like O-line. This team is demanding wholesale changes. And I don't believe John Fox is ready to bring it. Despite what everybody says. He knows the writing is on the wall. He is going to have to change, or the Richardsons are going to change him. Drafting a franchise QB will go a long way. But maybe the teams needs a breath of fresh air. If Hurney and Fox are replaced. It would be a great situation for a Pete Carroll to step into. The Panthers have the pieces in place like Smith, Peppers and Beason (plus a few ex-Trojans) to make a very rapid turn around. They just need the right leadership.
Posted by: Dave | Nov 26, 2007 3:24:06 PM
Brian Baldinger also said in the game that David Carr has proven he can't play as a Texan and now as a Panther. He didn't understand why Fox was making Moore wait to prove he could play while his QB on the field has proven he can't. This is why you develop your talent throughout the year. It is the coaches fault that Jarret is not a weapon now, that Moore hasn't gotten chances beyond mop up, etc. Vinny was a nice story, keep him as the backup, release Carr, bring Moore along. The kid has a lot of arm strength. His interception bounced off of a Panther, it wasn't the toss it up for grabs interception that Carr threw. And Foster, they are making a prequel to Predator so you can get your acting job back that shows you before that monster obliterated you. "Up there, in those trees"
Posted by: Willy | Nov 26, 2007 3:46:13 PM
There is still an outside chance for making the playoffs. Testaverde gives us the best chance. If he is unable then Moore should finish the season. Number one priority will be to acquire a franchise QB for the 08 season!
Posted by: Bob | Nov 26, 2007 4:10:28 PM
FOX IS A DECENT GUY AND AN AVERAGE COACH, BUT A VERY POOR MANAGER. HE HAS TO FIRE THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH, RECEIVERS COACH AND DEFENSEIVE COACHES. THESE GUYS CANNOT DEVELOPE TALENT AND THEIR TEAMS PLAY WITH NO PASSION. ALL OF OUR SCHEMES ARE SIMPLE, PASS ROUTES ARE HORRIBLE, NO SLANTS OR SHORT OVER THE MIDDLE, IT IS EITHER LONG LEFT OR RIGHT OR OUTS TO THE SIDELINES. EVERY OTHER TEAM HAS THEIR #1,#2 AND # 3 STARTING, OURS DO NOT EVEN DRESS, EXCEPT BEASON WHO IS GREAT. THIS TEAM PLAYS WITH NO DECEPTION EXCEPT WITH US PSL OWNERS.
Posted by: fRANK cZANIECKI | Nov 26, 2007 4:12:11 PM
You are right on! We never throw slants or those curls out of the bacfield over the middle. Every team we play kills us with them. Favre and Brady feeds on them!
Posted by: Bob | Nov 26, 2007 4:19:08 PM
David Carr needs to be arrested for grand larceny after stealing 3 million dollars from Jerry Richardson. Why can't they pay me 3 milion a season to be the worst quarterback of all-time? At least I'd try and look concerned after throwing games better point shavers. I wish personal ruin upon David Carr, an injury would be too nice. I want him to lose everything. He has ruined my year and this team. I thought 2001 would be the hardest season ever to watch but I was wrong. Where's George Seifert when you need him? (I'm sorry, that was uncalled for, but the point remains the same)
Posted by: Al | Nov 26, 2007 4:34:56 PM
Matt (no last name)
I agree that Hurney is a problem. I think Hurney, Fox, Trgovac, Davidson, and whoever the special teams coach is needs to go.
Fire Hurney and Fox and then let the new head coach bring in his own staff.
Posted by: Matt West | Nov 26, 2007 4:36:23 PM
This site explains it all
Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 26, 2007 4:40:42 PM
But Fox is in on all personal decisions and he has to go as well.
To say that Fox would have taken the Chargers deeper in the playoffs than Marty did is simply ridiculous. That statement is nothing more than hollow conjecture.
Posted by: Matt West | Nov 26, 2007 4:40:48 PM
Matt, not Matt West, makes more sense. Personnel moves are the primary responsillity of scouts and management (and Owners. Yes, Fox has the final say so (allegedly), but he is only one person... that has done a brilliant job with what he has had to work with!!! Had he had a Kevin Greene, Reggie White or any number of high profile signings this team has made in the past things would be different. We have already seen what he can do with a good offensive line (Donnalley, Stussie, Mitchell that were from the Seifert era), and how he's managed to get good talent for a great deal such as Stephen Davis! But everything bad that happens is being blamed on him, because these hacks have an agenda!! Yeah, the record and performances suck, but the hacks and their flunkies (the alleged Panther "fans") have more to do with that than they want to admit!!! Panthers can't win at home because their fans suck (and always have)! Fox is diplomatic enough to not say that, but he should. If your fans are booing you on a regular basis, then you will want to go elsewhere. And that is the team morale from the get-go, thanks to some of you people. Like I said, you people don't deserve an NFL franchise!
Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 26, 2007 4:55:31 PM
Again, This ad says it all---
Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 26, 2007 4:57:09 PM
Wake up and smell the tobacco, you creeps! Five of the seven losses this year took place at home. So much for home fild advantage. It's more like a disadvantage, thanks to the "fans!"
Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 26, 2007 5:10:33 PM
I mean, get a clue already!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 26, 2007 5:11:09 PM
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