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November 29, 2007

Testaverde or ... who?

   John Fox has made it very clear that Vinny Testaverde (if healthy) will be the starting quarterback Sunday against San Francisco. But what if Testaverde's not healthy?

   In typical Fox fashion, he wouldn't divulge if David Carr or Matt Moore would get the nod. After last week's debacle against New Orleans, common sense would say it's no longer a given that Carr is ahead of Moore on the depth chart.

-- Pat Yasinskas

Posted by Observer Sports on November 29, 2007 at 11:32 AM | Permalink


Common sense can be a rare thing sometimes...

Posted by: KCPanther | Nov 29, 2007 12:23:14 PM

I will bet Stan's combover that there is no way the uber conservative Fox puts Moore over Carr in the depth chart. Makes the owners and general manager look like total morons for spending 3 million per year on Carr (even moreso than having a 44 year-old who has never actually won deep into the playoffs start over him).

Posted by: Willy | Nov 29, 2007 12:37:34 PM

The season is over for us, why start Vinny or Carr. "Common sense" would say start Moore and see if he is a reliable backup quarterback or not. But as mentioned earlier common sense is rare in Carolina country.

Posted by: Anthony G | Nov 29, 2007 2:28:17 PM

Absolutely...you have to throw a rookie in for a start to see how good of a backup he is. Wait a minute, though...we've already seen what he does as a backup. Deep jump ball that the receiver makes a play on, overthrow, pick.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Nov 29, 2007 2:37:13 PM

Carr is a total loser with no team support. After his performance this year he couldnt secure a starting spot in Arena Football. To even consider starting him would not only lack common sense, buit would bury Fox's fan support (what litlle is left) for ever all all but assure that he is fired at seasons end. This is no long about looking stupid...its about saving jobs as well as reputation. Even if Fox is fired, any new team is going to evaluate him on the quality of thinking...esp during tough times. I have no doubt, if Vinny cant play...Moore gets the nod...for all the right and perhaps, not so right reasons. But for sure...Carr's career in Charlotte is over...and perhaps his NFL career as well

Posted by: Bob | Nov 29, 2007 2:50:05 PM

PS...rumble that past few days from people close to the Richardson Group, is the boss is so mad at Fox and Hurney he cant see straight. It appears that not only for poor performance but more importantly the lack of quality recruiting. If nothing dramatically changes, the team has no place to go but further down. Outside of Beason, the rookies under Fox/Hurney have not come even close to panning out leaving no "upside" future for team building. Whatever the Richardsons decide, as fans we need to stand behind, very repectfully and support them. As tough as all this is on the fans, one can only imagine what its doing to Jerry Richardon and his wife. But for sure, if the Richardson have to unload the Coaching, unload nonperformers PLUS cut big contracts on the likes of Fox ($15 million) and Carr ($10million)and a few others...dont plan on seeing any new TV scoreboards in the near future.....

Posted by: Bob | Nov 29, 2007 3:05:56 PM

My money says that if we dont win on Sunday we dont win another game all year. This is our last shot and really only shot at winning a game since the rest of our schedule contains playoff teams.
Of course the upshot is that Fox digs his own grave despite whatever hamhanded excuses he coughs up about injuries to Delhomme (wanst Carr supposed to be insurance against that - oh yeah, Teflon John says now it wasnt his choice to bring him in ....).

Posted by: Ben | Nov 29, 2007 3:17:01 PM

Come on Procton! I've only been pressed in to emergency duty a handful of times and have usually conducted late drives when my team is already screwed and the defense is teeing off on the pass. I even got a trash pick for throwing a hail mary at the end of a game for the only play I was in because the old man can't chuck it like I can. Surely I'm worth a first quarter look when the team is still in the game and the players aren't laughing it up on the sideline yet! Heck, I've never even had the opportunity to work with and try to establish a running game to keep the defense honest, that was usually long gone before I took a snap.

Posted by: Matt Moore | Nov 29, 2007 3:39:21 PM

.I say we start Procton

Posted by: steve | Nov 29, 2007 4:50:06 PM

Fox should be fired if he plays Carr period.

Posted by: steve | Nov 29, 2007 4:51:04 PM

Can't you talk about anything else Pat. You should have been a U.S. senator with all this lobbying that you're doing!!! The problem is simple--- your hack posts and mismanagement.... this video says it all

Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 29, 2007 4:59:35 PM

Now tell me--- is this part of their contract too?? Were they forced to agree to doing this kind of emabarrasing thing in order to get their extensions? Now that would be real news!!!!! Do some real investigating, hack!

Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 29, 2007 5:01:10 PM

Where is the reverand Al when you need him!?! Smith eating chicken and running away from the police...!?! Did he have to agree to this to get his contract??

Posted by: SYRPIS | Nov 29, 2007 5:03:10 PM

Seriously, are you really hung up on the idea that doing these silly commercials is the reason this team is very bad?

It sure hasn't hurt Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and for that matter, there is at least one members of most NFL teams who appear in local commercials, dont act like the Panthers are the first team to take part in this.

Posted by: Huckabee | Nov 29, 2007 5:22:41 PM

The way you get to Richardson is boycott games. If you sell your tickets to cowboy fans they will buy alot of beer and Jerry wins PERIOD BOYCOTT

Posted by: steve | Nov 29, 2007 6:22:04 PM

The new issue of Sporting News has a nice article about how bad Carr is!

Posted by: Matt West | Nov 29, 2007 7:13:17 PM

An article about how bad David Carr is? I'm sure you must be talking about this week's issue of "No Sh!t Magazine".

Posted by: Read All About It | Nov 29, 2007 9:51:05 PM


Posted by: ANDY | Nov 29, 2007 10:19:48 PM

If you had bothered to watch all of the Bojangles' commercials, SYRPIS, you would have noticed that they're not discriminatory in the slightest... they're just lame.

I'm sure that if Mr. Smith believed that there was any racial stereotyping at all involved, that he would have whole-heartedly objected, and there would have been a huge write-up in S.I. or USA Today.

Please tell us all that you're really not that dumb--that in reality you’ve only just stepped off of the short bus at the wrong stop.

Why don’t you cease your idiotic blathering, or at least try to make a statement that isn’t, in some way or another, entirely foolish.

Posted by: hillbilly | Nov 29, 2007 10:46:00 PM

I love how you continue to blame Carr for things like Foster's negative rushing yards and fumbles.

Sell more papers. Good job.

Posted by: Ryan | Nov 29, 2007 11:25:17 PM



The coach MUST instill an attitude in the playerz. They are not your friends that you surf with, they are your employees. The mentality has to be "you perform, or you ride the pine" not the "It's OK, buddy, you'll get 'em next time" approach.


It's time to overhaul


GET A COACH THAT PREACHES INTENSITY and knows how to get the most from your talent (Bill Cowher or Jason Garrett)

MAKE SOME BOLD MOVES IN THE DRAFT. Trade up instead of down (Darren McFadden)

GET SOME YOUNG, PROVEN COORDINATORS that follow the intensity manuscript.
The Davidson/Henning clone is a joke (YOU'RE WELCOME CLEVELAND!)....
the defensive coordinator is so lacking intensity...he's scared to blitz for god's sake!...BUT HE'S JOHN FOX'S BUDDY.

(what have we seen from our Offensive line coach?...Special teams?....Defensive line?...Secondary?....Richard Williamson?...Running Backs?....the only one worth a shit is the strength and conditioning guy (but I'm starting to doubt him, too)

NOW TO THE PRESIDENT--------------

Your silver spoon life has been great; I'm sure. You must be the "Big Man In Town".
I'm very proud of ya! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT FROM SHINOLA WHEN IT COMES TO RUNNING A NFL TEAM. Do us all a favor, let someone qualified run this team. You can still hang out in Morton's and talk yer talk, but let an NFL person run the team. Your Daddy will still call you son.

The grapevine tells me that the ownership is the one that has always dictated that we have to be a "conservative offense and stop the run defense". If that is true, god help us for another 40 years of this crappy product.

I have so litte faith in the organization, I wouldn't be surprised if we were the LA PANTHERS by 2010.

Jerry-WAKE UP--GET OUT OF THE DARK AGES OF THE NFL Johnny UnitAs is dead and O J is going to jail. Give your fans (that paid for that shrine of yours) some excitement. They do it in Boston, they do it in Dallas, they do it in Indy IT CAN BE DONE DAMN IT!


Posted by: Need an Overhaul | Nov 30, 2007 12:25:17 AM

I think that pretty well sums it up.

Posted by: hillbilly | Nov 30, 2007 3:24:05 AM

Oh, by the way, Ryan. If Carr could string together a few completions, then perhaps opposing defenses wouldn't stack the box and Foster could gain some positive yardage.

Granted, he's no Tomlinson, but maybe he could regain some of his past agility and explosion if he dropped a few pounds. It seems like every player that comes into this organization packs on too much muscle and they slow down--like they're sloughing through the mud.

And did they ever consider that after such an extremely blistering summer, that maybe the players could have opened the season still recuperating from heat exhaustion. The effects are known to linger for weeks without proper treatment--remember how the players seemed to play without any energy at the beginning of the season?

Maybe this organization needs to find ways to prevent small setbacks such as these that can mount and hinder a team from reaching its true potential.

Posted by: hillbilly | Nov 30, 2007 3:42:29 AM

Bob, According to Rotoworld, Carr signed a 2 year 6 million dollar contract not 10 million. Either way, its been money completely wasted. And i can't fathom that he will be around next year. No chance of that.

Fox will make it through the season regardless of how bad it gets, Hell, Seifert made through the season with a team that lost 15 in a row and if that wasnt grounds for early dismissal then NOTHING is.

I think Fox and Hurney are a package. If one goes both will. I cant see a new coach keeping Hurney around even if only Fox got the boot.

Dark days are ahead my Panther fan brothren. First with have to finish this disasterous season then... Will new coaching come in ? The magic 8-ball on my desk says "Signs point to yes" and what about Julius ? will he stay a Panther ? And Ruck and Jenk too ? Will they all leave ? Ruck is getting old so he may retire but Jenk still has gas left in the tank but may not want to stick around (and who can blame him? ) Smitty has been locked up until 2012. Kasay is getting old and losing his leg strength (when the last time you saw him kick the ball actually INSIDE the endzone on a kickoff ? ) Yes my friends wholesale change are on order for this team and it maybe be a while before we can once again dream of Superbowl appearances


Posted by: Zen | Nov 30, 2007 10:13:09 AM

I truely get depressed everytime I watch the panthers play. There lack of enthusiasm and overall care free attitude is terrible. I am with some other people. Try Moore out. The season is over, Delhomme is done, Carr needs to be a runway model somewhere and although I like Vinny, he just cannot last and do it anymore. So, I try Moore for the remaining of the season, we have nothing to lose and in the off season start looking for a new "Coach" and "Quarter". Yeah, I said it. Fox and Delhomme's times are up. They had there chances and could not get it done. Fox is just too nice to motivate this team know, cut your losses and move on.

Posted by: mkenned7 | Nov 30, 2007 12:50:36 PM

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