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December 26, 2007

Roster moves and injury update

      The Panthers placed defensive end Julius Peppers on the injured reserve list Wednesday and made a series of other roster moves. The Panthers claimed kicker Rhys Lloyd off Baltimore’s practice squad and signed wide receiver Travis Taylor. The Panthers also added defensive backs Patrick Ghee and Eddie Canonico to the practice squad. The Philadelphia Eagles have signed defensive back Tannard Davis off the practice squad.

   Tackle Jordan Gross (ankle), safety Chris Harris (neck) and quarterback Vinny Testaverde (Achilles tendon) did not practice Wednesday. -- PAT YASINSKAS


Posted by Observer Sports on December 26, 2007 at 12:47 PM | Permalink


Rhys Lloyd, Pat.

Posted by: Janitor Dan | Dec 26, 2007 1:21:54 PM

Travis Taylor huh? He's had a decent career but I sure hope the Panthers don't envision him as a potential #2 receiver; As far as Patrick Ghee, it cant hurt to give a guy a shot coming out of that Wake Forest system.

Posted by: Fan | Dec 26, 2007 1:47:21 PM

That joke stopped being funny last week.

Posted by: Fan | Dec 26, 2007 3:49:06 PM

Lloyd might actually have a shot at playing. He seems to have a pretty good leg, if for nothing other than kickoffs. He's done it five times over two games this year, and his net gain (40.2) is better than Kasay's (36.1) or Baker's (38.4), though I guess that may have as much to do with Baltimore's kick coverage as anything. The guy can also punt in a pinch, too, so maybe this is his jump start on being Kasay's competition in camp next year, or hell, maybe the brain trust has even realized that we're losing a HUGE amount of field position when the other team starts on the 35 on every drive.
The Travis Taylor signing is weird...former first-rounder, but he's already been cut by two other different teams THIS YEAR, and another under-performing high pick is not exactly a big need.
As for the practice-squadders, I think the one who has a shot is Ghee. He's got decent size, and a few places gave him a draftable grade this past year.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Dec 26, 2007 3:50:37 PM

Only now will Fox let some of the other guys get on the field. I sincerely hope that he has seen that his total bullheadedness on vets (such as Vinny, DeShawn or however you spell it, Rucker, Maake, etc)has hurt his team's chances this year. Watching him praise Moore as a QB just irritates the hell out of me, pure turd polishing on his lack of making that decision early in the year.

Posted by: Willy | Dec 26, 2007 4:09:40 PM

And remember, Randy Moss was considered poison and done before going to New England. Talent wants to be around other talent, because the really good players want the chance to win the ring, and nothing else matters. We need the kind of environment where a vet's agent calls and says his client wants to be here. We don't have anything close to that now.

Posted by: Willy | Dec 26, 2007 4:13:32 PM

that's RUFF

Posted by: stonymabry | Dec 26, 2007 5:04:10 PM

Want to know the projected amount under the salary cap for each of the 32 teams in the NFL going into the '08 season? Want to know how many players will be under contract, as well?

Click on the link below and scroll down to the chart to see more.


Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 7:28:37 PM

Peppers' current salary cap figure--until otherwise restructured--is $14.1 million for 2008; more than one-eighth of next year's projected $116 million salary cap.

Ten players under contract for the '08 season--Peppers, Wahle, Lucas, Smith, Delhomme, Jenkins, Foster, Morgan, Hartwig and Kemoeatu--count for nearly $75 million of the teams projected $110 million cap figure. That means that 10 players will count for more than 64% of the projected cap.

That leaves roughly about $41 million for the other 43 players that will be under contract by the beginning of the '08 season. But the problem with that, is that roughly $35 million of the remaining $41 million is already accounted for by the 25 players returning under contract.

That means in order to fill the entire 53-man roster, 18 players will have to be somehow signed with the remaining $6 million in unused funds.

So, be prepared to see more than a handful of familiar faces suiting up with other teams next season, unless Marty and Co. can work miracles.

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 7:59:30 PM

Here are a few names that are in prime position to not return next season:

Jordan Gross – Won’t likely command top dollar on the open market due to his lack of accolades, yet may receive an offer much higher than the fiscally-strapped Panthers will be able to match from a team in desperate need of a tackle who can protect the left side. Although he doesn’t fit the prototype profile of an NFL left tackle, in the past he has manned the position two separate seasons with adequate success despite playing on an overall sub-par line.

Dan Morgan – The instant and overwhelming success of John Beason at middle linebacker and the laundry list of injuries that have plagued Morgan throughout his career have ultimately spelled the end of Morgan’s tenure as a Panther. Morgan’s inability to play an entire 16-game season in his 7-year career alone should be enough to warrant a decision for the team to move on. Morgan’s current contract has him inked through the 2010 season, and according to ESPN.com is worth on average $5.6 million per season with potentially another $3.5 million in escalators, and a reporting bonus of $500,000 each season between 2006 and 2010.

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 8:07:17 PM

Maake Kemoeatu – Signed a 5-year $27.5 million dollar contract with a $6 million signing bonus in ’06 to play for the Panthers. Although many would argue that his stats (76 tkls, 1 sack in 31 games)--and Morgan’s health--would attest that a shocking average of $5.5 million a year is just too much to shell out for this kind of lack-luster performance.

DeShaun Foster – His accumulated body of work over his six-year career speaks for itself—10 rushing touchdowns, 3.9 yards per carry, eight 100+ yard games, and 16 fumbles. Yet in 2006 the Panthers signed him to a 3-year $14.5 million contract with a $4.5 million signing bonus and another $3 million in escalators and incentives. For the past two years Foster has been paid like a top-ten back in the NFL, but has yet to do anything to show why. This season Foster has managed seven fumbles in 236 attempts and a very meager rushing average of 3.5 yards per carry, while on the other hand, teammate DeAngelo Williams only has only one fumble in 124 attempts and an average of 4.8 yards per carry--more than a whole yard extra per carry. If the Panthers signed Foster because they wanted a back that could get them three yards in a cloud of dust every carry, then they got their man.

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 8:08:02 PM

David Carr – Let’s not forget the crown jewel of the Panthers offseason. Once heralded by fans and journalists alike as the lone “significant” acquisition this past offseason, Carr has failed miserably to live up to all expectations in Carolina. His paltry quarterback rating of 58.3 somehow doesn’t quite accurately convey the abysmal performance it supposedly reflects--it’s a tad too high in this writer’s opinion. And the 2-year $6.2 million contract the Panthers inked him to, in hindsight, seems to be a tad too high as well. But, rest assured, Panther fans, that barring some unforeseen anti-miraculous event, Carr--and his delightfully masculine gloves--will be long gone before next season ever begins.

Mike Wahle – Signed a lucrative 5-year $25 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus in 2005. Since then, he’s done little in Carolina to live up to the All-Pro reputation he aptly garnered during his stint in Green Bay. The Panthers may choose to cut Wahle if he rejects taking a cut in pay or if management is unable to find a suitor willing to give up adequate compensation and take on the remaining millions left on his contract. The Panthers do have the option to fill Wahle’s spot at left guard with Ryan Khalil, if they are forced to go the cheaper route.

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 8:08:35 PM

And don't forget, folks, that the Panthers potential free agents aren't counted against that cap number, so no, it's not $6 million in cap room after the Panthers have re-signed Gross and Wharton and so forth.

The Panthers are $6 million under the cap with only the 35 returning players under contract.

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 8:12:50 PM

Procton. do you know taylor's shoe size

Posted by: owen | Dec 26, 2007 8:25:15 PM

most of these large salary guys will have a huge cap hit on us if cut, its not like you can just go around cutting guys under contract.

Posted by: fan | Dec 26, 2007 9:21:50 PM

Yeah, the team will take a cap hit if any player is cut, not just any of these. And they may not save tens of millions of dollars by cutting one or two of them, but if they are cut before the roster bonus is due, then the team will save that much plus a portion of the base salary.

What other choice does the team have other than attempting to restructure their contracts? And by restructuring their contracts, they are only making the cap hit that much larger for the remaining years.
That's how the team got in this mess to begin with--that and signing these over-priced aging veterans in the first place.

So please tell me, what would you propose to do if you were the one making the decisions and had to sign 18 players, but only $6 million to sign them with?

No easy answers, right?

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 9:55:42 PM

Very interesting Hillybilly. Your report was well written too! Sounds like you just got out of college, "Hillbilly." Hmmmmm, your real name wouldn't be Ryan Kalil, would it?? Only an offensive lineman named Kalil would criticize veterans Whale and Gross (even though I agree about Gross: Whale, on the other hand, has had pro-bowl production since joining the Panthers). BTW, Kalil is way overrated and the lack of production from the rush offense (Foster) is largely due to the rag-tag blocking from the offensive line... and yes, Kalil is part of that problem! Williams has a larger rushing average because he has more long runs, but he goes backwards on too many plays and kills drives all too often; which is the only thing he has been consistent at. But I do concur that major changes have to be made and unproductive player should be traded (if possible), take a paycut or cut from the roster completely. Happy New Year!!

Posted by: SYRPIS | Dec 26, 2007 10:48:08 PM

If you're going to sing the guy's praises, then you should at least learn to spell his name right.

A whale is an aquatic mammal.
Wahle is the Panthers left guard.

I wasn't criticizing Gross--he's been the most consistent lineman this season--I was only saying that he'll probably receive an offer from another team that the Panthers will be unable to match because they have to sign 17 other players as well, not just 1 high-priced lineman.

And If you say that Foster's rushing woes are because of rag-tag blocking of the o-line, then please explain how Kalil would be part of the problem. Kalil hasn't played but in four games all season, yet your All-Pro, Wahle, has started every game.

So by your own reasoning, shouldn't Wahle be more of the problem than Kalil?

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 11:31:08 PM

And concerning Foster vs. Williams, wouldn't you rather have a back who can actually run for a touchdown from anywhere on the field rather than a player who consistently gets run down by a d-lineman and fumbles every other game?

If you would like, I can post a game-by-game comparison of Foster and Williams runs for every game of the season.

Williams doesn't get tackled for a loss anywhere near as often as you would have us believe. I'm sure you would really be quite surprised at how awful Foster's play actually is.

Posted by: hillbilly | Dec 26, 2007 11:44:59 PM

i agree 100% with you on everything you have said. especially the foster thing.
he sucks. period.
i cannot stand how much he holds the ball out for defenders to knock it out! every FN game! get a clue hurney.

Posted by: aaron | Dec 27, 2007 1:02:57 AM

The real strength of Williams will come when the Panthers find ways to get him the ball other than just handing it off to him. He is a great playmaker, he just needs a chance to show it.

Posted by: Mav | Dec 27, 2007 3:42:41 AM

Well, you are operating under the assumption that the SI report is correct. The Panthers may in fact have more than 6 million to spend on their players.

Posted by: fan | Dec 27, 2007 7:43:05 AM

The 2005 49ers started Ken Dorsey, Cody Pickett, Tim Rattay and Alex Smith over the course of the season.

Posted by: 309-18-1-2 | Dec 27, 2007 8:24:58 AM

THe story i heard was that they were the first team to win with 4 different starting qb's

Posted by: fan | Dec 27, 2007 9:14:22 AM

If you would like, I can post a game-by-game comparison of Foster and Williams runs for every game of the season.>>>

The only way to make an accurate comparison is by posting carry by carry. And I do wish someone would post this so everyone would stop acting like DeWill is so great. Yes, I'm tired of seeing Foster. BUT Williams hasn't proven he's any better 99.9% of the time. Just on a play "every now and then." It really isn't fair to judge either of them behind such a pathetic line, anyway.

Posted by: jason | Dec 27, 2007 12:02:14 PM

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