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February 25, 2008

Could Moose accept being No. 3?

    With all the talk about the possibility of Muhsin Muhammad's return to the Panthers, here is something to consider.  While there's no question that Muhammad still believes he can play and can be the guy he was when he played opposite Steve Smith earlier this decade, he will be 35. While Carolina GM Marty Hurney hasn't addressed the issue, it may be that the Panthers are hoping to add Moose as a situational guy, doing the kind of things Ricky Proehl did when he was on the team.

    It also may be that Muhammad doesn't see himself in a situation where his playing time is limited, in a No.3 receiver role.

    If that's the case, it's also likely that some team out there might be willing to pay him more than the veteran's minimum to be their No.2, a possibility that would be good for both Moose's self-image and his
wallet.

    Of course, maybe that team will be the Panthers; I think there is interest on their part. I just don't think there's quite as much as Moose and many of his fans believe. Carolina has add older free agents
go south before.

--Stan Olson

Posted by Observer Sports on February 25, 2008 at 02:59 PM | Permalink

Comments

well considering he caught the 4th most passes on his team last season, I think he'd be fine with being the #3 for us.

Posted by: mattdaddy | Feb 25, 2008 3:18:41 PM

yeah and that was with Rex Grossman playing QB.

Posted by: Bignick | Feb 25, 2008 3:27:00 PM

let the moose loose.
he can still play
not in carolina will he stay
keeps his eyes on the ball he may
his skills have declined and due for a great fall
let youth work its course
a 80 year old Ronald Reagun could still ride a horse
a kitchen sink is were germs inhabit the most
A 13-3 record next year we will boast

Posted by: radicaldad | Feb 25, 2008 3:32:57 PM

Along with Muhammad, lets bring in Kevin Greene, Wesley Walls, Reggie White (prop him up),Rae Carruth, Ray Seals, Dwight Stone, and maybe Jerry Richardson himself could be the 2nd WR.
It is time to turn the page. Is the lack of talent on this team due in part to poor player selection in the draft??? It is time for the fans to realize that the teams current needs out number the players available. This team is 2 drafts away from being a solid team, those drafts have to be good. This will never happen under Hurney.

Posted by: Steven | Feb 25, 2008 3:53:54 PM

3rd receiver behind who????? Smitty #1 then who???? The Panthers need a number 2 WR!!! Stan- you conveniently left out of your story who you were assuming is the Panthers #2 WR already that Moose would play behind.

Posted by: Jakefan17 | Feb 25, 2008 3:59:16 PM

put me on the Vernon Gholston bandwagon

Posted by: mattdaddy | Feb 25, 2008 4:06:06 PM

Still like Jakefan17 said who going to be the #2 WR we need to get smith help that can last longer then two years and also can draw attention to tSake coverage off smith I like Javon Walker,Donte Stallworth,and some other but believe me if we get moose we have to get another playmaking WR still.
Bye the way How much cap rom do the Panthers have? Oh yeah NFL network said tha moose agent told them their are a couple teams intrest in him but he will like to return to Carolina.

Posted by: telling it like it is | Feb 25, 2008 4:13:46 PM

Obliviously this guy has not watched the Panthers receivers over the past couple of years. We have waited for both Colbert and Carter to show that they can handle the No. 2 spot, and they both have failed miserably. They just don’t have what it takes to be a big time receiver. They look scared and timid on the field playing, and they never beat any of the cornerbacks that are covering them. As for Jarret, do you really expect a guy who the panthers did not allow to put a jersey until the end of the season to step up and fill that whole? I think the No. 2 Receiver should at least know the routes he should run, which Dwayne has proved his does not. So back to Moose, can you really say that he could not be a No. 2 receiver. You talk about how is production fell off last season, but don’t forget he has arguably the worst starting quarterback in the NFL throwing to him, Rex Grossman. The next best receiver on the bears last season, Berrian, racked up only two more touchdowns than Moose. Word is the Panthers have the biggest lack of leadership in the locker room of any team in the NFL, and moose is a guy that can step in and become a leader immediately. The panthers should sign Moose, let Colbert and Carter go to free agency( I doubt any one will even pick those guys up, just like deshaun is begging for a chance to play in Tampa Bay), and take a receiver in the draft with our 2nd or 3rd pick.

Posted by: shane | Feb 25, 2008 5:34:19 PM

Mr.Negative, aka Stan Olson. Regarding the Pros and Cons about Moose! How about mentioning that these are YOUR personal opinions, especially the "CONS"!

Posted by: Helene Stahl | Feb 25, 2008 6:40:45 PM

You are so right Shane...it's so funny how writers try to make "their opinion" sound like they're speaking for everyone. Hmmmm... if only we could write a story about a writer.

I hope Moose comes back and kicks butt! What will they say then? Will anyone be man enough to say "guess I was wrong"? We'll see!

Go Panthers!!!!

Posted by: Ken Ross | Feb 25, 2008 6:50:58 PM

Apparently Stan has some sort of issue with Moose - it's pretty obvious that he thinks this would be a mistake on the Panther's part. Every other writer I have seen mention this thinks it is a good fit, including Charles Chandler. Do I think they should break the bank to sign him? No. But do I think his numbers the last couple of years indicate he's washed up? No - take a look at who was throwing to him and also the general state of the Bears' offense in his time there. Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman and Brian Griese make Jake look like a Hall of Famer. He obviously had chemistry with Jake, and that means a lot (look at Smitty's numbers with any other QB than Jake). Moose didn't always have the best hands, but he always was able to step it up when the Panthers really needed him (the year Smitty was hurt and the Super Bowl year). I say bring him back - he has to be an upgrade over what we had, and if it means Moose or someone like Bryant Johnson (who is lots younger and still stinks) I say that's a no brainer.

Posted by: anonymous | Feb 25, 2008 7:26:12 PM

Brilliant commentary Mr. Olson. If you continue with this level of cander, you may have to pass up on those little extras agents and player would otherwise throw your way though. But I for one greatly appreciate this article filled with splendid responsible journalism. Thanks.

P.S. Minus the "prop him up" comment, I just might like Steven's post better. Especially where he suggests bringing back Jerry Richardson to compete for the #2 spot. LMAO!!! That's just Brilliant!!

Posted by: SYRPIS | Feb 25, 2008 7:57:32 PM

I don't understand why so many fans think that Moose could still be a #2, and I'm sick of hearing that he would be an upgrade - heck, almost anyone would be an upgrade, but that doesn't mean a thing. He's past his prime, he's long in the tooth, he's over the hill (regardless of whether Grossman or Orton or whoever threw to him), he's slow as molasses, and he drops LOTS of balls. If the Panthers go after a #2, then go after a real #2!!! Nostalgia will get them nowhere!

Posted by: Wayne | Feb 25, 2008 9:00:48 PM

He can come back here and we will gave him a statue!

Posted by: #1 Fan | Feb 25, 2008 9:10:55 PM

See what can be gaven has already been broughten!

Posted by: #1 Fan | Feb 25, 2008 9:13:46 PM

Guys, I wasn't saying that one of the current players would be the No.2 in front of Moose; I would expect that issue to be answered through free agency or the draft. I think Moose could help IF he would accept being a 3, just as Proehl did. Sorry if some of you missed the point; I didn't make it all that clear...

Posted by: stan olson | Feb 25, 2008 11:26:05 PM

Are we all assuming Dwayne Jarrett to be a bust here? We drafted him to be the #2, he didn't catch on with the playbook last season but who's to say he won't digest the playbook better the 2nd time around? Very few rookie receivers are instant successes in the first place. Obviously we need another receiver or 2 in free agency, whether that is Moose, Stallworth, and/or someone else, but don't write off Jarrett. He could become a solid receiving threat this year.

And Stan, I thought you made your point pretty clear here about Moose being the #3. People are just looking for something to criticize. You got people talking about how you didn't cover the pros and cons of Moose when that was already covered in a different entry on this very blog...

Posted by: Haywood Jablowmi | Feb 26, 2008 12:28:41 AM

Some of you forget that moose is an extremely good run blocker down thr field which can and could spring whomever is at rb. He can still be a #2 though.

Posted by: Nick | Feb 26, 2008 12:31:09 AM

This is kind of a rediculous post. Stan obviously thinks that either Colbert or Carter or any of the others could be #2...what? Why would we be looking for recievers if we already had a #2 reciever...APPARENTLY Stan we don't feel comfortable with who we have if were looking at recievers. Now i dont know what Jarrett is capable of...nothing unless he can start learning a playbook and get his head out of the air thinking he's so great because he is in the pros. Newsflash there buddy...you sit on the bench. He's lucky he isn't just on the practice squad. I wish the panthers would hurry up and do something so some people will shutup about we dont need Moose etc when we DO need Moose bc he has a couple years left in him and he's a very good blocker...would help with our running game considering how our line doesnt want to do that part.

Posted by: Dustin | Feb 26, 2008 12:36:15 AM

Moose is no different than any athlete who competes. They want to start. That is a good thing. He also is a team player or he wouldn't be sacrificing his body as a WR to block or be voted team captain on the teams he has been with.
Moose is 35 and is not a long term solution but in the NFL a lot of time those "long term" draft solutions flop or are injured so I say bring him back. His performance in camp and on the field will let the coaches see where he fits.
I think he would be a great number 2 opposite Smith as the Panthers groom someone to eventually take that spot in a couple years.
Moose had 5 drops out of 81 targets last in Chicago last season according to STATS INC.
Two less than Toomer of NY, Jackson of SF, Roy Williams of Detroit who all had at least 7 drops.
Moose had a 14.3 yard per catch average with the Bears last season.
He has some gas left in the tank let the Panthers use it to help get some winning football back in town.

Posted by: Bccnp1 | Feb 26, 2008 1:05:21 AM

Stan you dumb monkey, Muhammad as a #3? Are you freaking kidding me you bearded clam?
As I've stated on the other blog, Muhammad is not worth one penny over $1 Million a year, so therefore he's not even a #4! For veteran minimum I would maybe accept him on my team as a #5...behind Steve Smith, Colbert is the #2, Ryne Robinson, and Taye Biddle.
Look at the stats Stinky Stan, just look at the stats!! Colbert's statistics are far greater than Muhammad's, and for a much better price. Keary is THE ANSWER to our problems and is the #2! So who cares if Muhammad would accept being the #3, the real question is would he accept the #5. Wow, I should be writing these blogs. Hire me Observer, I'll show all these douche bags what's up.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 26, 2008 7:19:57 AM

Procton, R u serious colbert is not deserving of being the ball boy right now he feel of the map after his rookie year when moose was on the team and another thing where is Dwayne J. he is going to be really good when he has a mentor "Moose" to teach him how to play on thislevel as a posession reciever!!!!

Posted by: Nick | Feb 26, 2008 8:24:20 AM

I read the Saints are the favorite to sign Asante Samuel.....that is NOT good

Posted by: mattdaddy | Feb 26, 2008 9:23:12 AM

People are too ready to label Jarrett a bust after last season. So many rookie wr's struggle in their first year. Braylon Edwards went from an also ran his first year to a force last year for Cleveland. He dropped passes and ran terrible routes his rookie year. We all know how Fox and Co. are about rookies anyway. Beason should have started the year in the middle and Morgan on the outside. Jarrett definitely should have got to play more. He made the most out of his ridiculous situation last year. He will be a-ok this year. He has already moved back to Charlotte this year. He is committed to being a better player. Get off of this topic until we make some moves Stan!

Posted by: nabler | Feb 26, 2008 9:24:56 AM

People are too ready to label Jarrett a bust after last season. So many rookie wr's struggle in their first year. Braylon Edwards went from an also ran his first year to a force last year for Cleveland. He dropped passes and ran terrible routes his rookie year. We all know how Fox and Co. are about rookies anyway. Beason should have started the year in the middle and Morgan on the outside. Jarrett definitely should have got to play more. He made the most out of his ridiculous situation last year. He will be a-ok this year. He has already moved back to Charlotte this year. He is committed to being a better player. Get off of this topic until we make some moves Stan!

Posted by: nabler | Feb 26, 2008 9:25:13 AM

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