February 29, 2008
Details on picks from Jenkins trade
The fifth-round pick obtained from the Jets essentially replaces the fifth Carolina gave up last summer when the Panthers acquired safety Chris Harris from the Bears.
Posted by Observer Sports on February 29, 2008 at 02:41 PM | Permalink
If the Panthers recieved all of those picks then the trade was decent. But Jenkins recieved quite the payday. He is a good player, but his numbers were that impressive. We had one of the worst sack totals in the NFL, that number includes Kris as well.
Posted by: Fayton | Feb 29, 2008 2:51:51 PM
No Stan, it's still like an early third round pick.
Posted by: JanitorDan | Feb 29, 2008 3:44:25 PM
Dan, does that byline say Stan? I did not think so.
Posted by: Hookt On Fonics | Feb 29, 2008 3:52:34 PM
"...almost like a second round pick." Uh, what? Stan are you almost retarded?
Posted by: Kris Jenkins | Feb 29, 2008 3:55:10 PM
"That makes the third almost like a late second."
Except its not
Posted by: jbw | Feb 29, 2008 3:55:33 PM
Nice try, Chandler...maybe you meant to say that their value COMBINED was about a late 2nd-rounder. According to the standard trade value chart, the 68th pick (250 points)+the 134th pick (39 points) is worth something between the 61st and 62nd picks (292 and 284, respectively.) The one benefit of an early third-rounder as opposed to a late second-rounder, though, is that it may save the team some money, which may be needed given that we'll now have 8 rookies to sign under the rookie allotment.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 29, 2008 4:12:20 PM
Michael,please get a life
Posted by: mom | Feb 29, 2008 4:28:26 PM
Why did they Panthers not try and get Jonathan Vilma, who the Jets traded today to the Saints for an 09 draft pick, instead of a draft pick? We trade a prove, tested NFL player for unknown draft picks. Hurney & Co. have been horrible at building this team through the draft. Another good Panther player leaves the team for nothing in return......
Posted by: jthomas | Feb 29, 2008 4:33:16 PM
wish they would have insisted on a 3rd and Vilma for Jenkins instead of the 5th round pick. I know, Vilma is a MLB, but he easily could have been moved to Diggs' weakside slot.
Just doesn't seem like enough for Jenkins. We'll see.
Posted by: Chad | Feb 29, 2008 6:54:45 PM
It was a so so trade in my view. Jenkins has been a good player here but it was his time to leave. I know some will say theres others we should of got rid of other than Jenk but who would want Kemo..or Rucker. I believe we could of got more out of the deal though. Atleast a 2nd round pick or a 3rd round pick with a player. Im just curious though as to if the Panthers may try and pull something like talking to some of the worse teams and negotiating our picks we just picked up for a needed position. Try talking to someone about a good powerback since it seems were not going to be getting Turner.
Posted by: Dustin | Feb 29, 2008 7:12:18 PM
So far we have the 13th pick in round 1. 43rd pick in round 2 which is the 43rd pick overall and the 74th pick in round 3. Not including what we have now with the Jenkins trade. (3rd and 5th)
Last time we picked 3rd round pick 12 overall pick 74 was none other Steve Smith 2001 Utah.
Others* Justin Tuck, Kevin Curtis, Curtis Martin, Jim Flanigan-G Will Shields-G
Last time we picked 2nd round pick 13 overall pick 43 was none other than Muhsin Muhammad 1996 Michigan St.
Others* Corey Dillon, Corey Webster, Julius Jones,
Interesting that Smith and Muhammad reunite together once again. Mmmm! I like this year, I will forever keep telling you that God does love the Panthers and it is in his will.
1st round 13th pick we have never. But they produced-Dontae Stallworth, Lee Evans, Takeo Spikes, Tony Gonzalez, Our beloved Mark Fields, John Abraham, Franco Harris, Kellen Winslow, Ray McDonald, Eric Metcalf.
So looking at this, looks like our draft picks can be expecting to play 10+ years in the league. Also looks like our picks may fall in the WR, TB OL TE DE/LB/DB category. That’s what all of these picks were. So think off all the guys in this year’s draft that is in those categories. Write down the top 10 to 15 guys in those positions. We may land guys in the top position ranking in each pick. Hurney and company's butt will be saved for sure and champagne will pop for us all later. Work first! Then Pop, Work first and then Pop, Work first and then Pop, remember that!
Does any one know exactly how many picks we have all together? Looking promising Folks.
God Bless Jenkins, don’t go hurting them Kris like a true Panther fan know you might end up doing. Thankful you’re not in the NFC. Besides the Saints and Bucs and Falcons ganging up on us and we seem to not want to do anything about it. But my God say Patience's is a virtue!
Posted by: Panther Fan D | Feb 29, 2008 7:14:49 PM
Vilma is a good player, but he's only under contract for this year, and there's just not room under the cap to pay three guys 1st-round/starter money. Had we not (stupidly) extended mediocre Na'il Diggs for three years, we could have given it a shot, but you can't pay a guy that much to sit on the bench. Also, it took two picks from the Saints, at least one of which is probably a third-rounder. They got offers for (and were going to want) more than a fifth rounder in compensation for Vilma.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 1, 2008 12:00:20 AM
Michael I read and heard via NFL Radio & NFL Network that it was only one conditional 09 draft pick for Vilma? They should have got him here then after one season, more than likely successful, worried about resigning him. If Diggs could not be traded or restructured then, cut him, take the cap hit and move on. Panther Fan D you make good points about past picks at those positions, but Hurney can't draft quality, lasting players, Colbert & Shelton to name a few. Thats why this trade is another horrible move by Hurney.
Posted by: jthomas | Mar 1, 2008 12:13:24 AM
Unlike many who don't think we got enough for Jenkins, I'm satisfied we did ok. He was under contract for another two years and as evidenced by last year's offers, his value hasn't increased in the past twelve months, if anything it went down. Saying he was the best player on the offensive line last year is equivilant to being the best lifeboat on the titanic, the OL wasn't that good last year. Now we have an extra three mil to spend on other needs, we have two good picks, one in the early third round and a better fifth rounder than Chicago got for Harris, a trade Chicago will view with some regret as the years go by. There's no way we would have re signed Jinkins anyway and next year he would be of even less value because he'd be a year older and only have one year left on his contract. Let's just hope the panthers do their homework and come up with some picks that help the team.
Posted by: Airman | Mar 1, 2008 12:50:25 PM
"Just got off the phone with Mike Tannenbaum [Jets GM] on a conference call. He said that the Jets aren't getting a conditional pick in 2009 from the Saints for Vilma. He said the deal is for a solid pick THIS YEAR in 2008 and, based on Vilma's production, possibly another pick in 2009. And it sounds like that second one could be a third-rounder."
And this perceived "lack of quality, long-lasting" players is ridiculous. Did he not draft Jordan Gross, a two-time All-Pro? Did he not draft Richard Marshall? Did he not draft Chris Gamble? Did he not draft Jeff King?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 1, 2008 2:58:30 PM
Hmm, Chris Gamble a good pick? I don't know about that.
Posted by: zippy | Mar 1, 2008 3:32:07 PM
Micheal reread your quote. It is for only one pick, unless Vilam reaches certain unknown performace levels. Anyway that is not the point. Hurney traded proven NFL talent and got unproven late round picks from a team that was shopping a proven linebacker. Your examples with the exception of Marshall of Hurney drafting quality talent leaves much to be desired. Plus all of those examples except for King were drafted in the first two rounds. Name me two players that Hurney drafted after the second round that have been with the team for 3 years and are productive.
Posted by: jthomas | Mar 1, 2008 3:43:33 PM
Michael....there is nothing "Perceived" about the lack of quality...it's an obvious fact. The names you mentioned would be a good year....NOT a good body of work. In fact that is a nearly awful body of work. Look at what the good teams have done during that same time frame. Thank God for the Miami Dolphins or we would be the worst personnel evaluators in the league.
Posted by: LKNDave | Mar 2, 2008 11:32:44 AM
During the same period 2002-2008....the San Diego Chargers acquired the following...Drafted - Quentin Jammer(CB), Antonio Cromartie(CB), Marcus McNeil(T), Jeromey Clary(T), Shane Olivea(T), Phillip Rivers (QB), Charlie Whitehurst(QB), Nick Hardwick(C), Michael Turner(RB), Darren Sproles(RB), Vincent Jackson(WR), Shawne Merriman(LB), Matt Wilhelm(LB), Luis Castillo(DT), Igor Olshansky(DT), Shaun Williams(DE), Nate Kaeding(K), Mike Scifres(P)....AND they acquired Kris Dielman(G)F/A 2003, Mike Goff(G)F/A 2004, Chris Chambers(WR) F/A 2007.
And while Hurney/Fox were genius enough to draft Jeff King...the Chargers scouted an undrafted free agent named Antonio Gates.
The Panthers don't compare...that's why the Panthers don't compete.
Posted by: LKNDave | Mar 2, 2008 12:13:12 PM
All drafted after the FIFTH (not just third) round:
And if we're going to talk about FA aquisitions, how about this guy named Delhomme. I hear he's done pretty well for himself. Ricky Proehl was a decent contributor, too.
And you're totally right, Dave...it would be a pretty damned good year if you could get 4 starters (including 3 All-Rookie players and a 2-time All-Pro) in one draft. In fact, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a team that's pulled that off.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 2, 2008 3:14:51 PM
LOL...you're right, that would be a pretty good draft...let me know when the Panthers do that. I hope you're not seriously trying to compare those players with what the Chargers have done. Jordan Gross has never been an AP All Pro (the standard for that classification). You also need to understand that there is a difference between being an "All Pro" and being a Pro Bowl player. Gross is a solid tackle, but NOT great. I don't know who the 3 all-rookies are that you're talking about, but the three players you mentioned wouldn't start for A LOT of teams.
Jake is a fine QB, but doesn't make up for all of the misses that we've had in free agency. And sadly that does also require personnel evaluation.
Also, that list of players drafted after the fifth round is the biggest collection of "So what?" that I have ever seen.
I'm a Panthers fan too...but not a homer. It is what it is...we have missed terribly when it comes to personnel evaluation.
Posted by: LKNDave | Mar 2, 2008 7:51:30 PM
Who of that bunch you listed is worth a flip? Hurney is an idiot and so are you if you think he is a good GM
Posted by: jthomas | Mar 2, 2008 7:53:10 PM
My bad....Gross hasn't even made the pro bowl yet. Dude your argument is laughable.
Posted by: LKNDave | Mar 2, 2008 7:58:49 PM
All nine of those guys have started games for the Panthers. Starters do not usually come from round 5 on. Someone must have done something right.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 2, 2008 10:43:47 PM
....or, they just did such a piss poor job in the early rounds that some scrubs wind up starting for you. .....or, all of those guys you listed started when the starters went down. ....or, starting on a bad team is not that impressive. .....or, those players wouldn't even be on the roster for teams like NE, PITT, SD, DAL, IND, etc.
As for this conversation, if you believe that we have done a good job, and if you believe that list of guys is worth a damn, then you and I shouldn't be talking. One of us clearly knows more about football than the other does. And the one that does is just wasting his time, and the one that doesn't isn't going to be convinced anyway.
So I'll just defer to your impressive list of guys that over 6 YEARS have an accumulated total of 3 sacks, 0 ints, 10td rec and have thrown 40% more picks than td's.
Posted by: LKNDave | Mar 2, 2008 11:23:44 PM
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