February 15, 2008
Former Panthers guard to join Seahawks
It didn't take Mike Wahle to land a new job.
He told Sirius NFL Radio that he's joining the Seahawks, where he reunites with Mike Holmgren, his former Packers coach.
No details yet on length or terms of the deal.
-- Charles Chandler
Posted by Observer Sports on February 15, 2008 at 12:12 AM | Permalink
Some numbers ARE in on Wahle and Wharton:
Panthers OL Travelle Wharton's six-year contract is for $36 million. The deal includes $12 million guaranteed and $19 million in the first three years.
Most tackles have been getting something like $49 mil/7 yrs. This is cheap enough to be reasonable if he's moved to guard, and paid enough to respect his ability to play tackle at an adequate level. We really weren't going to get him much cheaper than that, and I don't know who else we could have gotten with his skills and versatility who'd have come for even the same price.
Wahle's contract is a five-year deal that is heavily backloaded, and thus, won't last more than three or four. (http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/14/wahle-signs-five-year-deal/)
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 2:35:49 AM
overpaid, another debacle by the staff.
this is money for a top 10 OT, not a adequate at best tackle. maybe there's not a lot on the market, maybe his experience is worth more to the staff than drafting at the position but nothing about this move is encouraging. i mean great, we are making moves to create the same OLine as last years OLine that couldn't push around anyone. thanks for the info procton, even if it isn't especially great news, i'm glad to have something to wine about this weekend. why has colbert and carr not been cut yet?
Posted by: K > roy | Feb 15, 2008 8:59:19 AM
Here is an update from ESPN.COM on a potential Foster trade
Posted by: Matt | Feb 15, 2008 9:58:32 AM
I like the Wharton signing. I believe it is a lot of money, but I think that they will move him to guard and go after a Max Starks in free agency. With this move, I believe they feel more comfortable with Wharton than they do Hartwig at guard. Hartwig might be another cap casualty! This will free them up to go DE, S or RB in first round of the draft. This is all depending on what else they do in free agency. Is there any more info on DeShaun Foster being moved. He has a big cap hit this year, but any chance we get a 3rd or 4th rounder? I like the possibility of Michael Turner and DeAngelo in our backfield, but I don't know that we will spend the money it would take to keep him out of Chicago, his home town. I will say this, if we can move Jenkins for a 2nd rounder and DeShaun for a 3rd or 4th, this will give us 6 picks on the first day and we should find some players to contribute immediately while getting younger.
On the free agency end, we need to give Corey Williams (DT) from Green Bay a look. I would be comfortable with he and Lewis as our DT's. WR's to look at would include Bryant Johnson, Jerry Porter and 2 others with injury concerns; Berrian and Hackett. IF we could snag Wilson (NYG) or Hamlin (DAL) for our FS then we would be able to go through the draft picking the best available talent. I know it won't all work out like this, but it is definitely not far fetched. Looking forward to Feb. 29th. This should be a fun offseason to watch!!
Posted by: JLiv | Feb 15, 2008 9:59:49 AM
I'm glad you're a Duke fan, guy, but this AIN'T tackle money at all, much less top 10. Further, Colbert hasn't been cut because he's a free agent, jackass. You don't cut them. JLiv, there's not going to be any movement of Hartwig. It would cost us money to cut him, and that doesn't make any sense for a guy who is still a decent starter with upside.
Yeah...Corey Williams and Damione Lewis as our starting DTs...prepare to watch that YPC allowed go from the top 5 to the bottom 5. You know DTs are supposed to STOP THE RUN, right?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 10:20:59 AM
Get off the trading Jenkins trip. Beason, Jenkins and Harris were the best players by far on the defense last year. Signing Wharton gives the Panthers many different options now in free agency and the draft. If a stud left tackle falls to 13, then they can take him and move Wharton to guard. If not, Phillips may be there and 2 of the top 3 running backs will be there. Maybe even go after the playmaking WR from Cal or the best DE available.
Posted by: LeeL | Feb 15, 2008 10:55:38 AM
Can someone at "Inside the Panthers" write something about the Panthers?
Posted by: LeeL | Feb 15, 2008 10:56:16 AM
Procton, forgive me, as i have a life, that i'm not 100% sure what qualifies as top 10 OT money. Regardless, its too much to spend on him, he's an average player on a line that was average at best last year. We just need change on the OLine.
And this is exactly why everyone gets mad at you on these blogs, i simply state an opinion, thank you for the info you gave (because i hadn't seen that anywhere else) and you come down on me for no reason. It's like no opinion you read is okay or acceptable but instead you are looking to "big man" everybody. Thanks. I'm glad you're so in-tune with Charlotte pro sports teams, but cmon dude get out of the house once in awhile.
Posted by: K > roy | Feb 15, 2008 11:54:16 AM
If you're not sure of something, then why state it as fact? Additionally, when you mis-state a basic fact about NFL contracts (suggesting we need to cut a player whose contract has expired), you're contributing to the awful knowledge base of the typical Charlotte sports fan and deserve to be "come down on." Also, with Wharton likely moving to guard and Kalil also taking a starting spot, we WILL see change on the line.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 1:02:07 PM
Okay factman, some people post things that are random thoughts, ideas or suggestions without researching, editing, having a spell check or doing a grammar check.
Here is a fact for you though. Wharton made 466k last year, 603k against the cap. Does his play warrant a 10x increase? I know he was playing out a rookie contract but still. And with your figures he's making approx 6.7 mil for the first 3 years and 6 million per for the life of the contract. Only 14 OLinemen (tackles and guards) in the league last year made that much or more. Please advise Mr Postman.
Posted by: K > roy | Feb 15, 2008 1:54:59 PM
I don't know how much Alge Crumpler wants, but I would love to see him on the Panthers. I think he has at least 3 good years left in him. He would give Jake an excellent second option and would lessen the need to get a really good #2 wide out.
Posted by: Token | Feb 15, 2008 3:12:33 PM
First, the matter of relative salary increase isn't really the issue at all...the worth/value of a contract is determined by market value, and the average numbers starting FA tackles are getting are $49 mil over 7 years (Leonard Davis: $49.6/7; Eric Steinbach: $49.5/7.) Wharton clearly didn't get that, or even really close. Further, without knowing how the numbers really break down, it's tough to talk about how it compares with anybody.
Alge Crumpler makes no sense whatsoever for this team. We have two young players at the position with upside who are much cheaper.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 15, 2008 9:43:04 PM
I'm dissappointed we lost wahle, but im glad to see him go to a team that he will probably enjoy. And I think if we put Kalil at center, Hartwig at guard, and wharton at guard, we can pick someone up in free agency at Tackle Thats worth a damn, we can possibly have one of the offense of the BEST lines in the league. And I hope we pick a DE in the first round opposite of Julius Peppers that will tear it up in the first half of the season, and then eventually everyone will stop payin all the attention to peppers and he will bring his game up to par. It was'nt his fault that we had a old ass DE on the other side with bad knees. GO PANTHERS
Posted by: Tony | Feb 15, 2008 11:21:53 PM
I have to agree with Procton on this one. The Wharton signing was a good deal. You're keeping a guy with good chemistry and the relative trust of his teammates at a cost less than what you would have to pay to bring in a OL of equal value in the FA market. The amount of his contract sounds like alot but it is less than what a 'pro-bowl' OL is getting; which is fair b/c he isn't a probowler.
I do think if we could get Crumpler at or near the veteran min. he would be a good mentor to our young TEs.
Maybe the fans should show K-Jenk a little support he was the first D player (possibly Panther) to step up and take a leadership role. He is better than anyone we can bring in and he keeps the middle of the field clear of OLmen so that Beason and Davis and roam free.
No way we draft a WR in the first day (much less the first round) after the debacles of Colbert and -seemingly- Jarrett. I would expect Hurney to take the best player on the board with an emphasis on Safety, OL, LB... depending on FA.
Posted by: Ryan A | Feb 15, 2008 11:25:00 PM
I recently moved to New York and although I miss the Panthers, living here sure does highlight how poor the writing is in the Observer. COVER THE TEAM! YOU GUYS OFFER US NOTHING. Because you're the only gig in town we have to read your "stray thoughts" but the fans would appreciate someone at the Observer growing a pair and writing like they're getting paid for it.
Otherwise, open the job up to a fan....no kidding.
Posted by: DAW | Feb 17, 2008 6:21:09 PM
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