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February 28, 2008
Insider thinks Moss could be a Panther
While the Panthers are likely to sign another veteran wide receiver in the wake of landing Muhsin Muhammad, most observers figure it will be an Ernest Wilford-type of guy who won't break their salary cap. And New England free agent Randy Moss, he of the 98 catches and 23 TDs last season and easily the top wideout available, is not even on Panthers fans' radar. But one NFL insider has a very different take on things.
"New England didn't franchise Randy, so they'll make a long-term offer," he said. "But they don't usually overpay guys. Say they offer him $50 million over five years with $20 million guaranteed (in bonus money). Not a bad deal, right? But somebody out there will top it.
"Carolina has freed up a lot of cap space with all the guys they've cut recently. Suppose they offer Randy a 6-year, $60 million deal with $25 million guaranteed? Now, if the difference is one or two million, Moss probably gives the Patriots a discount and goes back. But $5 million extra guaranteed? These guys have egos. And he knows that Carolina has been working aggressively to get better. Who's to say he doesn't make the move?"
Carolina, of course, could spread the bonus money over the length of the contract for salary cap reasons, and our insider thinks it could work.
"How would that be for a blockbuster? Then you've got Jake Delhomme throwing to Steve Smith on one side and Moss on the other."
Try to defense that, NFL.
Don't expect it to happen, because Carolina also has major needs at positions like defensive end, offensive tackle and free safety, and the Panthers will have to spend to fill them. But Smith and Moss -- kind of fun to think about, right?
--Stan Olson
Posted by Observer Sports on February 28, 2008 at 08:49 AM | Permalink
Comments
There is a Zero percent chance this deal would ever happen. He isn't a Panthers kind of guy- if the Panthers aren't competitive next year we will have the same situation that happened in Oakland. The Panthers will spend the money wisely on depth on the O-Line and help in the secondary.
Posted by: Cole | Feb 28, 2008 9:13:56 AM
I also hear the Panthers are going to trade for T.O., Chad Johnson. Moss, Smith, T.O., C.J., Moose.
And also going to play Peppers are T.E.
And trading for L.T.
And bernie kosar
Posted by: Chris Norman | Feb 28, 2008 9:18:18 AM
Stan's Panthers Insider: Rae Carruth.
Posted by: JanitorDan | Feb 28, 2008 9:34:35 AM
shut the hell up stan with this nonsense
Posted by: james | Feb 28, 2008 9:35:16 AM
Not going to happen, but still imagine the possibilities. Now that would be fun.
Posted by: jbw | Feb 28, 2008 9:40:32 AM
Tom Brady, with the exception of the Super Bowl, had excellent protection. Let's not lose sight of that as the foundation to this house we want to build. You build your team from the O line and D line out. You don't need superstars, you need steady, dependable, coachable guys who know how to be part of a team, don't point fingers at their teamates, and bring their lunch pail to work each day.
Posted by: w williams | Feb 28, 2008 9:53:20 AM
Is this post retaliation for Steve Smith hurting y'all's feelings with his air horn?
Posted by: jk | Feb 28, 2008 10:01:41 AM
This is so impossible that it isn't even worth discussing, although I will probably discuss it at a later time.
Posted by: m | Feb 28, 2008 10:24:48 AM
How is this not worth discussing? Of course it's probably not going to happen, but it's still fun to think about.
That's the whole point. Blog away.
RIP, Mittens.
Posted by: Mister Mittens | Feb 28, 2008 10:47:59 AM
This was a dumb article. Moss had one year of behaving...it won't last. Soon the 'Team Killer' will return and we don't want that.
Posted by: Jake | Feb 28, 2008 10:53:13 AM
He does live in charlotte, at least his kids and girlfriend
Posted by: Evan | Feb 28, 2008 11:00:26 AM
Jake Delhomme could have Jerry Rice on one side and Art Monk on the other side and he would still have "happy feet". Jake is average at best!
Posted by: Carl Leazer | Feb 28, 2008 11:02:43 AM
Maybe he is going to sign R. Moss to the Panthers on Madden 09.
Posted by: Christopher | Feb 28, 2008 11:06:20 AM
Ok Mittens, while we are at it we may as well discuss a potential trade for Ladanian Tomlinson or what if we still had Steven Davis in his prime, or if we can trade Jenkins for Welker and then sign Moss and even woo Brady to come on over....not because any of these things will ever happen but just because its 'fun to think about'
Posted by: mattdaddy | Feb 28, 2008 11:23:59 AM
Several points, but I'm aiming this at James in particular. As a couple of posters pointed out, this is all pie in the sky fun. I KNOW the Panthers have other needs, and I SAID that in the blog. But that doesn't mean we can't have a little fun thinking about possibilities...
Posted by: stan olson | Feb 28, 2008 11:25:02 AM
I should have just said, 'Uh, read the last paragraph of the blog again.'
Posted by: stan olson | Feb 28, 2008 11:26:19 AM
Yes, Stan is just mad that Smitty was blowing an air horn in his ear all year. To be honest people, I'd probably hit Stan in the head with something to.
Posted by: Michael | Feb 28, 2008 11:26:28 AM
Yeah, Carl...average enough to be the 16th-rated QB in NFL HISTORY.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 28, 2008 11:47:03 AM
Moss a Panther? Someone better give the traffic cops a heads up in Charlotte considering he ran one over in Minnesota.
Posted by: Bullseye | Feb 28, 2008 11:49:08 AM
Wow. Just...wow. All year posters to this blog have complained and speculated and dreamed about the hiring/firing of pretty much everyone related to football in the last five years. Now you're the ones telling someone his idea is stupid?
Give Stan a break- this post has value beyond wishful thinking. I never dreamed the Panthers would consider adding Moss, so it's NEWS that, indeed, such a move is not out of the question. Thanks, Stan, for providing information.
Now we can all go back to guessing why Pep had an off year and how many games the Panthers are going to lose next year. Would that make the mob happy?
Posted by: Jon | Feb 28, 2008 11:50:24 AM
I understand that this is all fun to think about..but Randy Moss is way overrated. If half of the corners that played against him knocked him in the mouth when he same off the snap as Lito Shepard did, he wouldnt been nearly as productive..He is not even on my wish list of receivers to have. Get over the whole Randy Moss this please..And paying him 60 mil. with 25 guaranteed is the big joke of it all.
Posted by: JV | Feb 28, 2008 12:10:09 PM
I know that the Panthers have a lot of other needs, but let's not forget...a football team is a business with the goal of selling their product. And putting Smitty and Moss on the same field 16 Sundays a year wil sell product.
Posted by: chbry | Feb 28, 2008 12:16:40 PM
I actually did have a dream the other night that Moss was signed to the Panthers, weird, I know.
Posted by: mattdaddy | Feb 28, 2008 12:24:04 PM
How could anyone think I posted this because I'm mad at Smith? His immaturity with the air horn doesn't change the fact that I think he's the league's best receiver. All having Moss would do is keep other teams from doubling up on him. Geez...
Posted by: stan olson | Feb 28, 2008 12:25:19 PM
Stan, did you post this because you are mad at Smith?
Posted by: LeeL | Feb 28, 2008 1:45:41 PM
It not bad he just giving his point of view ,you got to give it to him the article did get alot of intrest.
Posted by: telling it like it is | Feb 28, 2008 1:52:23 PM
Come on Stan, don't waste your time responding to the critics here. Its nice when writers respond to their readers but unless its a legitimate question then its really not worth your time.
Very funny LeeL, my point exactly. ;)
Posted by: Haywood Jablowmi | Feb 28, 2008 2:25:08 PM
@ mattdaddy
Except the difference is that Randy Moss is a free agent. And the Panthers have the cap space to actually sign him. Hence, while it is unlikely (and prefaced as so by Stan), it is still possible because of Moss' free agency, unlike your other proposals that would have to involve teams giving up key players.
Posted by: Mister Mittens | Feb 28, 2008 2:47:17 PM
Randy Moss is an ass and Foxie wouldn't tolerate any of his crap. There's no way he's gonna be a panther. Its not even fun, that's how much I hate him.
Posted by: PantherFan | Feb 28, 2008 4:27:03 PM
Are you really that desperate to find somthing to write about Stan?
Posted by: ha ha | Feb 28, 2008 4:30:05 PM
Smity and Moss on the outside would be nice, but having Moose to curl over the middle and block on runs is what we need.
Posted by: NCConch | Feb 28, 2008 5:03:33 PM
Where is all this hate for Randy Moss coming from? A lot of you post things about he is a cancer on his team, etc...but where is this coming from? He wasn't a cancer in Minnesota. Nor was he in Oakland. Oakland simply sucked. He seemed to do pretty well in New England. Breaking the NFL TD record for a WR and coming in 2nd in the league in yards for a WR. Can anyone actually say they wouldn't want him on your team? If so, thank goodness none of you are actually making decisions. If we were talking about T.O. I would be right there with you all. But Randy is not even close to T.O. The guy is a superstar, plain and simple. And get off Stan's back. If his blogs are so ridiculous, why did so many of you take the time to not only read it, but respond to it? As Stan wrote, this probably isn't going to happen but it's cool to think about. Sounds to me like he hit it right on the head. But my vote would be sign that man up. Yes we have other needs, but Smitty, Moss, and Moose would be incredible. It would be impossible to double these guys without leaving someone completely open.
Posted by: David I | Feb 28, 2008 6:59:05 PM
Yeah...Moss is one of the best citizens in pro football...it' not like he declared that he "plays when he wants to play" or left his team before the game was over in Minnesota. It's not like he gave up on routes, stood still on plays that weren't called forhim and refused to go into games when they were losing in Oakland. It's not like he got accused of assault and battery while a member of the Patriots. Since he's such a great addition to a team and is one of the best statistical wideouts in history, it's no wonder he's won five or six Super Bowls by now.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 28, 2008 7:52:05 PM
Well pencil it in with Brady coming to Carolina. If Moss to the Panthers. So go Brady. Go back late in the season when they asked Brady about Moss leaving. He said
"Im going were ever Moss go"...slide over Jake...Have fun with that. Get Vilma here
A S A P.........
Posted by: panther fan | Feb 28, 2008 8:12:55 PM
Tommy Kelly is going to show the league this is not a fluke...
Posted by: Raider Fan | Feb 28, 2008 8:15:43 PM
Get your tickets fans. Carolina playoff home field advantage tickets on sale....Get them while they last...
Posted by: Panthers in the zone | Feb 28, 2008 8:18:32 PM
"statistical wideout". That's classic Procton there, gotta love it.
anyway, its great we're freeing up all this money for FA, but has anyone looked at the available players? not very strong, and the guys at the top are going to be way overpaid. here's to hoping we don't overspend, like pat yastinkas on espn thinks we will.
i'm hoping they attempt to get a DE like bobby mccray or laboy (tennessee) if they can at a decen price. then the only other position i see that can help us at a "decent " price is WR. would like to see Johnston, Hackett, or andre davis, but they'll all be in about the 5 million/year range probablyl. and i don't think Carter coming back would be a bad thing, just no Colbert! just my 2 cents...
Posted by: bananas | Feb 28, 2008 9:38:51 PM
nevermind about andre davis, just read that the texans signed him last minute.
Posted by: bananas | Feb 28, 2008 9:52:46 PM
We won't sign moss. Richardson doesn't want any more egos to infect his team even though Randy has ties to Charlotte.
Posted by: strong | Feb 29, 2008 11:42:33 AM
While I agree that Moss would make our offense instantly difficult for opposing defenses, it won't happen. We can't even get the panthers to seriously pursue Alge Crumpler, a TE with skills that we have not had since Walls. I would love to see the Panthers sign Alge Crumpler & Bryant Johnson (Wr Cardinals). Looking at the mock drafts, we can get a quality backup RB in the draft. Hopefully, we are not done yet, but today's signing of Colcough makes no sense whatsoever. If we waited a little longer, Ricky Manning Jr. will be available again when the Bears release him. Being a Panthers fan is starting to be like a Cubs fan.
Posted by: CHARLIE | Mar 1, 2008 6:24:34 PM
Yeah...Crumpler has skills we haven't seen since Walls. And by "skills", we mean aching body parts that reduce his talent to the point where he hurts more than helps. And you're absolutely right about your suffering being like a Cubs fan. We haven't been one of the top four teams in the entire league twice in the last five years.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 2, 2008 12:03:57 PM
The Panthers are asleep and again are doing nothing. Richardson has given away the keys to the house and Hurney and Fox aren't smart enough to act on moves. Crumpler was suppose to come here well he signed with another team. We need a RB but we sit and do nothing. If anyone thought the fans were upset last year wait till this year if we don't make some moves. WE sent Jenkins to the Jets for picks why not for Vilma who was traded by the Jets for picks. I really am lost on why we are sitting still as always. Good Bye Fox and Hurney you won't be missed. Lets get Cowher a real coach in here.
Posted by: Tommy C | Mar 2, 2008 9:39:23 PM
Moss is still out there and now is agreeing to play with Culpepper. Vikings or the Jets look like it is it. But Vikings won’t any part. I see the Jets (Mangini) taking Moss from the Pats. Ha...sneaky.....but he is still available to sign anywhere. CAROLINA PATHERS sign him for 2 yrs. 14 million. 7 mil a year. Give him a 2 mil signing bonus. :)
Posted by: get it done | Mar 3, 2008 8:46:26 AM
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