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February 06, 2008
Looking closer at Peppers
What will the Panthers do with Julius Peppers? He enters the last season of his rookie contract (2008), and a long-term extension, which seemed a foregone conclusion at some point before last season, is no longer certain with Peppers coming off his worst season. He had a career-low 2.5 sacks (he had never been below seven before and was coming off a career-high 13). But in 2007, he was nowhere nearly as effective has he had been in the past, often having trouble against one on-one protection. He said several times he did not have a physical problem, although he was sick for about two weeks during camp. He often seemed listless. Part of the problem is if the Panthers do nothing, Peppers will count more than $14 million against the cap, a huge chunk of the team’s salary total, which expected to be increased to $116 million by the NFL for next year. It could have been more, but the $1.5 million bonus Peppers would have earned for selection to the Pro Bowl didn’t happen, and it was removed from the cap total. But that salary, which includes a $2.5 million roster bonus, isn’t likely to be a deal-breaker if the team decides to keep him without renegotiating to see if he can once again become an All-Pro. Do you expect a bounce-back season, making an extension worthwhile? The Panthers don’t have a lot of options at the position; if Mike Rucker comes back, it will likely be as a reserve, and neither Stanley McClover nor Charles Johnson made much of an impact last year, although some defensive ends take longer than others to develop. -- Stan Olson
Posted by Observer Sports on February 6, 2008 at 03:28 PM | Permalink
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I think you resign him no matter what. One bad season isn't enough to not include him in our future plans. I think his best is yet to come.
Posted by: Jake | Feb 6, 2008 4:04:52 PM
The Panthers should go ahead and extend him. He was ill this year and the effects were obvious, he should be ready to rock for 2008.
Posted by: John | Feb 6, 2008 4:04:58 PM
Right now his market value is at its lowest point in years, so it is the perfect time to negotiate a new, incentive heavy contract. If he reverts to his old form, or has another sub-par year, it's no problem either way.
Posted by: Paul | Feb 6, 2008 4:25:17 PM
Stan, you started the blog off by posing a question and never said what you thought or gave any insight.
I think they should let him play this year out and then tag him next year if they have trouble re-signing him at the end of the year.
Posted by: LeeL | Feb 6, 2008 4:48:55 PM
Lee, I actually like your idea. His value is at too low an ebb at this point to get good return in a trade. He needs to show that this year was a fluke, and I believe it was. The guy is simply too talented to do it again.
Posted by: stan olson | Feb 6, 2008 4:57:12 PM
I'll answer your question if you answer mine: What does Peppers weigh? Seriously.
He looks light, played light. Can't SOMEONE in the Panthers organization answer this?
I want a number, or a range of two numbers. Not this, "Well, you know, it varies...he's not sick...." stuff.
Posted by: JAT | Feb 6, 2008 5:22:08 PM
Resign him but put in a stadium-full number of incentives, like the pro-bowl, sacks, etc. so if he continues to suck you won't waste much money.
Posted by: jbw | Feb 6, 2008 5:24:50 PM
He will play this season out, probably at his current pay. At the end of the season he will be franchised.
Posted by: m | Feb 6, 2008 7:13:02 PM
Pep is fine,He is not the reason for a bad season,All of us watched our so-call offense get run-over,The D watched as well,What would make anybody play their best watchin THAT all season,Give him a break,Call off the dogs,IT WAS NOTHING TO PLAY FOR,We saw it ourselves,There was no future in that type of offense or whatever you call it,Put it this way I wouldnt have given my best neither,Its a waist!,This season he WILL be ready!
Posted by: #1 Fan | Feb 6, 2008 7:53:59 PM
Pepper's was making a boatload of money. That is a bunch of crap that he had nothing to play for.
Posted by: david | Feb 6, 2008 8:58:38 PM
you guy's are crazy to think that peppers season last year makes him a player with low value. the giants defense and in particular there 2 d ends strahan and osi killing tom brady in the superbowl..just skyrocketed peppers and any other halfway decent defensive end in the nfl. his value now...3 days after the superbowl is as high as ever. even talking about trading,cutting,or not giving him an extension is delusional.use him the way he is supposed to be used...as a pass rusher...not dropping back into coverage.
Posted by: haterade dog | Feb 6, 2008 9:51:49 PM
He dropped into coverage something like four times a game. And who's to say that wasn't the better option given he couldn't beat ANYBODY one-on-one?
Posted by: Michael Procton | Feb 6, 2008 10:48:44 PM
In response to JAT, according to the Panthers roster he weighed 283. The funny thing though is apparently Michael Strahan only weighs 255 and does fine against the bigger linemen. I know before Peppers had switched training methods or something..idk for sure. Im guessing either that has to do with his lack of performance or he just...had a bad season as most do one point in time.
I would resign him. I don't know about long distance....more like a 2-3 year contract just to see how he pans out. If he performs next season...great. If he still lacks in that department...when the contract runs out...release him for someone different. I'm a Peppers fan..always have been. But I'm also a diehard Panthers fan that doesn't want to see the team go down in flames because the lack of talent.
Posted by: Dustin | Feb 7, 2008 5:50:59 AM
To add to what i just posted...I glanced at #1 Fans post and couldnt agree more. It was not just Pep that made our record what it was, it was the entire team. Now I don't know if it was the players, coaches,or what. In my eyes it was a combination...but more leaning to the coaching. I think they made bad decisions all season as to who to start in games. Like with Jarrett..said he couldn't keep up with the playbook or something but...i would think the best way for him to get experience would be to well.....play. Carr was a huge mistake and Vinny did what he could. Some would agree and some disagree but with the 3 QB's we had to choose from (Carr, Testeverde, Moore), Moore was the best choice. Not because he was guaranteed to win the game, but gave the best chance. If they keep Carr and get rid of Moore bc Basanez is coming back...another mistake by the Panthers.
Posted by: Dustin | Feb 7, 2008 5:57:21 AM
Stan, could you present stats on how the Panther defense ranked in the NFL this past year. After watching the playoffs and the Super Bowl, a good DC is worth his weight in gold. Why in the world is Ron Rivera coaching LB's in San Diego?
Posted by: rick | Feb 7, 2008 6:26:41 AM
I like the idea of resigning him this year after having such an off year with heavy incentives. Watching Peppers this year it was difficult to believe it was the same guy I have watched in years past. It is hard to believe there wasn't something physically wrong with him.
I agree with rick that a good DC is worth his weight in gold. Fox was a good DC, so was the guy who is now the Jacksonville coach. The thing I liked about the Giants DC is he was going to make sure one way or another that pressure was put on Brady. I could not understand why Trgovic didn't run more blitzes this year when the front four wasn't getting pressure on the quarterback. In the NFL you cannot let a quarterback have time. If you do he is going to pick you apart. The old adage that you run and stop the run should be changed to you protect your quarterback and knock the heck out of the other team's quarterback. This last Super Bowl was a testament to that change.
I thought our 3 cornerbacks were pretty effective this year in man to man pass coverage. With pressure they would have been alot more effective.
Posted by: Dan | Feb 7, 2008 7:43:26 AM
How about we look at the total body of work for Julius peppers. He has been an unbelieveable DE every year except last year. If the Panthers don't re-sign him they are stupid. Peppers will bounce back. The main problems last year on D were a lack of help on the rest of the D-Line & poor schemes and playcalling from Trgovac. Kemoeatu was a bad move. He makes NO plays. Jenkins was OK. Rucker was sub par. Peppers looked frustrated last year. I would be too if my defensive coach was taking one of the best DE's in football and dropping him into coverage 7 or 8 times a game.
Posted by: Eric | Feb 7, 2008 8:41:56 AM
I think NOT giving him his new contract before the season begins sends a message to him that the Panthers expect better play and are not ready to reward such performance as last year's with a new contract. Peppers knows he needs not only to impress the Panthers but the other teams in the league as well if he wants 'Freeney'-money after this season. If the Panthers cave and give him that kind of money before the season starts, what's the motivation, after last season, to do better/try harder?
Posted by: Easy | Feb 7, 2008 9:14:27 AM
When do we plan to make some coaching change announcements? I, for one, can't believe that we haven't replaced our special teams coach as yet. These are the thoughts that make sense to me.
1. Cut or re-structure Wahle
2. Cut or re-structure Lucas
3. Cut or re-structure Gamble
4. Cut or re-structure Kemoeatu.
5. Cut or re-structure Foster
6. Cut or re-structure Hartwig
7. Cut Jason Kyle, David Carr, James Anderson,Keary Colbert, Deke Cooper, Brad Hoover, Marq Manuel, Evan Mathis & Dante
Wesley.
8. Sign Jordan Gross
9. At the right price, re-sign Travelle
Wharton, Drew Carter & Mike Rucker.
10. Almost forgot, cut Dan Morgan.
11. In free agency, pick up a WR, DE & DT.
12. In the draft, pick-up a S, RB & two OL.
13. Last & certainly not least, make a decision on Julius Peppers & go with it or
we'll have an albatross hanging over us until we do.
14. The keyword for the Panthers in their
decision making process should & will be
"TOUGHNESS."
Posted by: mo | Feb 7, 2008 10:44:31 AM
Where is Procton? Did his mom take away his computer?
Posted by: Steven | Feb 7, 2008 10:50:29 AM
Guys, the bottom line is Pep doesn't enjoy football...never really has. He looks listless because he is. He'd rather play basketball (not that he could play in the NBA necessarily). His heart just isn't in football.
Posted by: Spanky | Feb 7, 2008 12:08:24 PM
Mo, there is a thing in the NFL called the salary cap. Google it.
Posted by: LeeL | Feb 7, 2008 1:02:05 PM
We are going to far with this let Peppers go talk. He had 1 bad season. He can bounce back be a Pro Bowler again. Don't give up on him just cause he didn't play to his potential this past season.
Posted by: EG | Feb 7, 2008 1:09:21 PM
I agree that we should let this year play out, if he can even remotely show some form of his old self, he at least deserves to have a contract offered. For god sakes, we extended Dan Morgan, and he has only had one really productive year, even then he missed alot of games. At least Julius dosnt miss many games, and alot of the opposing offensive cordinators have to game plan around him. If we could just get Peppers mad before each game, he would be all pro til he retires.
Posted by: Big B. | Feb 7, 2008 5:45:35 PM
Here is a good article on ESPN.COM of the panthers current situation. I have always said they are too loyal to expired talents.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3233526
Posted by: Matt | Feb 7, 2008 7:46:10 PM
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