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March 28, 2008
Panthers sign versatile OL Milford Brown
It's beginning to look like the Panthers are out to sign every guard they can
find.
Brown's signing comes on the heels of the team's agreement with another giant guard, Toniu Fonoti, on Tuesday, adding to the impression that Carolina wants to get bigger along the line and exploit the power running game.
Brown, 28, has played with Houston, Arizona and St. Louis over six seasons. He had 16 starts over four seasons with the Texans, then started 12 games for the Cardinals in 2006. With St. Louis in 2007, Brown started nine games at left guard, four at right tackle and two at right guard. The Panthers like linemen with that kind of versatility.
In addition to these two, Carolina has loaded up at the position with Keydrick Vincent and a likely shift of Travelle Wharton from tackle. Geoff Hangartner also returns. Expect the O-line, which is likely to be bolstered by an offensive tackle in the draft, to have a completely different look this fall.
-- Stan Olson
Posted by Observer Sports on March 28, 2008 at 10:48 AM | Permalink
Comments
The Panthers are stacking the deck. I hope it pays off. They have not changed their foundation too much (with the exception of Foster). Jake, Smith, and Peppers are still a part of the team, but everything will be different this season. It looks good from here, I just hope it plays out that way (healthy and effective Jake)!!!
Posted by: Panthers2003 | Mar 28, 2008 10:54:22 AM
Well there's another versatile OL. Looks like they could be prepping to draft Mendenhall.
Posted by: Zuul | Mar 28, 2008 11:09:31 AM
Interesting move, given Brown DOES have the capacity to play tackle (albeit not particularly well.) He's got some decent athleticism for his size, too. At this point, you wonder if they've fallen to a backup plan of keeping the OTs the same (Gross RT/Wharton LT and hoping improved play on the interior line will be the source of improvement.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 28, 2008 11:14:35 AM
I hate to be that guy, but isn't a common theme of the Texans, Cardinals, and Rams injured quarterbacks?
Just saying...
Posted by: swiznami | Mar 28, 2008 11:18:17 AM
I can dig it. They're signing a bunch of guards and will weed out the bad ones at training camp. I'm thinking that Wahle must have really stunk up the joint last year in the coaches' minds.
Posted by: Authority on Everything | Mar 28, 2008 11:21:47 AM
It's the divisional playoffs versus the Rams. Davis, who has rushed for over 1400 yards on the season, is injured. None the less, the Panthers have already tallied 200 rushing yards by the 4th quarter (70 of those coming from Foster). Minter intercepts a pass in Panther teritory. The Cats drive down the field into Rams' territory with a couple of brilliant receptions from Smith. The ball is on the 25 and Foster gets the ball, dances around and loses seven yars. Do Fox & Hurney put the ball in the air on 3rd and 14 to let the amazing Smith make the play??
Posted by: SYRPIS | Mar 28, 2008 10:42:51 AM
The answer is NO! It's yet another draw play on 3rd and long (something very common in the league, BTW). After destroying Panther momentum in the previous play and bring the Ram crowd back into the game, does Foster get shut down? The answer is NO again. Wow! How did the Foster of that year make that play, but struggled to do so since?? The answer is simple... Stussie, Mitchell, Gross, Donalley and even James do a exellent job getting off of the ball to push the defense backwards. Foster has only one tack to break 10 yards later to make the play and get the first down!
To sum up: 1)The Panthers do need to draft a monster LT in the first round (and maybe another OT later) and 2)they are on the right track to bringing the team back to its former glory. The proof is in the pudding...
Procton responded...
Jeno James was a great guard for us that year. He was a BEAST when pulling and blocking for Davis on the off-tackle sweep.
Posted by: SYRPIS | Mar 28, 2008 11:22:25 AM
I agree with you 100% Procton! I was upset when we lost him to the Dolphins for a going rate of $3M/yr. Stussie was cut b4 the roids scandal, Donnalley retired and Mitchell would not resign for a reasonable contract. The team has not been the same since. I just hope that we don't have another Seifert repeat, where the o-line gets rebuilt, only to see the coaching staff have a bad season and get cut loose just to see the next regime reap the benefits. Let's not forget teams like the Giants and Steelers whose team coaches were on the hot seat before the won the big show!
Posted by: SYRPIS | Mar 28, 2008 11:27:36 AM
Procton,
Thank you for repeating my thoughts from 4 blogs ago.
Posted by: Steven | Mar 28, 2008 11:31:33 AM
Looks to me they are wanting to move the line around and see if we can draft mendenhall. Although I would probably still prefer a tackle but lets see who else the panthers grab.
Posted by: Beasons-A-Beast | Mar 28, 2008 11:43:47 AM
"All of this has to make you wonder if the team might be thinking that Jeremy Bridges has reached the cuttable portion of his contract."
Quote is from:
http://www.carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=546
It looks like the organization is back on track as far as off-the-field character issues too! Brilliant!!! I can finally take pride in my team once again (win or lose)!!!!!
Posted by: SYRPIS | Mar 28, 2008 11:45:52 AM
I think that I like this signing. I am beginning to get the feeling that the zone blocking scheme that was supposed to be the answer to all our prayers is dwindling away. This guy is huge and so is fontini or whatever his name is. It seems like we are deffinately moving back to a power running attack.I hope that it works. Anything is better than the poor excuse for an offence that we've had the last 2 seasons. Still should get a solid tackle in the draft. These guys haven't proved that they can produce yet. RB in the 1st would be a waste. Not the biggest need this year. Go Panthers! Keep up the good work fox and hurney.
Posted by: jake | Mar 28, 2008 11:53:00 AM
KEEP ON SIGN CAROLINA PANTHER !!!!!
Posted by: DANNY | Mar 28, 2008 11:57:29 AM
Stan
I'd agree with sentiment in the comments and say this seems more like a sign that the Panthers are standing pat at OT with Wharton and Gross or Gross and Bridges. It seems unlikely that they would sign all these OL and then draft an OT in Round 1, unless Mathis' days are also done.
Also, would have to think this makes signing Simms very unlikely.
Posted by: John | Mar 28, 2008 11:58:55 AM
@ M.Procton
Thats what i was thinking..The Panthers are going to switch Gross & Wharton.But they are really serious about getting our run game going.A running back with the 13 pick don't sound to far out the picture now.
Posted by: Damon | Mar 28, 2008 12:09:26 PM
Guys this is an exact blueprint of the New England Patriots. They load up on lineman and create competition at the position. This will improve our running game more than anything else not giving a guarantee to anyone that they have a starting job. I LOVE IT!!! MAY THE BEST MEN WIN!!!
Posted by: wowo | Mar 28, 2008 12:10:26 PM
Guys, I agree as far as the Sims thing goes; Brown can fill in as a backup. But I'm still not convinced that a talented OT won't be first up in the draft...
As for the zone blocking, it's starting to look that way, although nobody inside the organization is saying that. Bigger bodies....
Posted by: stan olson | Mar 28, 2008 12:15:51 PM
I don't usually comment but I thought you guys might have commenting on this mock from rivals.com. They have Carolina taking Brian Brohm in the 1st round.
http://nfldraft.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=775564
Posted by: KF | Mar 28, 2008 12:32:24 PM
Richardson must have made himself clear at his lake house last fall. Power football! A good move covering their bases. They want to try and fill as many needs as possible before the draft so they don't have to reach for a specific position. I may be alone but I'd rather Wharton at LT than a rookie. Last year he was coming off a bad injury and played pretty well. He'll never be an elite tackle but who cares. He'll play solid and that's all we'll need. Works for the Patriots (granted they have Brady). Fox wants beef up the middle and so he'll need to start force feeding the smaller Kalil. And for god's sake leave Gross at RT. Every year he gets switched to the other side and usually stuggles. Leave him be! Tackle will be addressed at some point in the draft guaranteed. It's a deep position. But I for one will expect a power RB early and will enjoy the Panther's getting back to smash mouth football. Go Panthers!
Posted by: gradyhog | Mar 28, 2008 12:36:10 PM
The cats will likely still look at OT at #13. Most of these aren't quality starters, and are at most depth at worst camp fodder. I still believe that the smart pick is a good OT unless Clady and Williams are both gone, then I might look at Meandhall or trade down and look at Stewart.
Posted by: jbw | Mar 28, 2008 12:59:56 PM
Exploit the power running game, with who? i hope they are going after a big back in the draft because dave megget, i mean d. williams sure ain't the answer if you talking bout power running game.
Posted by: Samad | Mar 28, 2008 1:07:29 PM
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Posted by: patriots cheat... thats how they win | Mar 28, 2008 1:20:50 PM
I wonder if the Panthers are looking alot higher than Mendenhall, possibly Chris Long. They have the picks, players etc Miami may want for a trade. Imagine Long and Peppers together. Fox has to be drooling at the thought of them together.
Posted by: chknwing | Mar 28, 2008 1:26:09 PM
Wowo the difference between us and the Patriots is their OL is good, wish I could say the same about the cat's line
Posted by: John | Mar 28, 2008 2:15:31 PM
I agree with Damon, this may mean that they will go for Mendenhall in the 1st rd, not that I necessarily agree with it BUT the draft is deept at OT and they could get a really solid one in 2, or trade up some extra picks and move into the 1st rd x2 and get both.
Posted by: Ben | Mar 28, 2008 2:45:49 PM
Mendenhall, Otah, or Harvey? Regardless, the debate could go on and on for all you ladies. Sorry SYRPIS if I offended your Cyber world. No way Clady falls past KC or their stupid, just like him. Williams is not better than Otah and I am not the only one saying this, please forget about that one. What's interesting is that Matt Ryan could fall not only to us, but all the way down to the bottom of round 1 to possibly GB. If Atlanta and Baltimore pass, I just hope Hurney and company don't bite on this average talent. My ultimate wish is for us to trade down for a 2 rd pick and snatch the OT from Boston College. 2 picks in the round 2 to address RB first; I like the kid out of East Carolina or Stewart if he falls that far, then feed the Defensive Line. Then 2 picks in round 3!
Posted by: JD | Mar 28, 2008 2:54:45 PM
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah,
What a joke of a headline, versatile?!?
He is terrible. A fourth stringer for sure.
The only reason he played all of those positions listed (last year with the rams) is because the rams oline had a hundred injuries last season.
Posted by: xKURTWARNERx | Mar 28, 2008 3:00:09 PM
I am glad we are getting deep with some hog maulers in the middle. If our O-Line can give DeAngelo 2 yards every play, he will make something happen as long as he has some wiggle room.
Posted by: James327 | Mar 28, 2008 3:16:06 PM
Hey EVERYONE NFL network and .com lol has us taking Ryan Clady in the draft. Personelly I dont think we wil go that rought I think we should go with Derrick Harvey. WHT R YALLS THOUGHTS?
Posted by: paul | Mar 28, 2008 4:17:46 PM
This just makes me think we're going DE in the 1st. We now have a couple of options at OT before the OT packed draft.....why draft one high? Then go after RB or FS maybe a good kick returner???
Obviously the thought of Long & Peppers is nice, but is it realistic?
Posted by: pnthrfan | Mar 28, 2008 4:25:33 PM
It's all about contingency plans for the draft. If Clady's gone at #13 and Mendenhall's there for the taking, we take Mendenhall and see if we can get Williams late in the first by trading back up. That'd be my best-case scenario, to tell the truth.
Posted by: Authority on Everything | Mar 28, 2008 4:56:16 PM
Another Guard? I hope this doesn't mean they aren't shifting Wharton...that guy's a horrendous tackle
I don't like the idea that theyr'e going to a power running game..DeAngelo isn't a power runner, Goings and Toefield aren't premier backs and Mendenhall doesn't seem to fit that either...
It's really unfair to judge Zoneblocking based on One season behind an O-line that terrible..Wharton at LT, Kalil and Hartwig at Center and of course the never ending cycle of Bridges, Kalil, Hangarter and whoever the hell else Fox could find at RG...
A shift back to the powergame won't work unless the team thinks to use Toefield or Goings as the primary ballcarrier
Posted by: Sir Auron | Mar 28, 2008 5:44:35 PM
i still think it'll be a zone blocking scheme but we'll have the bodies for the short yardage situations. Wharton will be a beast at LG so, with all the talent around (unfortunately) Otah is the best run blocker at LT but i really have not a clue what were gona do i just hope its good. this team needs a spark, to lift spirits. im from cleveland (but lived in the charlotte area for awhile), and i can say that a good LT has really made all the difference. I hope that can make the diff. for us too.
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Posted by: John Fox | Mar 28, 2008 6:45:39 PM
Every one is talking about panthers needing a LT from everything I have saw gross and wharton are expected to play the tackle positions and we have sighned 3 other offensive lineman that all started last year so we are actualy pretty deep at the o-line spots. They are starting to show in a lot of mock drafts the panthers taking chad henne the qb from michigan. On espn earlier they said he is realy rising in the draft and that the panthers have shown intrest in him.
Posted by: chris | Mar 28, 2008 7:32:26 PM
We'd have to be drunk to take a QB in the first. I still think it makes the most sense to trade back. Don't forget, our 3rd rounder from the JETS is like the 5th pick in round three, it's pretty much like having a 2nd, plus our 2nd, plus another 2nd from trading back, plus our third. The only problem with that plan, is figuring out which stud to pick first. I could be wrong.
Posted by: MikeD | Mar 28, 2008 9:16:57 PM
John I agree that the Pats OL is good. That is because competition makes them better. Either play well or get out.
JBW- How can you say there are no quality starters in out of the top 5 OT in the draft. Wharton was a quality starter his rookie season in the 3rd round. They are out there. Sam Baker from USC will be available in the 2nd round. He played at USC which uses zone blocking. The Panthers don't need to take a OT in the 1st get Derrick Harvey or if you move up don't move up to get long. Move up 2or 3 spots with a 3,4,or 5 round pick and get Sedrick Ellis or if even lucky enough Glenn Dorsey!! True NEEDS for the Panthers.
Posted by: wowo | Mar 28, 2008 9:53:34 PM
wowo,
Good thinking but my thoughts are were staying where were at. Harvey or Mendenhall is good for me.
Round 1. Rasherd Mendenhall RB Illinois
Round 2. Calias Campell DE Miami
Thats what I think we should do for rounds one and two.
Posted by: paul | Mar 29, 2008 5:03:19 AM
Obey Procton!
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Posted by: Proctologist | Mar 29, 2008 5:37:57 AM
anyone who thinks we need a RB in the first round is crazy. there are other needs to address first. ie: OT, DE, FS....after addressing these needs, maybe pick up a RB, and definitely get a good FB like Schmitt or somebody in a later round!
Posted by: ncbelly | Mar 29, 2008 7:18:09 AM
I JUST CANT SEE THEM PICKING A Q.B. I THOUGHT MOORE LOOKED GREAT LAST YEAR AGAINST SOME GOOD TEAMS. HES 6.5 WITH A CANON ARM. I ACTUALLY WANT HIM TO START.
FOX DOESNT VALUE SAFETIES SO I DONT SEE THEM PICKING ONE.
I THINK THEY LIKE DEANGELO A LOT AND PICKED UP TOEFIELD TO BE THE POWER BACK.
FOX BELIEVES YOU STOP THE RUN AND RUN THE BALL. CHUCK NOLL IS HIS HERO. I DONT SEE THEM GETTING OUT OF THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS WITHOUT A DEF TACKLE, OFF TACKLE, AND DEF END. THE DRAFT IS DEEP WITH THESE.
I DONT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEYRE DOING AT GUARD. I TAPE ALL THE GAMES AND I THOUGHT BRIDGES DID A GOOD JOB AT R GUARD. PLUS HE CAN PLAY R TACKLE.
I CAN ONLY FIGURE THAT THEY FEEL FONOTI IS A LONGSHOT AND MATHIS IS GONE.
WE HAVE AN EXTRA 3RD ROUND PICK. THAT PICK MAY BE THE KEY TO HOW WE DRAFT. PLUS THE PICKS WE GOT FROM THE JETS ARE EARLY 3RD AND 5TH. IT COULD GET INTERESTING.
Posted by: RAY | Mar 29, 2008 7:58:40 AM
All this has to make you wonder though. Does Fox and Hurney still plan to take a OL in the draft? After all, they have been meeting with some of the top first round RB's in the draft. I wouldn't be suprised if they bolster the offensive line here in the offseason and go ahead and take Felix Jones in the draft. He has the power running skills and size to complement Williams in that position and bring the whupass to the speedyass.
I'm not saying it's likely, I'm saying that it might be possible with all these moves they're making. Right now they have a decent offensive line at the worst, perhaps they think that other positions is a tad more important to think about at this time.
Just a little nugget for you all to ponder.
Posted by: Revshawn | Mar 29, 2008 8:14:13 AM
I think we should go for a de/ss/t inthe first because theres a running back out of tulane named forte hes like 6'2" 235 and very fast for his size alot of people are saying hes one of the best sleepers in this draft
Posted by: matt | Mar 29, 2008 9:04:27 AM
Ohio State football is so pathetic. I cant wait to watch them choke in the big game again this year.
Posted by: billy bucky | Mar 29, 2008 9:09:39 AM
The Panthers must take Mendenhall in the first. Big Ten running backs always excel at the next level, and if you don't believe that just ask me.
Posted by: Ki-Jana Carter | Mar 29, 2008 9:10:53 AM
the 3rd round might be a great place for the panthers to pick up a power back with that early jets pick. we can get by with the off tackles we have but i see a nightmare scenario of teams running all over us if we dont get some defensive tackles. i cant see fox allowing that.
Posted by: ray | Mar 29, 2008 9:11:14 AM
There is a thousand ways the Panthers can go in the draft, and knowing there past draft history it is a toss-up what they might do. Seeing as though so many times they have taken the best athlete available regardless of position.
Posted by: tommy | Mar 29, 2008 10:11:15 AM
Ki-Jana Carter I ask you, Which Big Ten Runningback did the Panthers Draft with a early 1st round pick? Tishmunga Biakabafumble!!! Even though I think Mendenhall is extremely talanted and would not mind to see it happen. There are some really talanted RB in the latter rounds of this draft: Ray Rice, Mike Hart, Chris Johnson, Felix Jones, a guy I think will be a diamond in the rough Cory Boyd from South Carolina. Enough depth at OT to take one in the 2nd round. Enough depth at RB to take one in the 3rd round. Take Derrick Harvey or The meanest, nastiest DL or DE available but then if Mendenhall is a Very Special Player you don't pass on him!
Posted by: wowo | Mar 29, 2008 10:25:12 AM
Ki-jana take your candy ass and tell that to Larry Johnson.Granted big 10 backs have struggled,but when people like you say that they are all bust just because they came from a confrence show's your lack of football knowledge.
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | Mar 29, 2008 10:42:54 AM
@ Matt
Though Forte is one of the bigger backs in the draft his 40 time of 4.63 was the 5th slowest of the top 30 RB's at the combine. I say we grab him if he slips to the 3rd or 4th round....Also, SS in the first round??
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 11:10:35 AM
@ Paul
Also, Campbell has been sliding on many draft boards and some have him as low as the middle of the 4th round.....Walterfootball.com wrote "He showed up overweight and sluggish at his Pro Day. If he can't get motivated to stay in shape before even making it to the NFL, what's going to happen once he receives his first paycheck?"
Doesn't sound good for this guy...
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 11:20:32 AM
I look at 12 different mock drafts with the Panthers taking 11 different players in the first round. Two of the 12 had them taking Derrick Harvey DE. The run down was three different OT's, one DE, one RB, one CB, one FS, two OLB, one OG, one QB
The names mentioned in the 12 mock drafts were.
Ryan Clady OT
Chris Williams OT
Jeff Otah OT
2 for Derrick Harvey DE
Rashard mendenhall RB
Leodis Mckelvin CB
Kenny Phillips FS
Dan Connor OLB
Keith Rivers OLB
Brian Brohm QB
Brenden Albert OG
I guess we'll have to wait and see!
Posted by: tommy | Mar 29, 2008 11:21:59 AM
Chris.....Please let me know what mock drafts have us taking Chad Henne in the first round...
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 11:26:35 AM
Tommy....any mock draft that has us taking a LB, Phillips, or QB in the 1st are probably outdated...I would definately check that...
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 11:30:17 AM
its obvious that were gona take a DE or OT and thats all there is too it...than we can officially hang our hats on the O line just like every GREAT team does...the announcers will be saying less 3rd and longs and more third and a short one. thats the diff. btw. a 7-9 team and 11-5 team.
Posted by: randy | Mar 29, 2008 12:43:36 PM
rhack,
3/25----- Phillips, WWW.draftking.com
3/7 OLB Dan Connor huddlegeeks.com
3/26 QB Brian Brohm, NFLdraft. rivals.com
OLB Kieth Rivers 3/27 www.djnflmockdraft.com
Posted by: tommy | Mar 29, 2008 12:54:58 PM
NFLMOCKDRAFTACES.com has us trading up to #7 with New England and taking QB Matt Ryan
Posted by: tommy | Mar 29, 2008 12:57:58 PM
Thanks for those sites Tommy...I just think that any mock draft that has Calias Campbell going 6th, Brohm going 8th, Clady going 15th (after us), and no Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie going in the 1st round is pretty inaccurate. Most of those sites that you listed have similar scenarios and even though they say that they are updated, no changes have ever been made.....I have found the most accurate and most constantly updated mock draft board to be.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 1:10:42 PM
They give a mock though 5 rounds...
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 1:13:51 PM
Walterfooball has us picking
1st round: Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
2nd round: Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
3rd round: Matt Forte, RB, Tulane
Quintin Demps, FS, UTEP
4th round: Chris Harrington, DE, Texas A&M
If this scenario happened, I could live with this....
Posted by: rhackney | Mar 29, 2008 1:28:58 PM
Here is what I would love to see in the first two rounds. 1.Jeff Otah,It seems the panthers are going back to a power running game and this guy is a mauler with lots of potential. 2. Dre Moore, a bit of a boom or bust pick but if the light comes on he could rival jenkins in his prime. In the third round maybe a safety and a defensive end. The reason there is no running back yet is because a power scheme doesnt nessesarily need a power back. Emmit Smith,Ladanian Tomlinson anyone?
Posted by: jordan | Mar 29, 2008 1:55:33 PM
Trade Peppers for top five pick. Get one of the DL studs and keep the #13 for LT. Peppers is overpaid and we could use the money to upgrade in other areas. Get some value before he leaves >
Posted by: kelso | Mar 29, 2008 3:14:56 PM
Ok wht i think
1. Rashard Mendenhall
2. Cherlius OT
3. Calias Campbell DE
4. A SS
Posted by: paul | Mar 29, 2008 3:26:21 PM
Oh and also for soem reason their signing all these offensive lineman somethings up i dont know what it is but it must be good we have never signed this many men. This has been one of the most buissiest offseason i have seen in long time. Holt @ safety i think he'll improve the DB's alot more than cooper and cooper was decent. I cant wait till the seaosn im so pumped but not pumped about the TICKET PRICING but anything for my Carolina Panthers!!!!
Posted by: paul | Mar 29, 2008 3:32:06 PM
I Like WalterFootball scenario.
But with the OL Brown signed maybe Fox or Hurley select a DE or DT in the 1st RD.
Posted by: Pantro | Mar 29, 2008 3:37:08 PM
Panthers start with the following OL: Khalil, Gross, Wharton, Vincent, Brown.
All of you talk about RB's who is the partner od DeAngelo Williams and bla bla bla. Panthers have a RB with a lot of potential in Alex Haynes. Imagine D.Williams, Alex Haynes, Nick Goings ---- L. Toefield as a power HB it sounds good.
I think that the Carolina Panthers need to add more depth in OL, DL and obviously FS (D. Morgan or Q. Demps are good options in Safety Position)
Posted by: pantro | Mar 29, 2008 3:48:01 PM
dont change the subject pantro!
Posted by: paul | Mar 29, 2008 4:21:14 PM
Nick Goings is done,I wouldnt be suprised to see him cut after training camp. I respect him for what he has done for the Panthers in the past,but he couldnt even play Special Teams consistently last season.Any time a player has to avoid sunlight because of Headaches, avoid sunlight/artifical light and sit in a dark room with concussion problems thats not a good sign.Hell, even Mr. Concussion Himself,Dan Morgan didnt have those problems.
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | Mar 29, 2008 7:41:36 PM
So that leaves the Panthers with DLo,Toefield and Haynes.Then what?
It seems that you OT hopefuls still havent realized how much money they have spent on the Offensive line now,They are NOT going to spend first round MONEY on another one.
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | Mar 29, 2008 7:45:23 PM
"Expect the O-line to have a completely different look this fall"...that seems to be one consistent year to year with the Panthers. When while they get that most productive offenses start with Oline consistency? Don't read me wrong, it's time for this type of overhaul, but they should use the draft and sign free agents that will be around for longer than 1 year!
Posted by: Panther Fan | Mar 29, 2008 8:04:16 PM
Why would I dedicate all my hopes of a power running game to a guy who couldn't even make the regular roster, and was flickering on and off the practice squad for 4 straight years?
What is his name you ask? His name is Alex Haynes.
Trust me on this one. We don't want to dedicate our entire offense to a practice squader. John Fox would have to be some kinda drunk if he doesn't get an extra backs by the time the regular season starts.
Toefield sounds much better as a powerback.
Posted by: Revshawn | Mar 30, 2008 6:53:52 AM
OK, there is absolutely no chance that either Cherlius OT or Calias Campbell DE fall past the first round. If you think so, please send me the link that has either one of these two outside the first round b/c I'm not buying it.
Posted by: JDK | Mar 30, 2008 8:49:11 AM
or the DT Balmer from NC.
Posted by: JDK | Mar 30, 2008 8:53:08 AM
Mocks with No Campbell: http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2008.php
http://www.insidetheeagles.com/2008mockdraft.htm
http://www.junkyardjake.com/NFLDraft/index.htm
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 30, 2008 10:57:33 AM
Marks with No Campbell and No Cherilius:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008matt.php
http://www.thenflhouse.com/33133/182918.html
http://www.freewebs.com/footballthoughts/nflmockdraft2008.htm
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 30, 2008 10:57:58 AM
Trust in Alex Haynes.
He is the perfect guy to make a terrific duo with DeAngelo and also add L. Toefield as a powerback. Thats a great trio TRUST ME!!
Select DT, OL, DE, FS, QB, TE in the First 5th Rounds.
Posted by: pantro | Mar 30, 2008 11:37:12 AM
This article has been the latest for 2 days now. The observer is a major paper, put some new material up.
This paper is a joke when it comes to Panthers coverage.
Posted by: Steven | Mar 30, 2008 11:51:01 AM
Then STFU Steven and go suck on Steve reed's Cock some more already,you know writers and other people do have lives beside sitting on there Cpu and checking blogs all day.
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | Mar 30, 2008 12:06:49 PM
Ghost of Sparta = Charles Chandler
Posted by: IseeYou | Mar 30, 2008 1:14:27 PM
JDK, you just got Procton'ed. I find it hilarious you are so brilliant to the point that you know there is NO CHANCE Campbell falls out of the 1st. The guy was fat, slow, and lazy at the combine. Some mocks have him going in the 4th round. Sounds like a first round lock huh!
Posted by: Mark | Mar 30, 2008 1:17:22 PM
Ghost,
Don't you have homework to do? This is a sunday edition to a paper, put out a news story. I am not saying it has to be a blog, but an article would be nice.
I can tell you are a kid using text message terms. FAG.
Posted by: steven | Mar 30, 2008 3:14:16 PM
Hey Procton and your lady friend Mark. If you girls wouldn't mind visiting NFL.com, CBSsportline.com, and Foxsports.com for some real analysis, you might see what I am talking about.
Posted by: JDK | Mar 30, 2008 3:27:11 PM
http://walterfootball.com/draft2008matt.php
http://www.thenflhouse.com/33133/182918.html
http://www.freewebs.com/footballthoughts/nflmockdraft2008.
Thanks Procton
Posted by: JDK | Mar 30, 2008 3:29:17 PM
This guy will make the pro bowl.
Posted by: Charles Chandler | Mar 30, 2008 7:51:37 PM
Mocks are a good guide to see how the picks may play out, but obviously aren't anything definite and offer no guarantees for the most part. How many mocks had Quinn and Beason getting picked in the 20's of the 1st round last year? Most had Quinn going no lower than 9th and Beason not even in the 1st round...
Stan, most other teams' local guys have been updating who is/is not participating in the offseason workouts. Can you guys give an update on that? Is Peppers participating or still out of town at NBA games? Steve Smith? Is Delhomme able to do anything?
Posted by: Chad | Mar 31, 2008 4:32:35 AM
What's the latest on Peppers? Has he showed up for workouts yet?
Posted by: EG | Mar 31, 2008 6:08:44 AM
AHA! Little did we know that Mr. JDK himself was the source to confirm or reject any internet mock draft as reputable or "real analysis." I'll come back to you next time before I make such a mistake again.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 31, 2008 11:59:38 AM
Wow, Steven your so tough,talking smack on a message blog.You must be the smartest,toughest,most Hardcore poster on the Observer's sports section.You truly are a badass ,Sir.
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | Mar 31, 2008 12:12:13 PM
Everyone is worried about the OT position. But if you watched the same games i did last year, we got ran all over. Fred Taylor absolutley embarrased us. Trade up and get Dorsey(A beast before getting injured on a dirty play last year), or ellis. Running Backs will be avaliable in Round 2 and 3. The Oregon rb in round 2 would be nice, or a OT/FS there is good also
Posted by: Trey A | Mar 31, 2008 4:41:24 PM
That's ridiculous, Trey. Taylor's 80-yard run was the only run of 40+ they allowed all year, and their number of 20+-runs (9) ranked well within the top half of the league. INCLUDING Taylor's run, their YPC allowed (3.8) ranked FOURTH in the entire league. We got no pressure on the QB, but given that we were behind all the time, we did a GREAT job against the run. Granted, the loss of Jenkins is relatively unlikely to help in that department (particularly since Damione Lewis is less than stout as a run defender), but Kemoeatu occupies blockers well, and we've got a fast LB corps that gets to the ballcarrier. Stewart won't last until our pick in round 2 (if he gets to that round at all, and it'll be too expensive to move up for Ellis or Dorsey barring an astounding draft-day collapse. There are value guys in round 3 (Trevor Laws, Red Bryant, etc) at the position, and there will be cuts following the draft, but it's not an immediate need because of poor performance last year.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 31, 2008 5:58:31 PM
If you ask Ghost of Sparta what time it is, he always says, "Two seconds 'til." After you ask, "Two seconds 'til what?" he roundhouse kicks you in the face.
Posted by: Chuck Norris | Mar 31, 2008 6:23:09 PM
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