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May 10, 2008
By the (receiving) numbers
Panthers wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad probably hasn't thought about it, but his return is likely to secure one important team record for at least a few more years. Muhammad, who played for Carolina from 1996 through 2004, has 578 receptions, the most in franchise history. If he plays at all regularly, he should blow past 600 this year.
Which means fellow receiver Steve Smith, who has 431 catches, will stay No.2 awhile longer.
Carolina, of course, has only been in the NFL since 1995, which means its various top tens aren't exactly dotted with Hall of Famers.
While Wesley Walls -- a superb tight end -- is No.3 with 324 grabs, the rest of the list doesn't conjure up images of Jerry Rice.
No.4 is Mark Carrier (176 receptions), a solid performer who made one Pro Bowl (with Tampa Bay, not the Panthers) in his 12-year career. He's followed by Kris Mangum (151), Brad Hoover (135), Donald Hayes (132), DeShaun Foster (126), Rocket Ismail (117) and Keary Colbert (109).
Then consider that the Colts' Marvin Harrison caught 143 passes in 2002 alone, a total that would be good for No.6 on Carolina's career list.
Which means that if free agent signee D.J. Hackett, whom I wrote about for Thursday's paper, has two simply respectable seasons with the Panthers, he could jump right into the Top Ten.
• By the way, Smith's 103 catches in 2005 is the club single-season record. But it's tied for 32nd on the NFL's overall list. -- Stan Olson
Posted by Observer Sports on May 10, 2008 at 08:04 AM | Permalink
Comments
Moose's 16-TD year in '04 does tie him for 13th all time.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 10, 2008 9:56:23 AM
Wow,thanks Proctologist,that was almost as usless as this blog.
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | May 10, 2008 10:27:46 AM
tied for 13th all time, huh ,wow!!
Posted by: matt | May 10, 2008 10:43:44 AM
Yeah...out of the thousands (tens of thousands?) to play the position, he had more TDs in one year than all but 12 of 'em (with a hell of a QB throwing him the ball.) That's pretty damned impressive, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 10, 2008 12:05:41 PM
I had no idea Hoover had that many career receptions. How many catches does it usually take for a receiver to start getting HOF consideration? I honestly have no clue.
Posted by: TP | May 10, 2008 12:10:30 PM
Um Procton
How about a little thought before you post. 10,000 WRs? Not even close
Posted by: catturd | May 10, 2008 12:19:34 PM
hey catturd, actually if you do the math, and only count 30 teams back to the 70's and 24 teams back to 1930 with an average of 7 receivers (inlcudes TE's) then 10,000 is a pretty acurate number. Of course if you then count every WR who wore a uni on the sidelines, in pre-season, or in cmaps, then you'd have to double that number, jsut to be fair!
Posted by: mr r | May 10, 2008 1:16:26 PM
The lowest receivers in the HOF have 330-340 receptions (Mackey, Charlie Sanders, Lynn Swann), but two of these are TEs. After those guys, it looks like you've got to be right up around 375, but for guys whose careers ended recently (as the game has trended further towards passing), it's looking a lot closer to 500+.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 10, 2008 2:01:52 PM
If Muhammad gets 854 catches he will be in the Hall of Fame. He has 742 receptions and 9934 yards right now.
Posted by: Ron King | May 10, 2008 2:36:09 PM
Mr r
Your matrh assumes they play 1 year only. Most play multiple years. A closer estimation would be the number drafted each year. I would bet that there has never been 50 WRs drafted times 80 some odd years equals roughly 4000 to have "played the position". Far short of "tens of thousands".
Posted by: catturd | May 10, 2008 4:14:13 PM
And if this list is accurate, it's less than 3000.
Posted by: catturd | May 10, 2008 4:15:54 PM
Muhammad is da best reciever we ever had until steve smith came along...I hope he make the hall of fame...
Posted by: bennyfrankz | May 10, 2008 4:20:50 PM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/wrindex.htm
forgot the link
Posted by: catturd | May 10, 2008 4:22:59 PM
catturd, your a moron, there hasn't even been a draft that long, the average life span of an NFL player is two years dude, that's why they get a pension at three. you are just a moron who likes to argue, and thus your name, really what is a cat turd but a feces that gets thrown in the trash and taken to the dump, says a lot about you.
Posted by: not a turd | May 10, 2008 4:43:55 PM
The Panthers are my number one team in all of sports. Moose is one of my favorite athletes, but he will not make the HOF
Posted by: Chucktown Cat | May 10, 2008 5:12:19 PM
I just think any list that contains Colbert must be a pretty crappy list. What a piece of shi***** he turned out to be, all speed and no hands.
Posted by: rclark | May 10, 2008 9:42:47 PM
Not a turd
I posted a link to a list that shows WRs who have played all the way back to the 20's. In other words I made a point and provided proof. You add nothing but insults and yet I'm the "moron who likes to argue"? Try adding some substance, if it's within your mental capability.
Posted by: catturd | May 11, 2008 3:08:01 AM
Well, the most impressive WR record for a Panther is when Smith won the triple crown of receiving in '05. That put him in the company of Jerry Rice and Sterling Sharpe, as the only players to accomplish it in the modern era NFL.
Posted by: Jerad H. | May 11, 2008 9:57:26 AM
catturd, i'm neutral in this, but as a former coach, this list is missing three or more people i coached, so ho accurate can it be? and that doesn't count others who played in pre-season and n camps, being signed means they were professionals even if never making it to a sunday.
and I also agree tht your name is a refelction of who you are and at least a refelction of how you feel about yor sefl deep inside, a turd, I suggest professional spiritual counseling guy.
Posted by: coach | May 11, 2008 10:02:28 AM
Hey "coach", did you get fired because of your illiteracy and inability to spell?
Posted by: Bob | May 11, 2008 3:25:29 PM
No, I would say he was fired for his inability to form a complete thought, as well as his skill at coaching.
He must have taken lessons from the former coaching staff of the Miami Dolphins, whom taught him all the fine aspects of failing in life.
Posted by: Shawn | May 11, 2008 8:01:10 PM
as a senior citizen, who didn't grow up with computers and first touched one at age 71, I depend on spell check which isn't on here, but thanks bob and shawn for your class. I was quite successful in life, marrid 52 years now, have 13 grand kids and 8 great grandchildren, one of whom is US Senator, 3 professors, 2 docters, 2 serving in non-profit companies in third world countries, and I oculd go on but the rest all well adjusted, no arrests, no drug addicts, family harmony throughout, sorry for the pain in your lives bob and shawn that make you so caustic and crass. (illeteracy means you can't read so if one was ittlerate thow could they read and write, go get a life)
Posted by: coach | May 12, 2008 6:52:29 AM
Cool, coach...but my dad could beat up your dad.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 12, 2008 7:12:35 AM
Picking on a 70 something year old man...it's a shame the blog has to turn to this when the team news is few and far between.
Posted by: JV | May 12, 2008 8:18:47 AM
I dropped a turd earlier this morning......it was kinda stinky. Like the Bucs.
Posted by: pnthrfan | May 12, 2008 8:28:35 AM
Have y'all ever considered that some of you take this crap WAAAAAAY too seriously?!
Posted by: Elwood Blues | May 12, 2008 10:10:47 AM
Coach owned bob and shawn...
Posted by: Cameron | May 12, 2008 12:02:06 PM
Please your opinion about my final roster for the season:
Offense Starters/Depth:
OL
Ryan Kalil/Geoff Hangartner
Keydrick Vincent/Milford Brown
Jeff Otah/Geoff Schwartz
Jordan Gross/Toniu Fonoti
Travelle Wharton/Jeremy Bridges
TE/WR
Jeff King/Gary Barnidge
Steve Smith/D.J. Hackett
Mushin Muhammad/Dwayne Jarrett/Ryne Robinson
RB/QB
Jake Delhomme/Matt Moore/Brett Basanez
Brad Hoover/Dante Rosario
DeAngelo Williams/J. Stewart/L. Toefield
Defense Starters/Depth:
DL
Tayler Brayton/Charles Johnson
Maake Kemoeatu/Ian Scott/Nick Hayden
Damione Lewis/Darwin Walker
Julius Peppers/Stanley McClover
LB
Jon Beason/Dan Connor/Adam Seward
Thomas Davis/James Anderson
Landon Johnson/Na'il Diggs/Tim Shaw
DB
Richard Marshall/Ken Lucas
Chris Gamble/Ricardo Colclough
Charles Godfrey/Terrence Holt
Chris Harris/Quinton Teal
Special Teams:
John Kasay
Jason Baker
Donte Curry
This is my final Roster, what do you think?
Posted by: pantro | May 12, 2008 1:18:33 PM
Looks pretty acurate to me.
Posted by: Cameron | May 12, 2008 1:23:49 PM
I'd like to see Marshall start at CB but I dont see it happening, and I'd think that Rasario would be the 2nd TE over Barnidge
Posted by: matt | May 12, 2008 1:44:05 PM
Proctologist your a douche bag "My dad could beat up your dad",the only thing your Daddy beats is your meat every night.
Somne of you do take this a little to serious with the Spelling and all.A mis-spelt word is not the end of the world.
Its also not like you or I have never mis-spelled a word or like it wont happen again.
A complete sentence and thought however is a different story...............
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | May 12, 2008 4:28:36 PM
Some even,wheres the Spelling Patrol???????
Posted by: Ghost of Sparta | May 12, 2008 4:32:33 PM
roster looks accurate, maybe some chagnes on OL, we obviously won't know until the apds go oon in august though, plus that one new wide out (was it curtis?) that they were saying had a good mini camp and may surprise.
Hey, finally some talk about ral football.
-Coach
Posted by: coach | May 12, 2008 8:15:25 PM
i dont think theyre going to keep 10 off linemen. i dont like curry,anderson or seward.you forgot kyle.looks pretty good though.
Posted by: ray | May 13, 2008 7:54:23 AM
Yes, I still continue not to be in that picture.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 13, 2008 9:20:49 AM
I think that Curry is the sucessor of Kyle.
Anderson and Seward are good in special teams and I prefer retain both only for add more depth on the LB position.
But ok, if I decide cut Anderson and Seward I will add CB/Dante Wesley and WR/Travis Taylor or RB/Alex Haynes
Posted by: pantro | May 13, 2008 10:52:39 AM
Umm...Curry isn't a long-snapper. Further, Goings will easily make the team over Taylor or Haynes. He's much more versatile than either player, and they're not going to use Rosario as the backup FB when he was running with the starters at TE in minicamp.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 13, 2008 10:58:04 AM
I put Rosario as a FB in order to have a backup in this position, but of course Rosario see more action as a TE.
I have one question...If Hoover will be injured during the season, which player do you use as a FB?....The Panthers don't have any other player in a FB position and I think that Fox decide tu use Rosario as a FB in this situation.
Yeah Procton you're right I forgot Nick Goings and he have ore chances to make the team over Travis Taylor and Alex Haynes.
PS. Sorry for my english I don't speak very well.
Posted by: pantro | May 13, 2008 12:25:37 PM
In a pinch, the team has used Nick Goings as a fullback. It's been a long while since I've seen it in a regular-season game, but it has happened before.
Ten offensive linemen is too many. I really can't see the team going with 10 when there are so many players on the bubble.
For example, most coaches insist on 5 CBs because of spread formations. Can't expect the safeties to stay with WRs.
And having been a Panthers AND Steelers fan for years, I know Colclough is more valuable on special teams than as a CB, so a fifth CB would be nice.
Posted by: Air Borden | May 13, 2008 1:06:56 PM
Well the modifications on the final roster are:
Cut players:
* Adam Seward
* James Anderson
* One or two OL
Added players:
* Dante Wesley
* Nick Goings
* Nate Salley or C.J. Wilson
* Hilee Taylor or Travis Taylor
Posted by: pantro | May 13, 2008 3:04:30 PM
Neither Taylor will make it over Seward, Anderson, or one of those OLs. Travis won't be any better than our 4th option and doesn't play ST. Hilee won't be any better than our 5th option and can't play in the NFL.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 13, 2008 5:37:23 PM
The team has 7 people that can play guard.I think fonoti and brown will fight for the last spot. I think they will keep wesley ,if hes fully recovered. same goes for goings,but last i heard he had concussion syndrome, with blinding headaches.
Posted by: ray | May 14, 2008 9:02:22 AM
Ray, Goings was fully cleared from a medical standpoint before last season ended. I agree that Wesley will likely be kept, over Colclough if it comes down to that...we've got enough KRs on the roster anyway, and Ricky is mediocre at best as a corner.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 14, 2008 5:26:51 PM
I completely agree with Ray, Nick Goings have a lot of concussion problems and I don't know is it good keep Goings in the final roster.
Maybe we need to develop other player that he play in Special Teams, like a RB, DB, WR.
Posted by: pantro | May 15, 2008 7:30:29 AM
Here's the problem, Pantro...Goings isn't just an RB, DB, or WR. He's an RB, an FB, an H-back, a KR, and a kick
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 15, 2008 9:15:56 AM
Here's the problem, Pantro...Goings isn't just an RB, DB, or WR. He's an RB, an FB, an H-back, a KR, and a kick coverage guy (he's been fifth on the team in ST tackles in two out of the last three years he's played.) Hard to find that kind of versatility out of any player, particularly a veteran getting paid as little as Goings is.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 15, 2008 9:17:36 AM
Procton c'mon!!!
Goings have many concussion problems and this is the problem.
I prefer develop any other young player. I don't know, but maybe Jason Carter, C.J. Wilson, Nate Salley, other RB, etc. make a good job in ST, they only need learn and practice...learn and practice. Panthers need to DEVELOP a young player in order to replace Goings in ST (Offense and Defense)...Tell me Procton, do you trust in a person who suffer many concussions last years?. Remember Dan Morgan situation, please don't make the same errors that in the past!!...please apply the "know how"
Posted by: pantro | May 16, 2008 8:50:20 AM
and you hit the nail on the head.fox simply cannot develop players.look at evan mathis as an example.for this reason alone fox should be fired.hes not a teacher.
Posted by: ray | May 19, 2008 8:05:04 AM
He's not a teacher...absolutely right. That's why Jeff King was a 16-game starter as a 5th-round pick. That's why Chris Harris was a Pro Bowl-caliber player as a 6th-rounder/backup on his previous team. That's why Jeremy Bridges (another 6th-rounder) has started 10+ games the last two years since being signed off the street. That's why Geoff Hangartner has started 19 games the last two years as a 5th-rounder. That's why Kindal Moorehead has occasionally started and always contributed (5th-rounder.) That's why Michael Gaines was a starter for 3 years out of the 7th round. That's why Jordan Carstens went from undrafted to starter on the #3 defense in the NFL. I could go on, but your idiocy is tough to combat.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 19, 2008 11:18:59 AM
There you go again procton.how many catches and tds did king have?harris didnt even have training camp with us and youre trying to say fox made him.ron rivera made him a tough s.o.b at chicago.hang and bridges only played because our line was soooo baaad.they are career backups.gaines and moorehead, you gotta be kidding me? moorehead barely played last year on a terrible defensive line and i think i just saw gaines delivering pepsi to the hard rock park here in myrtle beach.
Posted by: ray | May 19, 2008 2:12:58 PM
Jeff King was 16th in the NFL among tight ends in catches last year. Yes...Ron Rivera made Chris Harris so great that he couldn't even start there. And no, Michael Gaines wasn't delivering Pepsi. He was starting 14 games for the Bills, but don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument. And as for Hangartner and Bridges, if they've managed to start more games than they haven't as "career backups", something must be going right with the coaching.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 19, 2008 2:45:03 PM
Don't bother me guys!!!
If you trust in Goings it's OK, he's a very good and versatil player, but with many durability problems and I don't trust in a player with this kind of problems.
What do you think about the possibility that our startings LBs are: Thomas Davis or Landon Johnson, Jon Beason and Dan Connor?
Posted by: pantro | May 20, 2008 7:02:02 AM
Goings has "durability problems?" He's played 13+ games in five of his seven years in the league. Oh, and Connor will not start without an injury ahead of him. Davis and Beason are locks at OLB and MLB, respectively, and Diggs/Landon will compete for the other OLB job.
Posted by: Michael Procton | May 20, 2008 8:19:30 AM
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