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July 30, 2008

Wednesday morning update

Observations from the first of two Tuesday practices:

-- It's hot, and players, as they always do after a few days of camp, are getting a bit ornery. There was a mild scuffle between rookie RT Jeff Otah and veteran DE Tyler Brayton. It didn't last long, which was probably good for Brayton.

-- Backup left tackle Frank Omiyale moved too soon during 11-on-11 team period and immediately had to run a lap around the practice field for what would have been a penalty in a game.

-- Ryne Robinson and Darren Toney handled kickoff returns today. There's been talk of running back Jonathan Stewart doing this, and that could still happen, but it sure seems preferable for Robinson to get the job to preserve Stewart, a first-round pick, for the running game.

-- Tackle Charles Spencer didn't practice. He hasn't played in almost two years due to a serious knee injury. A former starter for the Houston Texans, Spencer is hoping to make a comeback with Carolina. The team is being careful not to overwork him.

-- Running back LaBrandon Toefield wasn't mentioned as being on the injury list, but his left shoulder was wrapped and he was sidelined for much of the morning practice.

-- Here are some of the highlights of the always-popular one-on-one blocking drills between offensive and defensive linemen:

Guard Milford Brown did a nice job against rookie DT Nick Hayden, keeping him from getting much push. ... Omiyale twice dominated rookie DE Hilee Taylor. Taylor has speed but his lack of size clearly hurts him at times. ... Rookie RT Geoff Schwartz, who struggled the first few days of camp, is getting better on his footwork. He had two consecutive "wins" blocking second-year DE Charles Johnson.

We'll update as needed throughout the day, including after today's 3:10 p.m. practice on Wofford's soccer field. This will mark the first time in this camp that the Panthers have had mid-morning and mid-afternoon practices in the same day. According to the weather report, temperatures are expected in the high 80s, with showers possible.

-- Charles Chandler

Posted by Observer Sports on July 30, 2008 at 11:35 AM | Permalink


It was probably better for a certain part of Otah that the scuffle didn't last long!

Posted by: Irony | Jul 30, 2008 11:53:39 AM

Does anyone know how jake is doing and feeling.

Posted by: JD | Jul 30, 2008 11:59:45 AM

Not surprising to hear Hayden got stoned. He's not much of a passer. Taylor, too, will never be able to be an NFL DE at 240.

Good to hear about Schwartz. I think he's definitely a possible starter in a year or two.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 12:00:19 PM

I love Taylor, but he will only be a situational pass rusher. Nothing more.

Posted by: Henry | Jul 30, 2008 12:06:33 PM

You're right, Robert Mathas (sp?), a 5 or 6 year veteran in the league, plays DE at 245 pounds and he only had 7 sacks last season for Indy. I guess he can't play DE in the NFL either. Quick question, were his 7 sacks more than the whole D-line for the Panthers last season?

Procton will you please quit hating on everything UNC because you failed out?

Posted by: Mason | Jul 30, 2008 12:09:21 PM

Robert Mathis also runs a 4.5 and was an NCAA record-setter in college with 20 sacks his senior year. Taylor runs a 4.9 and had 27 sacks...in his WHOLE CAREER.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 12:22:34 PM

I always wonder why a player would ever punch another player who is wearing shoulder pads and a helmet...I like the intensity from Otah, but it may not be the wisest thing to do

Posted by: matt | Jul 30, 2008 12:29:44 PM

Brayton started it...shoved Otah after the whistle.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 12:35:29 PM

*Hayden's not much of a pass-rusher, not passer (though he's probably not that, either.)

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 12:36:13 PM

who started it isnt the point, thats a good way to crack a wrist

Posted by: matt | Jul 30, 2008 12:37:31 PM

Good for Brayton that Otah already had breakfast, or he would eat him. Nothing but a few bones on the ground and some spilt BBQ sauce after Otah gets done. He's a big boy!

Posted by: Ben | Jul 30, 2008 12:38:01 PM


You made this mistake before about Taylor. He's not a 4.9 guy. The Observer noted that he was a 4.55 guy. 27 sacks in college (not sure howe many years he started or how many came in that last year) is nothing to sneeze at either.

Posted by: Irony | Jul 30, 2008 12:46:16 PM

Charles, David, or Stan-

Will you please settle the argument about Taylor's speed?

Posted by: Irony | Jul 30, 2008 12:47:22 PM

27 sacks in college is pretty impressive by any standards. Taylor does not look to be a future all-pro, but saying he can't contribute at DE at 245-250 pounds is just dumb. Look around the league at these guys who are in the 250 range wrecking havoc in the backfield on passing downs. The Giants even at times last season played 4 DEs on the line and went without a true DT in an effort to get the maximum pass rush from their front 4. Procton is just so biased against UNC that he makes absurd statements and makes himself look dumb. Its actually quite comical.

Posted by: Mason | Jul 30, 2008 12:53:16 PM

Taylor may have run a 4.9 at some point during his evaluation, but I think most reports was that it was in the 4.6 range

Posted by: matt | Jul 30, 2008 12:57:04 PM


"40 Time: 4.85" He's slow and small. You can maybe be one at DE, but not both.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 1:18:27 PM

Thanks for the tidbits. With all the injuries, it will be interesting to see how well Nick Hayden does with his time on the clock. Just imagine if he actually manages to pull one out. How many contributors/starters would that make from this year's draft? Again, they have gone through a couple of staff changes in their scouting department as well during Fox's tenure. Hopefully, the people who put this year's draft together will be around for a while.

Posted by: SYRPIS | Jul 30, 2008 1:27:04 PM

Does it say where they got this 40 time from? I have to wonder if that was his best time, or his worst time, or the average of all his runs

Posted by: matt | Jul 30, 2008 1:27:38 PM

This made me chuckle, here is what Giants coach Tom Coughlin had to say about his qb David Carr:

"He's getting limited snaps and trying to do everything he can in a limited number of snaps," Tom Coughlin said. "It's going to take a little time, but we've got time, we're in camp." Working with the third team, Carr at times escaped the pocket a bit prematurely. He also threw a pass that was intercepted by safety Sammy Knight.

Posted by: matt | Jul 30, 2008 1:34:27 PM

Ahh...so at his Pro Day, where UNC officials ran the watches, and the Observer reported a time for a player on the team they cover, he ran a 4.6. That's SUPER credible. It doesn't take a "moron" to figure that one out.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 1:46:56 PM

"Carolina took Taylor, one source said, largely because the Panthers were impressed with his strong character."
--Geez, that sounds impressive. Who would want him to, say, be a good football player?

Posted by: Michael Procton | Jul 30, 2008 1:52:01 PM

so where did SI get the 4.85 number from?

Posted by: matt | Jul 30, 2008 1:52:27 PM

His deal, is that he has to disagree with anyone who makes an argument about any point. It is a classic case of trying to prove people wrong to make himself feel smarter. That is what you resort to when you have nothing to do but post on every single message board on this site.

Posted by: your answer | Jul 30, 2008 2:16:45 PM

Guys, I just wanted to say thanks for all the updates on camp, multiple times a day. I know it's your job, but it does me good to hear all the intricacies of how things are going with the Panthers. Keeps me "in the know" - so thanks and keep up the great work.

Posted by: Steve L. | Jul 30, 2008 2:34:32 PM

So Procton...are you saying that no pro day numbers should be counted since Taylor's doesn't count because the coaches fudged the numbers and the Observer purposely furthered a lie because they may be covering the guy if the Panthers drafted him (which of course they did draft him)? It seems odd that a paper would want to lie about a 7th round pick because, assuming he makes the team, they'll be covering him.

Posted by: Irony | Jul 30, 2008 3:39:16 PM

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