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August 15, 2008
Notes, observations from Philadelphia
By David Scott
PHILADELPHIA -– Jonathan Stewart’s first carry as an NFL running back didn’t last long.
Stewart, drafted by the Carolina Panthers in the first round of last spring’s draft, took a handoff from Matt Moore and bulled for 1 yard before being met squarely by Philadelphia Eagles cornerback Kyle Arrington.
Nothing spectacular or very productive, but it was a start.
Stewart, who didn’t play in last week’s preseason exhibition opener against the Indianapolis Colts, started the second half of Thursday’s game against the Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field. Offseason toe surgery had kept Stewart out of mini-camp and organized team activities earlier this summer. Then, his workload was limited at training camp in Spartanburg.
The Panthers hope Stewart (5-foot-10, 235 pounds) will provide the bruising running attack coach John Fox craves. Running behind the second-team offensive line, Stewart was dropped for a 1-yard loss on his second carry. He ended his night with 3 yards on four carries.
Notes
-- The Panthers’ two starting cornerbacks – Ken Lucas and Chris Gamble – missed the game with injuries. The Eagles took advantage of that in the first half, with quarterback Donovan McNabb throwing wide to his receivers, who usually were wide open. But the Panthers’ secondary wasn’t getting much help from the defensive line, which got little pressure on McNabb. The Eagles also made it a point of staying away from Julius Peppers on the right side of the Carolina defensive line.
-- That said, had reserve cornerback Ricardo Colclough held on to a certain interception late in the half after stepping in front of Greg Lewis, he would have scored an easy touchdown.
-- The Panthers got a break in the second quarter after an apparent 27-yard completion from a scrambling McNabb to Lorenzo Booker. Fox challenged the play, though, saying McNabb had crossed the line of scrimmage when he threw. Replays proved Fox correct.
-- The Panthers will have today off, returning to practice in Charlotte on Saturday.
-- Panthers Gameday, the team’s postgame show, has moved to WCNC (ch. 36) and makes its debut Aug. 24. Former Panthers safety Mike Minter will be one of the show’s hosts.
Observations
-- It will be interesting to see if the Eagles’ Brian Dawkins is fined by the NFL for his helmet-to-helmet hit on the Panthers’ Muhsin Muhammad in the end zone in the second quarter. The Panthers have already been victimized by that kind of hit – last week when Steve Smith suffered a concussion after getting whacked head-first by Indianapolis’s Antoine Bethea. Muhammad returned to the game and caught two passes for 12 yards. Muhammad said after the game his ribs were sore and he was "buzzing" from the hit.
-- The look on Eagles’ coach Andy Reid’s face after the Panthers scored on Philadelphia’s botched field-goal attempt was priceless. Here he’d spent nearly an hour in the locker room waiting out a weather delay, only to have something like that happen.
-- Of course, Fox was probably scratching his head later in the half when offensive tackle Jordan Gross was whistled for two consecutive false-start penalties.
-- Although the video screens in the scoreboards at Lincoln Financial Field are bigger than the Panthers’ new ones, the quality of the picture in Bank Of America Stadium is superior. But splicing scenes from “Rocky” into Eagles highlights before the opening kickoff is a great way to start a game. It sure pumps up the crowd.
-- One of the nicer aspects of Lincoln Financial Field – referred to as the Linc in Philadelphia -– is the beautiful view of the city’s skyline up Broad Street through one end of the stadium.
-- Stadium officials urged fans to evacuate their seats for cover in the concourses during the lengthy weather delay, but many remained under overhangs in the lower and upper decks. They might have stayed dry there, but the threat of lightning still remained.
-- When the game resumed 59 minutes later, the stadium looked to be about half full.
-- The turf that became so slippery during the rain claimed at least one victim: A fan participating in a field-goal kicking contest at halftime. He slipped while taking his turn and hurt his leg. He was carted off the field in a wheel chair.
Posted by Observer Sports on August 15, 2008 at 12:57 AM | Permalink
Comments
What a brilliant performance by this team. Did you see the way Jake led his team? He is showing no signs of fear or rust! And that tenacious D-line was in the Eagle backfield all day! Westbrook didn't know if he was coming or going. And that special teams play was special... especially on coverages and returns! I know it's just the preaseaoson, but this team is really showing some promise!
Posted by: SYRPIS is high again | Aug 15, 2008 2:31:08 AM
And what's with Reid acting like he was just given a free box of Krispy Kreme after that helmet-to-helmet hit Moose got from one of his players. I know his a** was still sore from trying that trick play and having it blow up in his face, but did he really have to act like that over the fact that Moose was unable to hold onto the ball!? From what I saw yesterday, that guy has about as much decency as Bellicheat.
Posted by: SYRPIS | Aug 15, 2008 2:41:00 AM
From the replays I saw of the Moose catch in the end zone, he had control of the ball before he was hit. Control of the ball in the end zone means a touch down. He lost control of the ball after the illeagle hit. I think the officials got this wrong on the review.
Posted by: Samuel Mullis | Aug 15, 2008 6:01:01 AM
From the replays I saw of the Moose catch in the end zone, he had control of the ball before he was hit. Control of the ball in the end zone means a touch down. He lost control of the ball after the illeagle hit. I think the officials got this wrong on the review.
Posted by: Samuel Mullis | Aug 15, 2008 6:03:19 AM
I defense without 3 starters did what they had to do to keep us in the game before the delay. Then Marshall play was spectacular. WOOP, wait where did he come from? lmao
The offense started of slow, but one drive we moved the ball well and ALMOST scored, if he didnt drop it. should have been a penalty. then we really would have scored. thats a great thing. because we almost put points on the board without steve, hackett, jarrett, rosario, and without stewart being part of the first team offense
only thing i didnt like was the play calling for the 2nd string offense. TOOO many run plays, not enough passes. maybe would have increased our lead and won
Posted by: jake the snake | Aug 15, 2008 6:04:10 AM
O and did yall see D. Birmingham
Two plays he came in at our 2 minute offense of the 4th, and got 2 needed first downs
I THINK RIGHT NOW, HE'S A KEEPER
Posted by: jake the snake | Aug 15, 2008 6:07:09 AM
Oh no! We suck again!!!!!
Posted by: watchdoggin | Aug 15, 2008 8:05:27 AM
Yup nice showing, although disjointed due to the lightening delay.
Marshall looked solid. A key to the season in my opinion is the ability of our safety to smack people just like Moose got cracked by Dawson in the endzone. A stud at that 3rd level to match Beason and Peppers at 1st and 2nd level and we got something going.
Who was in on the OL when Stewart got the rock?
Posted by: Briscoe | Aug 15, 2008 8:13:06 AM
SM, you must maintain possession of the ball to the completion of the play. It wasn't a TD, though it certainly was a dirty hit. Not shocking coming from Dawkins.
And jts, they were calling passes...Matty just couldn't complete them.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 15, 2008 8:14:17 AM
Looked like the same old BS to me. 3 man rush = no pressure. draw plays and give up plays, way to conservative. its preseason ffs. I want to see a hungry team that actually lives up to its potential. I know it was raining and the delay did not help, but the 2 Offensive series before the delay was horrible and the lack of pressure from the D was horrible. And if Mcnabb could hit wide open dudes they would have beat us 40 to 13. pick up the pace guys.
Posted by: Rich | Aug 15, 2008 8:38:37 AM
I have that sinking feeling again. Where's the passion? The Panthers did not look sharp last night in spite of all the weather distractions. New players, new season, same old uninspired play.
First thing that stood out to me was the defense not getting off the field. What was so painful last year were all the 3rd and long conversions from opposing offenses. I know we were down Gamble and Lucas last night but come on. Zero pressure on the QB. Peppers was double-teamed most of the first half and NO ONE else stepped up. McNabb had all day to find his frail WRs. Second team Defense wasn't any better. In fact it got worse. Kolb looked like an allstar-granted he was playing against our 2nd and 3rd stringers but still-this is our depth. These are our starters if someone gets hurt. Their rookie RB Hunt ran all over us too. Salley should be cut for that whiff of a tackle alone. The Defense is supposed to be the strength of the team and man did they look weak.
Secondly, our OL was pathetic. No other word to describe it. DeAngelo made 1 nice play on his own but no thanks to the OL. Gross with back to back false starts is inexcusable. Delhomme looked like his tweeky self from years past when he doesn't get his feet settled because he knows he's about to get popped. He was forcing. Beyond that, the play calling was ridiculous. How many flanker screens do we have to run in one game? Granted we couldn't throw deep because we couldn't run the ball and pull the safeties up. Special teams were average at best with punt coverage looking bad. Fox better get to work or it will be a long season my friends. Fortunately, there's time.
Posted by: gradyhog | Aug 15, 2008 8:48:47 AM
Procton, I don't hear you criticizing your boy Gross for his two false start penalties and mostly poor blocking. Why is that? Is it because you only criticize the select few players that you don't like. As Scott put it, the Eagles made a concerted effort of staying away from Pep and they double teamed him a decent amount. As a D-lineman, an offensive line can take you out of a game, by rolling Donovan to his right and double teaming you, thus it is up to the other guys to beat their man one-on-one.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 15, 2008 8:59:16 AM
gradyhog - thanks ! you just saved me a lot of time typing. Ditto everything !
Posted by: Panthernyut | Aug 15, 2008 9:01:02 AM
Philly didn't score until the 4th quarter, I think the defense did a pretty decent job overall.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 15, 2008 9:01:33 AM
Agree w/ everything gradyhog, defense does need to get some stops on 3rd and longs but the first team didn't give up any points. Should have given up 3 if Philly would have just kicked the short one.
Can we please quit throwing Flanker screens to Moose, I don't think he is going to juke too many DBs.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 15, 2008 9:04:04 AM
Flanker screens work for the Panthers. A 4 or 5 yard completion is just as good as a 4 or 5 yard run. That is a high percentage play.....until the corners press up. Granted, most of those passing go to Smith who is a little better at making the first guy miss.
Posted by: LyleStyle | Aug 15, 2008 10:09:24 AM
I just fount it odd that our best play on the first two drives was on both of the third downs. No moving on 1st and 2nd but 8 yards on the quick passes on third down. Peppers didn't have a good game but he did get double teamed frequently. Oh and was I the only one who noticed Wharton had a terrible game? He was missing blocks all over the field it was ridiculous.
Posted by: JV | Aug 15, 2008 10:19:36 AM
Did anybody see that run on third and long. Why don't we even give ourselves a chance!!! Cardiac cats, come back to reality people. I love this team to but we didn't make enough defensive moves last season to make a difference. If you ask me went backwords.
Posted by: Chuck | Aug 15, 2008 10:29:30 AM
I change my forecast from 9-7 to 7-9. The first team sucked
Posted by: Chuck | Aug 15, 2008 10:31:04 AM
5-11 baby.
Posted by: Aaron | Aug 15, 2008 10:44:33 AM
Rich, one would hope recievers aren't so wide open when Gamble and Lucas are in there instead of Coclough and Wilson.
I don't know where you guys are getting that Peppers was constantly double-teamed. It simply didn't happen. Fox spotlighted him several times getting handled by Herremans, who's hardly an elite player at the position.
gh, I had the same thought about Salley (and I like the guy)...he and Toefield...CUT. As for the 3-yard routes, we have to run that with Moore in the game. He couldn't put it within reach of anybody at first-down distance to save his life. I will say, though, that the o-line was a big part of Williams' big run. Blocking the line in one direction is an important way to get an RB some daylight, even if it's on a cutback.
Mason, they ran to the left plenty. Westbrook ran right by him. As for Gross, it's a continuation of the same thing I've been saying...he's TERRIBLE ON THE LEFT. When have I said anything different?
Chuck, when you've got a 10 point lead with less than four minutes until the half, it makes perfect sense to run the draw. If you try and throw for 20 yards, you could easily get picked or sacked. With a draw, you get a chance to improve the field position for your punter (a very good one in our case), and you put them way further back and make it way more difficult for them to cut into your lead.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 15, 2008 10:53:20 AM
Right, Aaron, because we're always that bad. Wait...we haven't ever finished worse than 7-9 under Fox? Crazy. This is the year, though. Keep hating.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Aug 15, 2008 10:54:09 AM
Well you would like to think that a guy who wants top 5 tackle dollars in the league could play an adequate left tackle. As it is, if he doesn't improve I am fine with playing Otah on the right and trying to pick up a FA left tackle next season. Gross needs to step up his play as does the whole left side of the line. Wharton was just as bad as Gross in terms of blocking.
Peppers was double teamed a lot and was held once big time that wasn't called and did have that illegal contact penalty called on their left guard, another play in which he was double teamed. Its just annoying when you single out one player (who it is obvious you do not like) for not making any big plays despite the obvious fact that he was the focus point for the eagles o-line. You didn't mention anything about the fact that Johsnon looked absolutely terrible and not worthy of a starting job. Also, Gross was probably the worst performer yesterday yet you do not mention him one bit. Try and use some objectivity and you might actually gain some credibility.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 15, 2008 11:33:21 AM
I still don't understand why everyone is so down about yesterday's game. The Eagles actually were a pretty decent team last year and will be again this year. Our starting unit, w/o our 2 startes at DB and Smitty, were up at half on the road in the rain.
Posted by: Mason | Aug 15, 2008 11:35:38 AM
Was I the only one who had the "Oh Sh*t" thought running through their head when Moose took the helmit hit by Dawkins. Thats the last thing we would have needed to be out 5 recievers. But from what the article reported the other day Hangartner would probably be a wide out.
Posted by: JV | Aug 15, 2008 11:43:36 AM
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