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September 17, 2008

Wednesday's injury report

Sorry for the delay on this guys...

It’s still uncertain when receiver/returner Ryne Robinson, who hurt his knee early in training camp, will be back. Robinson continues to practice on a limited basis.

Guard Travelle Wharton (knee) also said he’s day-to-day with a knee injury that kept him out last week’s game with Chicago.

Defensive end Tyler Brayton (ankle), linebacker Na’il Diggs (shoulder), cornerback Chris Gamble (arm), quarterback Matt Moore (leg) didn’t practice. Cornerback Richard Marshall (leg) also practiced on a limited basis. – David Scott

Posted by Observer Sports on September 17, 2008 at 09:58 PM | Permalink


Steve Smith is punk, that if Jerry Richardson was the hard nose owner he portrays himself to be, would have traded him away with this last punch. I don't care to ever see that prick play again for the Panthers (WR's are a dime a dozen).

Posted by: MikeD | Sep 17, 2008 10:30:43 PM

Being from Minnesota, I thought my comment would give my Vikings an edge. I am real smart like that you know.

Posted by: MikeD | Sep 17, 2008 10:38:05 PM

Shut the hell up Mike. We don't need arrogant morons like you talking crap in these forums. Since you hate the Panthers and their players so much, then why the hell are you even here on this site? Go and root for the Falcons, or some other crappy team that you probably love. I hope Steve Smith reads this and finds you and punches YOU.

Posted by: WRAPPEDinBACON | Sep 17, 2008 10:38:26 PM

Yeah, trade our best offensive player... good one MikeD, I hope you never become a GM for a team because you'd turn it into the laughing stock of the NFL pretty quickly.

Posted by: Nate | Sep 17, 2008 10:39:57 PM

4WR set with Williams as the single back. Split Smith by himself on the right and bunch up the other 3 on the left. Naturally, this reads smoke screen all the way...

Put Jarrett into motion to slot right. At the snap:
1) Williams steps back then runs forward for the playaction;
2) Moose drags right;
3) Hackett runs medium crossing pattern;
4) Smith turns to receive WR screen;
5) Jarret runs a fly pattern;
6) Jake pump fakes to Smith, fakes the draw play to Williams, then he looks for Jarrett deep.
7) If Jarrett is covered, Moose or Hacket should be open (depending on what the backers and safeties are doing.

Regardless, everyone will be looking for the screen to Smith if the offense has problems getting downfield during the game. This play should result in a long gain, if not a TD (provided the OL can actually give that much pass protection to pull a play like this off). If not, I admit it can spell disaster.

BTW, 2 games in and no fumbles (or INT's that he was at fault for) by Jake. Not a bad start. I just hope he finds new courage after surviving that hit by Briggs and getting his security blanket back. I sure hope so because things will only get harder.

Go Panthers!

Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 17, 2008 11:09:16 PM

Mike, how's Tavar...Vinny Test...I mean Gus Ferrotte doing?

Posted by: vikessuck | Sep 17, 2008 11:14:13 PM

MikeD is GhengisCon Man. He wont STFU about Steve Smith because he gets a lil Chubby trying to think he can stir up some Garbage that everyone besides this A-hole has let go.Pathetic Fool..........

Posted by: GhostofSparta | Sep 18, 2008 12:02:07 AM

The Panthers will roll the Vikings on Sunday.

By the way, just thought you should see the article our former writer Pat Yaskinskas wrote on ESPN entitled...are we a better team without Smith?


Sure glad he gets paid to write about the tough questions...what an idiot.

Posted by: JPanther | Sep 18, 2008 12:26:24 AM

"It’s still uncertain when receiver/returner Ryne Robinson, who hurt his knee early in training camp . . ."

I'm still hoping to read what kind of knee injury he sustained and a realistic return date. Was it a strained, or sprained, ligament? Was it a bruised kneecap? A partial ligament tear? Or tendon strain perhaps? I'm in the dark on this one. Does anyone know more than this basic "knee injury?"

Other than that, GO CATS!

Posted by: FrankieB2 | Sep 18, 2008 12:41:57 AM

Jarrett is not going to dress with Smith back. They only dress 4 WR, they would be Smith, Hackett, Muhammed, and Jones. If Jarrett does not dress, I am worried about his future with the team and his progression. He was starting to look like a NFL WR.

Posted by: Steven | Sep 18, 2008 9:52:15 AM

They will dress 5 WR this week. They might have only dressed 4 in the pasted due to the fact that most all of them but one, pretty much sucked. Now that Jarrett is finally getting his stuff together, they will have no problem with dressing all 5. I've noticed that the Panthers have been running a lot more 3 and 4 WR sets this year.

Posted by: LyleStyle | Sep 18, 2008 10:37:14 AM

MikeD, those 300 yards smitty rolled up on ya still stingin? I'd get used to it. With your pass D he might double it Sunday.

Posted by: Wes | Sep 18, 2008 10:40:20 AM

They'll dress 5 WRs, no question. I bet we see one of those five wide spread sets on our first offensive down.

Posted by: Justin | Sep 18, 2008 10:46:39 AM

Who sits if they dress five?

Posted by: Steven | Sep 18, 2008 11:10:06 AM

Has Barnidge been dressing?

Posted by: Steven | Sep 18, 2008 11:10:55 AM

Most of game planning on offense consists of how to spread out a defense: whether it's vertically to open up more running lanes, or horizontally to help get WR's more open. That is exactly why teams are much better when they have more talent/weapons filling offensive skill positiions.

More importatnly, that is why NFL coaches & managers just don't stop at one Randy Moss or Marvin Harrison and throw the entire bank/salary cap their way. If that were the case, defenses would simply triple cover one guy and stack up 8 to 9 man fronts on a regular basis (kinda like what's been happening in Charlotte the last couple of years). In short, you can not be one-dimensional and get away with it for long in the NFL.

Therefore, "locking in on one WR" can definately be a problem. Even Smitty's big buddy, Moose, agrees. That should tell you something, becuase he is always the first to step up and protect his protige. Therefore, if Lucas can forgive Smith (and everyone else should do so as well) then Moose can say that the Panthers can't be one dimensional (and everyone should agree).

Moose on Smith's return:
"We had an opportunity to see who can do what... With Smith being dobled and tripled teamed, Jake has got to have the confidence to throw to other guys."

It's at the mulimedia list on the right. Click on the link that says, "9/17 Panthers Insider"

Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 18, 2008 11:31:33 AM

More to the point, fans really need to stop acting like the Panthers can't win without the guy. Yeah, he's good. We get it. But so are the other players on that roster, right!??

Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 18, 2008 11:40:49 AM

oh yes smithy is back vike just resign the panther will run you right over to tyhe ground mark my words

Posted by: bob | Sep 18, 2008 12:05:53 PM

oh yes smithy is back vike just resign the panther will run you right over to tyhe ground mark my words

Posted by: bob | Sep 18, 2008 12:05:58 PM

Syrpis, its not just that Smith is good, but that he is so different from all of our other receivers. Without a legitimate deep threat, Chicago was able to stack the box in order to defend the run in the first half. The main reason we got our offense rolling in the second half was that Jake started hitting a few guys down the field and more importantly, Stew just ran over defenders on every play. Smith forces teams to play a deep safety which opens up things for Moose in the middle and the running game. Chicago single covered every one of our receivers which they would not do with Smith as he destroys every team who dares to single cover him.

Yes the Panthers can win some games without Smith. No the Panthers can not, in my opinion, make a deep run in the playoffs without Smith. Name the last time (in recent years) a team won the superbowl without a top receiver. The only one I can think of is Baltimore and our defense is not quite on the same level as that team.

Posted by: Mason | Sep 18, 2008 12:06:07 PM

That's a very good point about stacking the box last week.

There were a few times WR's were wide open last week and just got overthrown, overlooked or thrown to too late. Smith is not the only WR on this roster that can get open and make teams pay with single coverage. I resent that statement, and I'm sure Hackett, Moose and even Jarrett would agree with my sentiment. As a matter of fact, Moose has already gone on record pretty much saying the same thing.

Now if Jake hit those receivers, that defense would have backed off. If not, they still would have been getting beat deep. Either way works.

BTW, I'm glad you mentioned Stewart and his accomplishments (without Smith around who, acccording to you, is the only one capable of spreading out a defense). And what about the OL?! With a backup in against a brilliant defense: what a job they did!! There are just too many unheralded contributors on this roster (just like Stephen Davis was years ago), and in my opnion, the Steve Smith/Jake Delhomme hype has much to do with that.

Didn't Moose get Probowl numbers when Smith went down a few years ago? I'm sure that if Smith didn't come back this week, Jake would have watched game film and would have discovered another favorite target (Hackett) other than Moose and Smith.

---Deep breath--- Yes, Smith is the Iverson of the NFL, but to idol worship him and say this team can only make a dent in the playoffs, at best, without him is very revealing on where you stand as a Panther fan. My suggestion to you, Mason, is to sign off with, "Go Steve Smith" from now on. Thanks.


Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 18, 2008 1:29:00 PM

On a related note:

So many said that this defense would fall apart this year without Kris "Big Kid" Jenkins on the roster. As a matter of, some are still saying that they suck right now. Dispicable...

If anything, they are guilty of being too good. Individual stats (like INT's and SCK's) suffer when an opponent's offense does not stay on the field for too long.

A great defense, coupled with a dominating running game, will do that.
...and all without Smith, BTW.

So please give some credit where credit is due. Thanks.

Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 18, 2008 1:34:52 PM

I say Jarrett will dress. Jones can hardly be counted on for anything other than punt return duty and that only leaves 3 WR's SMitty, moose and dj. Jarrett will get on the field and i bet they will even throw to him 2-3 times. he made a couple of nice catches in week 1 so i think he has some confidence now and hopefully can build on that.

Posted by: pantherdude | Sep 18, 2008 2:19:03 PM

While Moose put up big numbers the year Smith was out injured, the team missed the playoffs. I love Moose, I think he is a great compliment to Steve, but he is like 60 (obviously just kidding). I'm not saying this team doesn't have other receivers, I'm just saying none of them scare defenses into double coverages w/ a safety help. Smith was actually triple teamed at times the past few seasons. Also of note, with single coverage on the receivers in the Chicago game and LBs blitzing more, Jake had less time to throw and was somewhat flustered, which is why he missed on some open passes. Smith in the game forces the defense to play a little more conservatively and thus would give Jake a little more time to throw the ball and possibly hit Moose and Hackett a few more times.

Posted by: Mason | Sep 18, 2008 2:23:18 PM

Fair enough, Mason. Well said. I still think with a little more confidence in the newcomer, Jake would have connected with him and made some big plays downfield. Enough of those and the Bears would have to adjust. That injury in the preaseason didn't help matters.

Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 18, 2008 2:43:47 PM

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