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November 30, 2008

Panthers Postgame: Answering your questions

Question: Was it just me or did our safeties seem particularly lost and confused today? What were the Packers doing that had them so unsure of where to be? WILLY

The game plan seemed to be to make sure Packers receivers stayed in front of the DBs. Although it allowed lots of yards (298 by Rodgers), his longest was 46 to Donald Driver and he didn't have another longer than 23. Can't argue, though, defense has been struggling recently. DAVID
Question: How much you think they'll fine Peppers for that hit? BRYANT80

The going rate for that kind of thing is 5K. DAVID

Question: Wont 9-7 or 10-6 get us in the playoffs? PAUL

Being tied with Tampa at 9-3 and with Dallas and Atlanta both at 8-4. It's going to take at least 10 wins. Nine certainly won't do it. DAVID

Question: I would be curious to know what John fox's success rate is for Coach's Challenges. It would also be interesting to see how he compares during his tenure against other coaches. It seems not just this year but in years past that Fox's success rate would be below 50 percent. MATT

Checking on this, but not sure I'll get tonight. Check the blog this week for the answer. DAVID

Question: Why have they moved the Monday Night game to 8:30 p.m.? Is this something ESPN does or was it done by the league. DAVE

ESPN moved it to 8:30 when it took over MNF. DAVID

Question: Do you think that the Panthers didn't use the wildcat this game, and limited the week before, because they need to use it against Tampa bay? DOUG

The Panthers haven't really used the "Wildcat" much this season, just a few times with DeAngelo Williams. Maybe they're saving it. DAVID

Question: Was the personal foul on Peppers legit? Rodgers looked in bounds and ON HIS WAY out, but still in-bounds. If it was legit, was this a case of protecting a QB? QB's are football players too, and should be allowed to get hit like anyone else. Polamalu's statement a few weeks ago about the league being soft keeps getting confirmed more and more. WILL

Rodgers was out of bounds. Peppers said after the game that Rodgers had looked like he was going out of bounds on a previous play, but had stayed in for 5 or 6 more yards. He didn't want to happen again. DAVID

Question: What do you think the chances are on the Panthers-Giants game being moved to prime time with the flex scheduling? BRIAN

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. DAVID

Question: If the Panthers win this coming Monday night against Tampa Bay, won't they still be tied with Tampa Bay for the divison lead. Season head to head 1-1. Divison won loss would be even at 3-2. It then comes down to common opponents and Carolina is currently 6-1 with only Denver to play and Tampa Bay is currently 5-1 with home games against Chargers and Raiders. The next tie breaker is conference record. Panthers would be 7-3 and Tampa would be a 1/2 game up at 8-3. Next tiebreaker is strenght of victory and currently Tampa Bay has the edge on that. So it looks like even with a win on Monday Night the Panthers will still be in second. What are the Observer's writers thoughts on the tiebreaker situations? J.THOMAS

No tiebreaker necessary: The Panthers would be 10-3 if they win, the Bucs 9-4. DAVID

Question: Is Ryne Robinson getting more and more expendable for the Panthers ? It seems Mark Jones is improving with every game. Those past 3-4 Games have been almost eye-popping, we finally got our dependable return man. With Hackett and Jarrett battling for that third Receiver job (did we ever have four or more active receivers this season?), I guess Robinson's Panthers-days are numbered? KRUEGER

Jones' stats are better than Robinson's were last season. Ought to make for an interesting competition in training camp. DAVID

Question: How many times during the game did the Panthers' defense rush more than four? I feel like Aaron Rodgers had plenty of time to complete throws in the second half, while in the first half he was more errant as a result of throwing on the run. I don't remember many blitzes in the third quarter especially, which would leave me inclined to believe we gave up our lead by letting Rogers get comfortable. FOREST

Can't answer the question about how many were rushing until I see the replay or ask Fox. I think there was plenty of pressure on Rodgers for much of the game, but he runs well and got himself out of several jams with his legs. DAVID

Posted by Charlotte Observer on November 30, 2008 at 08:37 PM | Permalink


Sorry for the confusion. The point of the question was even if the Panthers win on Monday night Tampa Bay would still win the tie breaker. Yes the Panthers would have a one game lead, but Tampa would still have the tie breaker. Head to head would be tied at 1-1. Divison won loss would be even at 3-2. It then comes down to common opponents and Carolina is currently 6-1 with only Denver to play and Tampa is currently 5-1 with home games against Chargers and Raiders. The next tie breaker is conference record. Panthers would be 7-3 and Tampa would be 1/2 game up at 8-3. Next tie breaker is strenght of victory and currently Tampa has the edge on that. So it looks like even with a win on Monday night the Panthers would have a one game lead, however Tampa would still win a tie breaker in the event the Panthers lost another game.

With the division looking like it will go down to the wire what are the Observer's writers thoughts on the tie breaker situations????

Posted by: J Thomas | Nov 30, 2008 8:56:02 PM

Scott - Does it matter at all that the Panthers' schedule outside of the divisions' matchups is harder than Tampa Bay's? Tampa got Seattle (2-10) from the NFC West, while the Panthers got the division leaders in Arizona (7-5). Tampa got Washington (7-5) as their NFC East matchup, while the Panthers get the division leaders again, the Giants (11-1). Can anyone say 'moral victory'?

Posted by: RFandy | Nov 30, 2008 9:51:57 PM

any idea what happened to stewart on that fumble that shoulda been 6??????????

Posted by: james | Nov 30, 2008 10:07:53 PM

Why don't we give more credit about the job Jake did making the read and getting the ball downfield for Steve? We've been bashing the guy for the four interception performance earlier in the season and he's had three pick-free games since then. And, how many dropped balls did he have in that four pick game.
The bottom line is that Jake has a lot to do with the success of this team and is the leader on a team last year that searched for leaders. Because of him, defenses are kept honest and now the running backs can make plays. Take away that bad game and he's been tremendous!

Posted by: mhenry | Nov 30, 2008 10:18:48 PM

I would love for you to ask Fox why the DB's every week play off instead of bumping receivers to throw off their rhythm like previous years

Posted by: jake the snake | Nov 30, 2008 10:46:01 PM

richard marshall's interception on the deflected roger's pass looked to be a catch with the ground causing a fumble. i couldn't believe this was not challenged to be an interception and panther's possession.

Posted by: RLM | Nov 30, 2008 11:30:28 PM

RLM- Fumbles with DB's work like WR's, not RB's. Marshall needed two feet down and a "football move" to establish possession before he lost the football in order to be considered a fumble.

mhenry - I'm going to preface this by saying I love Jake more than most, and he's slowly looking a bit better. However he still isn't very sharp, and throughout the 2nd half of this season we've been winning despite him. In fact, if you were to put in, lets say Aaron Rodgers, and a better defensive coordinator (Trgovac SUCKS), we'd probably be undefeated and the best team in the league. I love his heart, his leadership, and his penchant for coming up big when it matters, but on a talent level Jake is in the bottom half of the league.

The one negative aspect of winning so much is that we're going to keep on Trgovac. I'm sorry folks but he's not very good. We have a very talented defense and Trgovac just doesn't know how to scheme against opposing offenses. We did stop the run well against the Packers but that's about it.

I think we have very talented DB's, but can someone please tell them that if the opposing QB is throwing nothing but 8 yard stop routes that you should bite on it every now and then? The one time we did was when (I think Gamble) nearly had the interception and Fox reviewed it. Gamble bit and it was nearly a turnover. They only had one deep pass all game and it wasn't because of a double move by the receiver or pump fake. The Cardinals, Falcons, and Packers all killed us with a consistent short passing attack. You don't need a running game and you don't need a deep pass if you can consistently find open receivers for 8 yard throws. You also can't get sacks if the QB does nothing but quick releases. The DB's are fast and talented enough to play the occasional press coverage. Can someone please relay this to a better coach than Trgovac?

Posted by: Christian | Dec 1, 2008 1:54:11 AM

ditto christian, and also, how more balance in the offence. I am starting to believe that its not the other coaches but the head coach. I love foxy but come on more balance and presure from the db's

Posted by: lookin4dlight | Dec 1, 2008 2:17:57 AM

ditto christian, and also, how more balance in the offence. I am starting to believe that its not the other coaches but the head coach. I love foxy but come on more balance and presure from the db's

Posted by: lookin4dlight | Dec 1, 2008 2:18:34 AM

It seems to me that Jake Delhomme has lost his spark. He appears to be a sitting target in the pocket lacking any mobility or scramble that is required by today's NFL quarterbacks. Hold Steve Smith below 100 yds and any contending team will win the game. The Panthers have got to get more weapons to perform more consistently from there arsenal. Lastly, Chris Jenkins trade looks like the smartest move the Panthers have made in some time. Sign me "Even if they make the playoffs they won't go far".

Posted by: Mike | Dec 1, 2008 5:13:22 AM

Its Kris Jenkins not Chris.
Interesting to watch the no spark, sitting target Delhomme scramble for two touchdowns in the past two weeks. Imagine his potential if he ever regains his mobility.
Smith didn't play in the win over Chicago and had less than 100 yards when the Panthers beat Atlanta. Last I checked both were still contenders.
Keep up the well thought comments.

Sign me, "At least I watch the games before posting stupid comments."

Posted by: Jim | Dec 1, 2008 7:44:54 AM

does that girl Procton not post his anti-Panthers thoughts on here anymore? sweet, i may come back and check this site out more if he's gone. never seen a guy that claimed to be a fan hate the team so much.

go panthers!

Posted by: Greatday | Dec 1, 2008 8:01:03 AM

Just a comment about the WR and DB rules when it comes to receptions/fumbles, which Christian mentioned. They have taken out the "football move" part of the rule. Having that said, it seemed as though there was not enough established possession to constitute an interception.

P.S. Where are all the John Fox and Jake Delhomme haters now? I couldn't believe it last week when I heard callers on the radio after the game calling for Jake and Fox's heads. Imagine my surprise when I didnt hear those calls this week!

Posted by: Brooks | Dec 1, 2008 9:36:13 AM

Peps is right. If the QB scrambles back after getting close to OoB once he should be a legal target next time even if he steps out just before the hit.

I also liked the veteran move by Harris holding Beason down after the interception (so that he doesn't try to return and have the ball stripped)

Posted by: Thorrez | Dec 1, 2008 9:55:27 AM

Mike your a moron. We won all but one of the games in which smith didn't get over 100 yards, and two when he DIDN'T PLAY!

You don't know what your talking about.

We won the game you bunch of winers, I swear I live in KC and see better panther fans than the ones in Carolinas, and they don't even like the panthers!

Posted by: gamble20 | Dec 1, 2008 10:46:52 AM

It hurts our defense when our offense goes 3 and out so much. As the game goes on you can see them getting more worn down and the mistakes begin to mount. Yesterday our offense scored big but the time of position was unreal. Even when we scored we did it so fast the defense was right back out there without much rest. In the third and forth quarter when we needed to become a ball control offense and let the defense remain fresh for the end of the game we could not get it done.
WE WON and that's what is important but we may not be so lucky in the next four games.
We have the tools to be a ball control offense and if we can become one we can go far into the playoffs.
Jake does not have all the talent in the world but he can be very good at times. He is due to have better games so maybe he will get hot here at the end of the season when we really need him.

Posted by: jameson redding | Dec 1, 2008 10:54:14 AM

it was great to see jake throw to the running backs.its about time.you see what happens when you play aggressively to win fox. you score 35 points and win on the road.the def line seems to be wearing down but trdo is partly to blame cause he only plays 7 in the box and cant formulate a blitz package.the safeties looked confused all day and marshall too. whats up with that?

Posted by: ray | Dec 1, 2008 11:29:46 AM

i think procton has changed his name to lancer...both stupid as...

Posted by: bigs | Dec 1, 2008 11:44:07 AM

Let's not forget that the Panthers enjoyed great field position all day long in part to the special teams blocking and Mark Jones returns and one takeaway and eventual score due to the Packers center hiking the ball over Rogers head.Also as far I can remember Jake throws into double coverage quite a bit and the pass to Smith at the end of the game he more or less threw it up for grabs.We were fortunate to get out of there with a win given the way our defense got lit up in the 2nd half.

Posted by: Randy | Dec 1, 2008 3:08:44 PM

Jakes whole issue is that he doesn't have good mechanics. He tends to float the ball, especially over the middle. Remember, Moose would have scored if Jake had thrown TO him. That ball was WELL underthrown. And the Smith catches were all Smith. Jake is not very accurate. There were plenty of times when the deeper receiver was open and he threw underneath.
As for the defense. If I have to reach in and pull on Trgovac's neck to get him to blitz, I am going to do it. You can't give a good QB all day to throw. I don't care if you only rush one. Someone will get open. There is NO reason to give an offense the TIME for a receiver to even GET 15 yards downfield, much less 30 or more. Playing not to lose, which is exactly what will happen next week.

Posted by: Bill | Dec 1, 2008 3:56:09 PM

Man that was an exciting game,Jake played well,O-line was their best,Mark Jones was the mule...with the exception of an amazing goal line stance,our stellar defense seems to be struggling the past 2 games.We will need to remember how bad TB made us look and bring the heat on Garcia this Monday.Coaches, please get us ready for MNF ...let's stop pretending we belong here and win this game.
Go Panthers !

Posted by: Pantfan1 | Dec 1, 2008 4:24:39 PM

I see a lot of complaints and whining above about the Panthers. I live in Lacey, WA in the Timberline High School district not far from Jonathan Stewart's house. So, I follow Carolina very closely. I live in the Land of Seahawks, who presently have a 2-10 record. The University of Washington doesn't have a win this year, and Washington State University has only two. (Our NBA team left town) If I had a 9-3 ball club, I would be totally ecstatic, and wouldn't bitch about a thing.

Try walking in my shoes, and see how it feels. I have something to bitch about.

Posted by: drgma | Dec 1, 2008 11:07:17 PM

A Win is a Win.

That being said ...

There is a difference between Winning by "Split Decision" ... and a "K.O.".

I've been something of a Boxing fan for years. I've seen it 100 times. This Panther Team Reminds me of : A Gifted and Talented Boxing Prospect.

He wins his share of fights but never quite dominates most opponets.

He's got good hand speed (Quick Strike Potential) and power (Solid Ground Game) -But- he tends to absorb alot of Body Shots (Defense averages close to 40 minutes a Game ... Through 11 Games).

This fighter doesn't put combinations together consistently (Panthers Offense has not had a Complete Game Since K.C.) but generally wins enough rounds.

With each passing fight a pattern is emerging: The a-c-c-u-m-u-l-a-t-i-o-n of Body Shots (T-o-t-a-l T-i-m-e and Punishment the Defense has had to Bear) from A-l-l the Previous Fights (Games) are starting to show.

In earlier rounds and fights (Games) Reflexes were Quicker (First 4-5 Games the "D" was Gang-Tackling") ... and the Ability to Neutralize Attacks was There (the "D" had Alot of 3&Outs first few Games of the Season).

Now, it's Hard to Counter Even When He Knows What's Coming (Giving up a 1st Dwn P-a-s-s on 3rd & 18).

Plus, He's Having a Harder Time Beating Lessor Opponents (Green Bay has 8-10 Starters Out with Injuries -And- Basically a Rookie QB Who Threw for Almost 300 yrds).

I said all that to say this: D@mn Right the Panthers Defense is Seeming to Struggle in Games. They've Spent More Time on the Field. They Carried this Team Week In/Week Out While the "O-f-f-e-n-s-e" was Trying to Find a C-o-n-s-i-s-t-e-n-t Flow.

The Panthers Offense is Still at the Bottom of League on 3rd Down Conversions. That's Not Totally on the Offense. Alot of That is C-o-a-c-h-i-n-g on 1st & 2nd Dwns. Either Way it Means the Defense has to Get Back Out There After Only 1-minute of Game Time Lapsed.

It's T-o-o Much.

The "Real" Problems with this Panther Team ... are on Offense. The In-Ability to Sustain Drives. The "Keep It Close - Play for the Field Goal" Mentality That Asks a Former Pro-Bowl QB to Simply ... Manage the Game.

John Fox Talked About the Panthers Being: 9-3.

Well ... This team d-i-d n-o-t get to 9-3 in 1-game.

This Offense doesn't Play like it does because of 1-game. They are Who They Are Because of A-l-l 12-Games.

This Defense doesn't Play like it does because of 1-game. It Has Become What it is Because of All 12-Games.

Considering the Role Played by the "D" in Carring This Team ... It's Amazing the Unit is Just Now Starting to Show Slow.

Posted by: T Damion | Dec 2, 2008 3:10:10 AM

we have a small def line but they never get any help.trdo doesnt know what a blitz is and we consistently go with 6-7 in the box.then we play a soft zone,which makes no sense.thats why we get dink and dunked to death. fox sucks.

Posted by: ray | Dec 2, 2008 9:25:59 PM

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