February 28, 2009
Post-Lucas, Lions acquire Cowboys' Henry
The Detroit Lions didn't stop their pursuit of a veteran cornerback after Carolina's Ken Lucas declined to have his contract renegotiated, which effectively nixed the talks between the Panthers and Lions.
It's being reported tonight by ESPN's John Clayton that the Lions traded quarterback Jon Kitna to Dallas in exchange for cornerback Antony Henry, who started for the Cowboys the past three seasons.
So Henry becomes Detroit's newest corner and Kitna has escaped exile and now will be the backup for Tony Romo.
Henry becomes the second veteran cornerback traded in the past two days, following Philadelphia's trade of Lito Sheppard to the New York Jets.
Lucas, of course, remains available.
-- Charles Chandler
Posted by Observer Sports on February 28, 2009 at 07:34 PM | Permalink
When the music stops Marty and crew are gonna be without a chair, possibly their pants as well. Hanging back is a tremendously risky course in this environment.
Posted by: JAT | Feb 28, 2009 8:00:01 PM
A Peppers for Cassel and an additional draft pick would have been the best possible trade the Panthers could have made. However Fox and Hurney have been on a 4 year hangover from drinking the Joke Gohomme spiked kool-aid. We're stuck with the worst starting quarterback in the NFC South until Fox and Hurney are gone. Now it looks like we are stuck with Peppers for next season. What team in their right mind will be willing to give up what the Panthers are looking for and then sign Peppers to a 100 million plus contract. The Redskins stupid move of paying Hansworth all of that money have killed any chance of the Panthers moving Peppers. We'll pay him the 17 million this season and he'll walk for nothing next offseason. Our cap is screwed for this season and we won't hardly have enough cash to sign our draft picks unless some deals are restructured. The only thing positive that can come of this is Fox, Hurney, and Joke Gohomme will be gone come 2010.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 8:16:39 PM
I'm not much of a nay or yay sayer when it comes to Delhomme... I will say that you guys sound like idiots with these very stupid names your coming up for the guy... You can do better than that guys, come on!
Posted by: BizzyP | Feb 28, 2009 8:29:01 PM
You cant please all fans all the time. Fox and Hurney will both do fine this year, they will make great draft choices and Jake has a new quarterbacks coach. All the Pessimistic people out there need to sit down and watch and wait. Patience, people, patience...
Posted by: chafee40 | Feb 28, 2009 8:32:12 PM
BizzyP the guy is a joke as a starting NFL QB and he should just retire and go home. Its as fitting as can be.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 8:33:17 PM
hate to say it, but regardless of how you feel about the nicknames, J Thomas is correct...
the only way to salvage this somehow is trade Pep for NE's two 2nd rounders, restructure Joke - I mean, Jake's contract, and at least get Jeff Garcia for a year. Before everyone moans me out of existence, hear me out: Garcia moves in the pocket. He finds open men and/or gets the first down himself. He doesn't give the game away. The reason the Bucs and other teams let him go is because they expected him to lead/bring up a team to a higher level; our offense is ALREADY there - we just need the proper manager to take advantage of this window he have now, and he -- better than what's out there -- can do that.
Anyway, with Pep traded for those picks, you have three 2nd rounders (don't trade any of 'em), about $20+M to play with, to solidify the defense as much as possible...
But again, JT is right...
Posted by: rick | Feb 28, 2009 8:38:10 PM
JT, maybe if you'd stop drinking the kool-aid, you might get lucid enough to realize that now that Cassel has been traded that our chances to trade Peppers to NE have gone up 1000%. They now have cap room and additional picks. Also a $100 million contract is that in name only. Haynesworth's contract is essentially a 4 yr $48 million contract in which the 1st yrs cap hit will be less than $12 million. Plenty of teams would be willing to pay Peppers that contract, but most can't afford the draft picks.
Posted by: Steve | Feb 28, 2009 8:40:39 PM
Well aware that Cassel was already traded. If you could comprehend what you read if you can read at all I stated "A Peppers for Cassel and an additional draft pick WOULD HAVE BEEN the best possible trade the Panthers could have made" as is past tense. The point was that it was the only trade that made sense for the Panthers. Nothing prohibited the Panthers trading Peppers for Cassel and an additional draft pick. Their current cap numbers would be irrelevant since they both would have to sign new contract with their respective teams. New England is still a possible landing spot for Peppers you're right about that, but the main thing the Panthers needed a QB is no longer on the table. Furthermore to think that Haynesworth's contract will not have an affect on Peppers new deal is just plain stupid. Peppers is going to want more than Haynesworth and no team is going to give up the picks/players the Panthers want and then sign him to that huge deal. The Haynesworth deal is 7 years 100 million or have you been on Mars the past two days.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 9:01:41 PM
At least Rick isn't hung over on the Joke Gohomme spiked kool-aid. Glad to see a person able to think for themselves instead of being brainwashed by Fox, Hurney, and the Panther media.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 9:08:09 PM
What makes you think that Cassel would have solved the panthers woes at the qb situation if you even want to call it that. I think its funny that a guy who gets a chance to start with a high power offense does adequate to say the least and all of a sudden he is the next Brady and we need to give it all up to get him. You guys are about stupid. You think you got it all figured out. I bet you are the same ones to want David Carr to come in and be the white gloved Savior we all needed. Well you saw how that went. Get a life people, you know Fox is not ready to give up on Jake and why should he. Sure he had a bad game in the post season and that's why you are all mad because it is freshest on your minds. But some of you may think, hey he sucked a little bit earlier in the season too. Well I guess unless you are perfect all the time then you need to be kicked out of the Panther's clubhouse. Well if that's the case then I don't think we have a team anymore because I can think of a time when every player on the panthers team made a mistake but you all do not want them gone do you. Bunch of hypocrites all of you. Let the pros make the decisions and you keep playing in your fantasy leagues hoping that one day someone will recognize your "talent"
Posted by: JT thinks Cassel is the next Brady | Feb 28, 2009 9:18:28 PM
We have plenty of time to trade Peppers. We will get a decent trade for his value, pick GREAT draft picks(as always) that we can get for him or perhaps from Lucas. Jake is still good for 3-4 years but a young, skilled backup needs to be looked for in the next year or two. we will be a very good team next year, playoff bound again i belive with that o-line, receivers, RBs, and a medicore D.
ps Fox is a great coach
Posted by: Tarheel Fan | Feb 28, 2009 9:26:01 PM
oh, and i really like Matt Moore-if he gets his shot he will not disappoint
Posted by: Tarheel Fan | Feb 28, 2009 9:28:13 PM
Hay JT thinks Cassel is the next Brady,
Joke Gohomme = 21 turnovers in only 448 pass attempts in 17 games. It wasn't only one bad game as horrible as the playoff game was. It’s about a QB that can't look past his first option and find the open man. It’s about a QB that throws passes up for grabs in hope that his Hall of Fame receiver brings it down. It’s about a QB that is as mobile as a tree in the pocket and plays like a JV third stringer when he is pressured. Sure Cassel played in a good system and was coached by top noticed coaches. But the guy had not started since high school and managed to put up these numbers against a first place schedule:
327 Comp 516 Attempt 63.4 % 3,693 Yards 7.2 Ave per Comp. 21 TD 11 INT 73 Rushing Attempts 270 Rushing Yards 3.7 Rushing Avg. 2 Rushing TD 4 Fumbles Lost
Better than Joke Gohomme all across the board. Cassel is the superior talent clearly. Put him in the Panthers system with a running game to set up the play action pass and his numbers would be even better. The Panthers blew another chance to get a real franchise QB. Fox, Hurney, and Joke Gohomme will be gone after next season you can count on it.
Better yet the Panthers biggest strength is now one injury away from being its biggest weakness. ALL OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE DEPTH IS GONE!!!!!! The same players the offensive line depended on when starters went down with injury are gone. Either cut or let walk right out the front door.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 9:48:14 PM
Matt Cassell is a one hit wonder and is nothing more than a system QB. He will be a bust in KC guaranteed! It would have been highway robbery by the patriots if they recieved Peppers in exchange for just giving up Cassell. Some of you obviously dont know much about football and want to just trade or sign a big name that you might of heard of. Martty is doing the right thing waiting for to get the apropiate compensation. If we cant get at least a 1st and something else then we're better off keeping Peppers with our already thin dline.
Posted by: gengizk | Feb 28, 2009 10:35:32 PM
They could have got a 1st and Cassel for Peppers you fool. Joke Gohomme is a one hit wonder all the way back in 2003.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 10:58:53 PM
And what makes you think the pats would have traded their first and Matt Cassell for peppers when they were already seeking high compensation for cassell alone? Its simple, they wouldnt have made that deal!
As for Jake, I agree he's on the decline but I wouldnt call him a 1 hit wonder. In fact, the super bowl year was his 2nd worst statistical year. I'd rather stick with him than stick in a guaranteed bust like Matt Cassell! Lets see how well he does without Randy Moss and Wes Welker.
Posted by: gengizk | Feb 28, 2009 11:32:38 PM
You idiot gengizk the Pats traded Cassel and Vrabel for the Chiefs' second round pick.
Here is the link for the reading impaired:
If you don't think for a second the Pats would have given up Cassel and their 1st for Peppers you are hung over on the Joke Gohomme 2003 spiked kool-aid. The Pats may still be in the hunt for Peppers, but Hurney and Fox blew the chance to get a franchise QB to replace a glorified backup that is Joke Gohomme.
Posted by: J Thomas | Feb 28, 2009 11:55:06 PM
Are you calling me names because I am owning you that badly? check mate noted :)
I am fully aware of what the pats received for Matt Cassell. Do you think the pats would have traded a 1st round and 2nd round pick for Peppers? because that is what trading Cassell and a 1st would have been the equivelent to. No, they would not have made that trade!
Again, I agree that Jake is on the decline and we have to find his replacemente eventually. But Matt Cassell is not the answer. He is a SYSTEM QB!!! Watch him fail in KC.
Posted by: gengizk | Mar 1, 2009 12:17:37 AM
JT, Once you come down from your kool-aid rant you might find the following article interesting(http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3940991). FYI, the contract IS a 4 yr $48 million contract with a $29 Million "poison pill" in year five. So a $100 Million contract really ISN'T a $100 Million contract altho maybe that kool-aid is a poison pill.
Posted by: Steve | Mar 1, 2009 12:26:17 AM
Incredible, rick, for a QB that "doesn't give away the game," that Jeff Garcia has a .486 career winning percentage. Compared to Delhomme's .622, I think I'll take the QB we've GOT.
jt, you're wrong about franchise players. They are under no requirement to work out deals before being traded. Further, the notion that Delhomme "chucks up jump balls to a Hall of Fame reciever" is at the very LEAST equaled by Cassell-to-Moss. Further, I like how you choose to state his counting numbers IN A PASSING OFFENSE when our rushing game took many of the cheap numbers that Cassell got. FIVE of his TDs were 8 yards or less. Two of Delhomme's were. Seven of Delhomme's TDs were 25+ yards; FOUR of Cassell's were. I'll take the QB who WINS GAMES, not the one who puts up numbers.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Mar 1, 2009 12:29:38 AM
I agree with Michael on all points.
Oh by the way, what team did Matt Cassel lead into the postseason? Oh wait, he didn't, but I'm sure Jake Delhomme did make it to the playoffs ...
Posted by: Shane | Mar 1, 2009 3:42:33 AM
yeah, good attempts to point out winning percentages of the QBs, but unfortunately for you, winning pct. points out an overall team performance (surely you don't think Garcia's the sole blame for bad Cleveland Brown losses, do you?) No, I'm talking about when your team has the lead or is desperate for you to not turn the ball over - give me Garcia over Delhomme in those crucial, OFT situations...
Look, my opinion on specific QB has more to do with what this team needs on offense to win THIS year: A QB who can lead, has pocket sense and doesn't turn the ball over incessantly. I really have liked Jake/Joke over the years, but now it seems he's lacking those three points - the antics in the huddle in the last game (not leadership), the fumbles/sacks that his own (no pocket sense), and six turnovers in one game, please...
And for those who obviously didn't watch Cassel play (you saw highlights MAYBE on Sportscenter), you didn't see the way he orchestrated drives and handled a team. And stop chirping about "well, he threw to Moss/Welker" - we have a pretty good receiver for him to throw to as well, including one of the best running games in the league that would make his passing easier...
All I'm saying is that we could get a more effecient offensive field leader/manager for a small portion for what Jake is under contract for this year. Deal Pep, restructure Jake, use picks and remaining FE $ to do what you can on defense - and let Jake have a serious, experienced QB whom he has to maintain his starting position over - or lose. That's if you want to win THIS year...
Posted by: rick | Mar 1, 2009 7:04:10 AM
It's deja vu time, kiddies. Last year's offseason was full of Fox and Hurney bashing and the result was a GREAT draft (Stewart, Otah, Godfrey)and a 12-4 season. Do you know how many NFL teams would die for that kind of terrible GM and coaching?
Posted by: magicman | Mar 1, 2009 7:51:02 AM
The Pat nuts in Bah-stin think the deal with KC helped clear the decks FOR a Peppers deal. Carolina would have to take the #23 pick and be happy with that, though.
In the meantime, I await CC telling us how Pep at 6'6" 265 could not possibly fill the OLB slot left by Vrabel at 6'4" 260.
Posted by: JAT | Mar 1, 2009 8:02:40 AM
Look at all the QB's who came back from knee surgery.... Took them more than a year to get back right. Jake still has one or two years left. I didnt expect him to do as well as he did after tommy john. Takes at over a year to rebuild the strength and stamina that you had before. Ask any MLB pitcher who has had it. Look for a Better season from Jake Delhomme if we get som quality O-Line Backups and Figure out the Peppers and Lucas sagas.
Posted by: adam | Mar 1, 2009 10:09:25 AM
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