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March 16, 2009

Panthers: No Peppers deal, or talks

Carolina Panthers general manager Marty Hurney denied an Internet report Monday that the Carolina Panthers were working on a trade to send defensive end Julius Peppers to the New England Patriots for a second-round pick, 34th overall.

Furthermore, Hurney said he was unaware of any activity involving Peppers and other teams.

An NFL.com story indicated Carolina and New England were hoping to complete the trade sometime between next week's owners' meetings in Dana Point, Calif., and the draft in late April.

“By the rules of the (collective bargaining agreement), we cannot and have not had any conversations with other teams about Julius,” Hurney said in a statement. “Under the non-exclusive franchise tag, Julius and his agent, Carl Carey, are within their rights to talk to other teams about a potential contract. However, at this point, we are not aware of any such conversations.”

Carey did not return telephone messages.

Peppers' contract expired following the 2008 season, after which he and Carey said he wanted to move to another team. They said he was especially interested in playing in a 3-4 defense, which the Patriots employ.

Peppers and Carey were hoping the Panthers would not use their franchise tag on Peppers and instead allow him to become an unrestricted free agent. But the team tagged him just hours before the deadline last month after signing All-Pro left tackle Jordan Gross to a multi-year contract.

The Panthers have consistently said they want to keep Peppers, whose contract tender as a franchise free agent is counting $16.683million against the team's 2009 salary cap.

The team has very little salary-cap room, but seems willing to keep Peppers at that price. He counted nearly $14million against the Panthers' cap last season, when he had a career-high 141/2 sacks and was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl.

The CBA allows Peppers to talk to other teams, who could sign him to an offer sheet. The Panthers would have the right to match the offer sheet, or reject it and receive two first-round picks in return.

There also have been instances when teams have agreed to less compensation in trades involving franchise players, but the Panthers so far have been steadfast about the CBA's trade terms for franchise free agents.

   -- Charles Chandler

Posted by Observer Sports on March 16, 2009 at 06:53 PM | Permalink


A 2nr rnd pick. You gotta be kiddin me. I hope this is just a horible rumor. Best tell peps agent he better be looking for at least 1st rnd compensation.

Posted by: SHaun | Mar 16, 2009 7:07:01 PM

Crud !

Posted by: Blah | Mar 16, 2009 7:10:26 PM

But, we have had conversations with Pepper's agent Carl Carey about what we both are trying to work out for a draft day trade.

Posted by: Charlie Dayton | Mar 16, 2009 7:10:27 PM

What a shame... At this point, I would trade Peppers for some salt. A 2nd rounder would be more than he's worth.

Posted by: C. W. | Mar 16, 2009 7:13:35 PM

They'd better get three picks if the highest one is a 2nd rounder...

Posted by: Ashe | Mar 16, 2009 7:26:35 PM

Peppers for Wilfork

Posted by: gengizk | Mar 16, 2009 7:32:14 PM

It would be great if we got a 2nd for Pep.

It's a little over a month till the draft, I'd be more worried about seeing him playing for Carolina next year on a one year contract.

Posted by: Matt Anderson | Mar 16, 2009 7:34:38 PM

A 2ND ROUND PICK??? You have got to be kidding me...I mean I love having Jake as our QB but in a year or 2, he's going to be done. Being able to trade Pep for Cutler would be a perfect scenario and would set ourselves up for the future at the QB position.

ESPN reported that Denver has already said that they are not accepting offers that include draft picks which means that they are looking to swap players...PEPPERS!!

Posted by: rhackney | Mar 16, 2009 7:35:03 PM

I hope Julius Peppers GET a VERY,VERY L-A-R-G-E contract and leave these DUMB-AS- panthers!!!!My hope is the panthers NEVER EVER win a Super Bowl!!!

Posted by: Odell | Mar 16, 2009 7:43:33 PM

I know this isn't new thinking, but what if we traded him to Green Bay, wait for it, but instead of a bunch of draft picks, swap Pep for Aaron Kampman and a 2nd or 3rd. I think that'd be a fair trade.

By and large, Kampman is very consistent at both pass rush and stopping the run at a very high level the last 3 or 4 years, he's one of the tops and he isn't going to fit in Green Bay's 3-4 switch.

Pep has way better potential, but I'd take consistent pass rush and run stoppage over some amazing and mostly bad games from Pep.

My 2 cents.

Posted by: Mark | Mar 16, 2009 7:46:00 PM

thank god for small miracles

Posted by: SSGPat | Mar 16, 2009 7:51:20 PM

I would do two second rounders (KCs and NEs) from NE for Peppers.

Posted by: Bruce | Mar 16, 2009 7:51:52 PM

I am a patriots fan, and quite honestly, I don't believe this article. Obviously hes gonna say no right now, because he doesn't want the fanbase to start believing they are going back into "rebuiling" mode. I am guessing that right now, the pats and Peppers are discussing a long term contract and once thats done, the trade WILL happen.
Trust me.
Peps gonna be a Patriot

Posted by: Patsfan | Mar 16, 2009 7:52:45 PM

I think it makes sense to be looking for more picks in the later rounds than a high first rounder...we can't afford that big of a salary cap hit and we could use the depth.

Posted by: Tim | Mar 16, 2009 7:52:50 PM

Other teams know Pep has the Panthers over a barrel. You are crazy if you think a team is going to give a first round pick plus anything else for Peppers. This isn't like the Jared Allen trade last year.

New England got a second rounder for Cassell and Vrabel. That's a starting QB and a starting LB for a second round pick. That's it. But it took millions off the Patriots' salary cap.

Look at it this way, if reports about the Patriots deal is true, the Panthers are getting a high second round pick and tons of salary cap flexibility for Peppers. And that is worth plenty.

Posted by: DBM LA | Mar 16, 2009 7:54:22 PM

Charles....do you believe Charlie Dayton's statement?

I know you are doing your job by quoting the Panthers press release, but this is a blog. I think the readers would like to hear your opinion of this press release. Do you believe it? Do you think this is the right thing to do?

Posted by: DBM LA | Mar 16, 2009 7:57:57 PM

Cmon Panthers - TWO second rounders for Pep (at least more than just one second rounder!) GROW SOME and DEAL the way a real team does and get two from them - New England has a bunch of picks, please don't let the cap $ relief be included in his value because it SHOULDN'T...just because NE did the Cassel deal for the lowball amount doesn't mean you have to as well...

Posted by: rick | Mar 16, 2009 8:03:05 PM

Mr. Richardson is a class act. Peppers doesn't want to be here. Trade him to a team where he can be successful and win.

Posted by: Michael | Mar 16, 2009 8:07:58 PM

I say thumbs down on bringing in Cutler.

Don't be so quick to write off the 2nd pick in the 2nd round; especially when you have to sign these draftees and possibly bring in an FA or two. Money's tight, ya know.

Posted by: BigMikey | Mar 16, 2009 8:11:59 PM

I say thumbs down on bringing in Cutler.

Also, don't be so quick to write off the 2nd pick in the 2nd round, especially if they'll augment it with one or more further picks. These draftees have to be signed, and you may still see an FA or two come in.
Money's tight, ya know.

Posted by: BigMikey | Mar 16, 2009 8:16:45 PM

I say thumbs down on bringing in Cutler.

Also, don't be so quick to write off the 2nd pick in the 2nd round, especially if they'll augment it with one or more further picks. These draftees have to be signed, and you may still see an FA or two come in.
Money's tight, ya know.

Posted by: BigMikey | Mar 16, 2009 8:16:45 PM

The obvious solution is trade Peppers to Denver for Cutler. We get a young stud QB, Jake rides the pine, and Denver gets a great DE. LET'S GET CUTLER, HURNEY! But trade Pep for a 2nd rounder? LOL.. NO DEAL!

And DBM, Peppers does not have the Panthers over any barrel, they have his rights and he can either play for their franchise contract or sit out and get 0 and waste a year of his prime.

Posted by: JakesGottaGo | Mar 16, 2009 8:29:04 PM

The NFL.com report was courtesy of Vic Carucci. If it was by way of Adam Schefter, then I would call Hurney a liar because Schefter never misses. This whole ordeal is nothing more than a bunch of hearsay and the Panthers could care less about freeing up cap space when they have all of but one of their starters returning from a division champion team. If you look at this from a pure investment standpoint, why would the Panthers cash out an investment, Peppers was a 2nd overall pick, at a lower going rate, the 34th overall pick. Peppers isn't going anywhere unless an early to mid-round first draft pick is on the table.

Posted by: mountaineerdynasty | Mar 16, 2009 8:29:58 PM

Sorry, my s#%t keeps disappearing, now I see where they went. Upgrade, McClatchy!

Posted by: BigMikey | Mar 16, 2009 8:30:12 PM

ESPN just resported Mike Vrabel will be included in said trade with 2nd round pick....

Posted by: C | Mar 16, 2009 8:30:16 PM

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