April 13, 2009
Bye-bye, Jason Kyle?
On Monday, the team traded a conditional seventh-round draft choice in 2011 to the Green Bay Packers for long snapper J.J. Jansen, an undrafted rookie last year who spent the season on injured reserve.
This means if Jansen becomes the Panthers' long snapper, they'll give up their seventh-round draft choice in 2011 to the Packers. If he doesn't, it won't cost the Panthers anything.
The salary-cap strapped Panthers haven't said if they'll re-sign free agent Kyle, who has handled the team's long-snapping duties since 2001 and has played 128 games for the Panthers, seventh most in franchise history.
Jansen (6-2, 256 pounds) played collegiately at Notre Dame. -- David Scott
Posted by Observer Sports on April 13, 2009 at 05:52 PM | Permalink
What ? ... I mean what ? Was Kyle asking for too much money ? Rather pay him those 200 extra G`s instead of trading some future draft pick, altought its 2011. Is it me or does this trade make no sense at all ?!?!
Posted by: Krueger | Apr 13, 2009 6:19:43 PM
You are right this trade makes no sense, nor does this article - is Jansen a long snapper? What was his injury? And why would we let Kyle (a good snapper) go for an injured untested and undrafted rookie?
Posted by: Ben | Apr 13, 2009 6:31:36 PM
Julius Peppers is being such a prick, holding us hostage. He won't sign a contract he is going to be forced to sign eventually anyways. I hope that he likes it when we send his ass to Kansas City or Green Bay. He can have fun chasing dick in a place that he has no chance of winning a title and he can finish his career in relative obscurity. I hope he realizes that that you reap what you sow and by screwing us now he is screwing his chances of landing where he wants.
Posted by: Why does Peppers love bananas? | Apr 13, 2009 6:44:22 PM
Yeah, this trade does seem very bogus... why waste a draft pick on a guy that was on IR last year as an undrafted free agent?? Jason Kyle wouldn't have took much money at all to resign after the draft or whatever when we clear some cap space... I'm thinking more and more that we have to get Peppers off our books immediately to get some cap relief. We might have trouble even signing our draft picks if we don't.
Posted by: Shane | Apr 13, 2009 6:45:04 PM
Yeah this is definitely a head-scratcher. I assume this means Jansen is a long-snapper, but there is nothing in this article that indicates he's done it before or is any good at it. It certainly isnt "fairly obvious" to me that this means Kyle is gone. One thing for sure, there's no way Jansen is even remotely as good as Kyle.
If Kyle really is gone, you have to wonder, have we forgotten how important special teams are? Just look at how much difference Lloyd made on kickoffs and Mark Jones on kick returns from the year before. I'd be willing to bet the improvement from having those 2 guys was the difference between winning and losing at least a few games last year, and that is HUGE. And now we've already let Jones walk and Kyle might be gone as well? This could really cost us next year. With the NFC South as competitive as it appears it will be next year, we can't afford to lose a single game on a botched snap or consistently bad field position. Come on Hurney.
Posted by: Jim | Apr 13, 2009 6:58:45 PM
This article is poorly written and makes this trade/FA situation very hard to comprehend. On the Pepper's note, we are only paying him a few million dollars more this season that last. We aren't letting him walk for free, and we aren't giving him up for anything less than what we got him for, a 1st round pick. And in the miracle we were able to sign him to a long-term deal, he would still command top dollar and would free up a few million dollars per years at best, enough to sign one decent player. He is hardly holding us hostage, and if we're going to take that stance, let's be honest and recognize that he has been for years now. And for signing the draft picks, the best pick we have is a late 2nd rounder, we don't have to worry about paying a lot of money to rookies. The Panthers are in fine condition. If they can bolster the offensive and defensive lines in the draft then this team will be competing for another NFC South crown.
Posted by: mountaineerdynAsty | Apr 13, 2009 7:12:39 PM
Apparently, he's a long-snapper.
Posted by: dogear | Apr 13, 2009 7:12:56 PM
Write you good normally articles. Not this time much so.
SERIOUSLY, PROOFREAD YOUR BLOG BEFORE YOU POST IT SO THERE IS SOME SORT OF STORY/DETAIL TO IT.
Posted by: South Florida Panthers Fan Club | Apr 13, 2009 7:25:25 PM
I hope all the Peppers apologists from the past few years now see his true colors. I personally don't think he's being a prick. I think he is just honestly that unintelligent and doesn't have a clue what his actions are causing.
Posted by: TP | Apr 13, 2009 7:26:50 PM
How in tarnation did you three survive the Observer's layoffs ??? Really, how ? I bet that story makes less sense than your posts, if thats even possible.
Posted by: IveSaiditBefore | Apr 13, 2009 7:55:35 PM
To the agent of Julius Peppers:
Please contact the N.E. Patriots and the Denver Broncos and develop a trade package to present to the Panthers. It is time to let your client have his trade!
Posted by: GooseCreek | Apr 13, 2009 7:58:22 PM
This seems like a strange move to give up a draft pick (published as a conditional '11 7th) for an unproven, undrafted LS. Granted, he IS about twice as cheap as Kyle, and that's a good thing, plus he ranked as the #3 LS by PFW (behind 6th-round pick Nick Schmitt of SEA and Tim Bugg, who bounced around a few camps before being out of the league before August); those are good things, but I just really hope we don't end up losing that pick unless he's a full-time replacement for the next 32 games.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Apr 13, 2009 7:58:49 PM
Are you kidding me?? This organization is unbelievable! They make some of the most bone-headed moves I have ever seen ... not resigning Kyle, but will give up a draft pick for an unproven player on IR (??) ... and keeping Jake the Mistake for 11 million and not restructuring his contract (??) ... Plus, Peppers and his 16+ million salary cap hit this year and nothing remotely even close to being worked out there, what the heck is going on here??
Posted by: C. | Apr 13, 2009 8:24:37 PM
Guys, calm down. This is from the J.J. Jansen bio on the official Notre Dame athletics site.
CAREER: One of the top long snappers in the nation who is a model of consistency and accuracy ... since taking over as long snapper midway through the 2005 season, has been flawless on all 186 snaps for punts, extra points and field goals ... has played in 20 games the last two years for Notre Dame.
It seems to me the Panthers are looking to get younger at the position. That's all. It happens all the time.
And how some of you automatically leapt to the conclusion that this was a cost-saving move due to the Julius Peppers contract standoff is beyond me . Have the Panthers been desperately jettisoning players to get under the cap? No.
Peppers cap figure for this year is only a couple of million dollars more than it was in 2008. The team can easily work around that.
Posted by: CalmingInfluence | Apr 13, 2009 8:25:07 PM
And to back up my previous post. Jason Kyle is 36 years old. He turns 37 in May. This will be his 16th season in the NFL. At what point do you think the Panthers should look to find his replacement? If this Jansen trade works out - and judging from his college stats this kid is pretty good - we have our long snapper for the next decade.
Posted by: CalmingInfluence | Apr 13, 2009 8:39:04 PM
That makes sense CalmingInfluence, now if we can get the Panthers Organization to take this same stance at quarterback ....
Posted by: C. | Apr 13, 2009 9:00:33 PM
You guys need a little faith. First of all, I saw nothing in the press release I saw that mentioned long snappers or Jason Kyle. All I do know is that the Panthers haven't let us down since Fox and Hurney arrived. The worst season we have had was 9 abd 7 and that's respectable. Besides, all of the cards haven't been played yet, nobody including the Panthers front office know how the Peppers thing is going to play out, and until we do, it seems a little premature to jump to conclusions. I'm pretty sure Fox and Hurney know what they are doing without a lot of unsolicited advice. Just remember they haven't dissapointed so far and trust them. Since that desaster with Siefert, we have had a respectable team on the field every year and I'm confident this will be no exception in spite of the schedule.
Posted by: Airman | Apr 13, 2009 9:05:49 PM
Sorry about that, I meant to say the worst season we ever had was 7 and 9. That still beats 4 and 12 which was a typical year for the Atlanta Falcons for their first thirty years in the NFL. Heck we're new enough in the NFL to where I am still just thrilled to be there.
Posted by: Airman | Apr 13, 2009 9:09:12 PM
Ci, we actually did have to cut Nehemiah Broughton less than a month after we signed him specifically because of Peppers' gigantic cap number. Further, we can't sign Jason Goode to an agreed-to contract for the same reason.
Posted by: Michael Procton | Apr 13, 2009 9:45:50 PM
"Julius Peppers is being such a prick, holding us hostage. He won't sign a contract he is going to be forced to sign eventually anyways. I hope that he likes it when we send his ass to Kansas City or Green Bay. He can have fun chasing dick in a place that he has no chance of winning a title and he can finish his career in relative obscurity. I hope he realizes that that you reap what you sow and by screwing us now he is screwing his chances of landing where he wants."
How exactly are the Panthers going to trade Peppers without his consent? Peppers would have to be willing to sign a long term deal with the new team in order for the team to trade for him. As I said months ago and got lambasted by the know it alls on this board, the minute the Panthers franchised Peppers, Peppers gained all the leverage. The Panthers can either trade him to a team he wants to go to, or the Panthers can pay him $16.7MM for one season and then start the process over again next season. Peppers made it clear he did not want to play for the Panthers, but the Panthers decided to franchise him. Peppers is not the bad guy here - he played out his 7 year contract, won the NFC rookie of the year his first season and then went to 4 pro bowls (including 3 of the last 4 years). He did all you can ask of him. He wanted a change of scenery and the Panthers decided to take a risk by franchising him. The Panthers created this situation, not Peppers.
Posted by: ponch | Apr 13, 2009 9:51:04 PM
Ponch, I'm not following your logic. What leverage does Peppers have right now? He can either sign a long-term deal with the Panthers, play for one season for Carolina under the franchise tag, or sign a deal with another team which is pretty much the same thing as signing with Carolina since the Panthers are sure to match any offer. Of course he could turn down the $16.7 million and sit out the 2009 season in protest. I highly doubt that. No team is willing to part with two first-round draft picks for Peppers. Certainly no team is going to part with those two first-round picks to play Peppers away from his natural position at defensive end. Not this year; not next year. As soon as Peppers declared the reason he didn't want to play for Carolina was so he could switch to outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense, his value dropped tremendously. Peppers is a defensive end. Period. No one is going to part with the draft picks and commit the kind of money it would take to sign Peppers long-term to give him a "tryout" at a position he has never played before. From where I'm sitting, the moment Carolina placed the franchise tag on Peppers the Panthers gained all of the leverage.
Posted by: CalmingInfluence | Apr 13, 2009 10:07:26 PM
Actually Bellichick suggested in an interview for Peppers to sign his tender, and I think once he does (if he does?) teams like NE or whomever will be ready to deal.
Posted by: C. | Apr 13, 2009 11:00:16 PM
If Peppers signs the tender, the Panthers can then trade him whenever and to whomever they want. Peppers doesn't want that. Carolina might ship him off to Detroit for the No. 1 pick in the draft or to Oakland for future draft picks just to teach him a lesson. I'm kidding, of course. But it just goes to show that Peppers doesn't have a lot of options right now.
Posted by: CalmingInfluence | Apr 13, 2009 11:05:54 PM
Relax. It's conditional. Chances are it's based on him being on the final roster. Maybe this is just a way to scare your guy into signing for what they want to pay him and then you can cut Jansen.
Posted by: somepackerfanguy | Apr 13, 2009 11:16:36 PM
does anybody remember the problems we had before we signed kyle? I do. I remember when seifert didnt have a proven long snapper and he botched at least 3 snaps that year. sign kyle and we wont have to worry about bad snaps. we have enough pressure when the panthers always play it close, we dont need to worry about bad snap on a punt or field goal
Posted by: rafi | Apr 13, 2009 11:56:36 PM
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