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April 15, 2009

Mayock: Keep Peppers unless offer is huge

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said today the Carolina Panthers shouldn't trade franchised defensive end Julius Peppers unless they receive "tremendous value" in return.

"If I didn't get a lot of value, I wouldn't do anything with him," Mayock said on a national teleconference, responding to a question from The Observer.

"Those guys (athletic pass-rushing defensive ends) are hard to find. If I'm Carolina and (if) I'm (coach) John Fox, I'm not doing anything with that guy unless I get tremendous value."

Asked to define what he'd consider ample compensation, Mayock said: "A first round pick -- plus ...  plus an existing player who is good young player in the National Football League or another draft pick this year or next year. It would have to be a high pick."

Peppers said after last season ended that he preferred to play elsewhere and believed getting in a new system would  help him maximize his potential. Once he was franchised, however, his options became limited, especially since he submitted a list of only four teams he'd like to play for.

It has been confirmed that his list included New England. It also most likely included Philadelphia. Mayock said Peppers would fit in either scheme -- as a 4-3 defensive end with the Eagles and as a projected 3-4 outside linebacker with the Patriots.

Since Peppers is 29, Mayock said any team interesting in trading "tremendous value" for Peppers "would have to be a team with significant Super Bowl aspirations who think he's the missing link."

The Panthers have said they want to keep Peppers. However, they appear open to a trade, but only if the compensation is substantial enough.

(X) While Carolina's primary pre-draft needs are adding depth on the offensive and defensive lines and at cornerback, Mayock said one of the best values available to them with their first selection (No. 59 overall in the second round) would be a tight end who could stretch the field.

"There are so many vertical-threat tight ends in the draft. (It's) going to be 8-10 tight ends deep -- at least three rounds full of tight ends where you can get a guy who can go down the field and catch the football.

"I think that would really be good for this offense. That makes the most sense to me where they're picking. It's where the need matches up with the depth in the draft."

Among tight ends who could be available as valid options for the 59th pick, Mayock cited Missouri's Chase Coffman, Rice's James Casey, Wisconsin's Travis Beckum, and Cincinnati defensive end/tight end prospect Connor Barwin.

All four of those players have good speed, but weigh less than 250 pounds. The Panthers generally like larger tight ends who can block.

It'll be interesting to see whether Mayock is right. For several years, draft analysts have figured the Panthers needed tight end help, but so far it has not been an early-round emphasis in the John Fox-Marty Hurney era.

To Mayock's credit, his final mock drafts the past two years nailed both of the Panthers' first picks -- linebacker Jon Beason in 2007 and running back Jonathan Stewart in '08.

-- Charles Chandler

Posted by Observer Sports on April 15, 2009 at 04:20 PM | Permalink


How many Tight Ends are we going to draft before we get it right?

Posted by: LucasGotBurnt | Apr 15, 2009 4:38:45 PM

In reading this I knew who wrote the article before I got to the end.
Give it a rest Chuck!!
When I saw him saying tight end I then knew that he is not worth listening to.

Posted by: Pantherman1 | Apr 15, 2009 4:43:54 PM

The Panther's offense doesn't utilize the tight end!!!!!! How many times does this need to be said? The seam routes that most teams use a TE in are where the slot receiver goes in the Panther's offense after going in motion across the formation. The only time the TE is in a pass pattern is on bootlegs and sometimes they release one in a two TE set. That's why 90% of the receptions are by receivers.

Posted by: TP | Apr 15, 2009 4:45:45 PM

The rest of the NFC South will be Tight End loaded. NO has Shockey, TB has Winslow, and Atlanta is making a deal for Gonzalez.

Posted by: Authority | Apr 15, 2009 5:40:16 PM

the rest of the nfc south knows we cant cover tight ends

Posted by: rrrrrrr | Apr 15, 2009 6:09:28 PM

C'Mon!!! Tight End...haaa!!!!
We have 3 competitives Tight Ends in King, Rosario and Barnidge.

We need to add more depth to OL, DL and CB.
And give the ball to M. Moore, please!!! he control the ball better than Delhomme.

Posted by: Rock | Apr 15, 2009 6:20:00 PM

Enough with the tightends!

Posted by: Nate | Apr 15, 2009 6:30:28 PM

Get alot of Talent and I'll be find

Posted by: TILII | Apr 15, 2009 7:27:22 PM

Get alot of Talent and I'll be find

Posted by: TILII | Apr 15, 2009 7:27:25 PM

I'd definitely like to trade Peppers. It'd be hard to get equal value back, but having $17 million dollars become available for free agents would help a lot, and would not show up in a trade. Plus we'd at least 1 first rounder and other high picks, helping us address some other needs. I wish the Panthers were pursuing a trade a little more aggressively, it seems like a good idea. Plus we've needed a tight end since Walls retired. Considering Steve gets doubled relentlessly adding a consistent pass catcher with size in the middle of the field would help tremendously. Sure he'd need to block decently, but theres a reason tight ends are allowed to leave the line of scrimmage for crying out loud. Enough of these mediocre TE's we always wind up with who are backups at best.

Posted by: Where'sWalls? | Apr 15, 2009 7:41:30 PM

I could agree with Mayock's opinion in a vacuum. But coupled with the fact that Peppers' agent has said publicly that he didn't want to be here...that adds a new element. Basically if this was Madden 09, I'd agree 100% with Mayock...but its not...there are personalities and egos and emotions involved...Its not as cut and dry as he makes it sound

Posted by: J | Apr 15, 2009 8:28:09 PM

we should trade peppers for a good cornerback and or safety

Posted by: panthersfangrr | Apr 15, 2009 8:47:41 PM

Julius Peppers has proven that he will do things his way. He has an agent who doesn't know what an agent is supposed to do. He asked to be traded, he limits the Panthers options at every opportunity, neither he or his agent are now speaking to anyone ??? and finally Julius....sign the tender, sit down with the Panthers and discuss what you want to do. The entire country can't help but think that you are clueless.

Posted by: scoot | Apr 15, 2009 8:56:31 PM

Isn't that why they drafted barnidge from
l-ville lest year... he is a stretch the field recieving tight end, and was also a huge pass catching threat in college... between rosario and barnidge I think we are covered in pass catching tight ends even if they aren't spectacular.

Posted by: ClayB25 | Apr 15, 2009 9:03:09 PM

I could see a tight end selection in the right circumstance. I'd select James Casey the tight end from Rice if he's available at the third round pick. He played several positions well at Rice (wr/te/rb/fb/qb). At tight end he could be a red zone threat near the end zone, play blocking/receiver fullback or motion receiver, and even play quarterback if the Panthers want to throw a wildcat formation in for a pattern change.

Posted by: GooseCreek | Apr 15, 2009 10:01:02 PM

Look, let's be honest. Fox and this coaching staff wouldn't know what to do with a tight-end of they had both Antonio Gates and Jason Witten on the roster.

Posted by: Rented Mule | Apr 15, 2009 10:04:09 PM

Yes they would, RM...they'd have them block for one of the best rushing games in the NFL.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Apr 16, 2009 12:12:12 AM

Mike Mayock has a job as a draft analyst. He gets his info on players from the GMs and scouts around the league because he works for NFL Network. He's as clueless as any of us about how to run a team. Why give a college scout any credibility?

Posted by: Ben | Apr 16, 2009 1:31:42 AM

just relax everyone. Maycock was asked his opinion and last i checked he is intitled to his. We need some help on the DL first and foremost. That is the key to our success this year. We don't have to have J-Pepp. Watchout for C. Johnson this year he could be huge for us. The othere necessity is QB. Let me say that again we need a QB. I have to agree with ClayB25, we have the TE we need. Lets get some help on the OL and CB spots we look pretty thin there. This is my opinion, and just like Maycock, one i am intitled to.

Posted by: Tom | Apr 16, 2009 7:15:39 AM

If peppers really wants out, all he has to do is throw a cry fit like cutler did

Posted by: Derrick | Apr 16, 2009 7:18:13 AM

Does no one even spell check the headline? Analyist . . . I mean really!

Posted by: DBIGCAT | Apr 16, 2009 7:38:24 AM

i love Pepp but if he is unhappy he should move on. we had the pleasure of watching him in silver and black (and sometines teal). the Panthers are going to be a good team again this year, we just need DEPTH. with the style we play,injuries are common place. Jake is a Manager not a game changer. i think we need a comparable back up a good manager ala (kerry collins type)

Posted by: Tom | Apr 16, 2009 7:47:03 AM


Posted by: Mel | Apr 16, 2009 8:05:14 AM


Posted by: Mel | Apr 16, 2009 8:07:05 AM

Mayock is the worst of all draft analysts. This is the same guy that think Robert Ayers is the 3rd best prospect in this year's draft. Take everything Mayock says with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Smiley | Apr 16, 2009 8:18:59 AM

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