August 15, 2009
Browns' DL Williams a possible Panther?
Panthers general manager Marty Hurney is scouting the Cleveland-Green Bay exhibition tonight, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Hurney couldn't immediately be reached for comment, but potentially could be checking out Browns' defensive lineman Corey Williams as a prospect to fill Carolina's need for a veteran defensive tackle.
One big issue, however: Could the Panthers fit Williams' $1.7 million base salary under their salary cap? (His base salary grows to $4.2 million in 2010).
Williams had two standout years as a 4-3 defensive tackle for Green Bay in 2006 and 2007. The Packers put their franchise tag on him and traded him to Cleveland for a second-round pick in February 2008.
Williams (6-4, 320 pounds) didn't seem to fit as well as a defensive end in Cleveland's 3-4 scheme while having a less-than-spectacular season last year.
There has been quiet speculation that the Browns might be willing to part ways with Williams if he doesn't perform better in the 3-4 scheme. For the Panthers to get him, they'd almost certainly have to trade for him. It's hard to imagine the Browns waiving him and getting nothing in return, but even if they did, the Panthers would be far too low down the waiver list after last year's 12-4 finish to realistically have a chance to get a defensive lineman of his caliber.
Stay tuned on this one.
As middle linebacker Jon Beason said earlier today, the Panthers "definitely" need to obtain a veteran defensive tackle to help replace starter Maake Kemoeatu, who suffered a season-ending Achilles tendon tear in the first practice of training camp Aug. 3.
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Posted by Observer Sports on August 15, 2009 at 08:36 PM | Permalink
Yeah, they need a DT, but I find it hard to believe a good run-stopper is just going to fall in their lap. We should get a good idea of the run-stopping ability come Monday night vs. Giants.
Posted by: Panther Dan | Aug 15, 2009 9:11:25 PM
Who is on our roster that:
1. Is expendable
2. The Browns would want
3. Makes enough money that the difference between their salary and Williams' will stay under our cap?
Posted by: Authority | Aug 15, 2009 9:22:13 PM
I hate to say this honestly, but if Captain Munnerlan is as good as advertised, that could make Richard Marshall tradeable and push Captain to starting corner with Sherrod Martin as our possible nickle. That's ONLY if Corey Williams would be that effective in a 4-3. Would have mixed emotions about this because I really like Marshall, but realistically we have a glaring need at DT. Surprisingly, our CB's have more depth than in the past. Would be a risk, but could be worth it. Don't hate too much because I have nothing but love for Richard Marshall. Any thoughts on this?
Posted by: EricH | Aug 15, 2009 9:44:03 PM
If Hurney is scouting him, they must already have some sort of trade on the table
Posted by: Millertime | Aug 15, 2009 9:51:52 PM
Our lb core is stacked. Dan Connor is nasty.
Landon johnson had 90+ tackles, and lead the team in tackels with the Bangels. We should trade the two or some other combo for a better d tackle than willams. LB has the deepest and most valuable back ups to trade. Damn we should kept Jenkins
Posted by: hamptonhowle | Aug 15, 2009 9:55:40 PM
Cap is good I suppose but Marshall is our man sorta like manning was but better.Besides we need depth so why trade him both has special teams skills remember last season marshall broke into back feild pick the ball off before the kicker could get it and raced 80yards for a touchdown!Lets got wait and see how good cap is and why we havnt pursued dewanye robertson for DT help also Cory Irven might be the sleeper there.
Posted by: fanman | Aug 15, 2009 9:59:02 PM
I agree with the depth in our LB corps. Sad thing is, our defensive roster is better equipped to run a 3-4 than a 4-3. Not saying I prefer a 3-4, just saying we have ridiculous depth at LB, and not so much at D-line. With this defensive line-up, I'd at least mix some 3-4 plays into the mix. Or maybe I just play too much Madden?
Posted by: EricH | Aug 15, 2009 10:07:18 PM
fanman, honestly, I really don't want to trade Marshall, But the fact of the matter is that we do need a Dt b/c our remaining DT are more suited to defend the pass rather than being run stuffers. We MUST obtain a run stuffer unless one of our current DT's is better than we realize. If trading either Marshall or Conner/johnson re-establishes us as a top tier defense, I say go for it. When your offense is centered around a superior RUNNING game, you MUST havea top tier defense.
Posted by: EricH | Aug 15, 2009 10:16:32 PM
Connor, is going to be one of the best LB's on the team,,there is no way you trade him...Johnson and Diggs would be a better combo..
Posted by: CatsnmbrOneFan | Aug 15, 2009 11:00:30 PM
Nah this is what you do. Johnson and a 4th round pick. Thing is...we dont really need Landon Johnson I mean I like him he has great character,but Jon beason, Thomas Davis Nail Diggs and Dan Connor those guys are excellent. Debateable of the best LB combo in the NFL. Also look to who the Titans let go they have like 3 pretty good DL.
Posted by: paulmack | Aug 15, 2009 11:24:40 PM
we made a pretty good trade for chris harris when minter couldn't go....i trust hurney and co will make a good move to sure that up for another playoff push
Posted by: rjk | Aug 15, 2009 11:32:16 PM
Pos. trade players: QB M. Moore/Mcowan, FB B. Hoover/Fiamato, WR D. Jarret, TE G. Barnidge/Rosario, LE T. Brayton, RE C. Johnson, OLB L. Johnson, OLB N. Diggs, RE J. Peppers, J. Delholme. Now heres whats cool think what players Browns could trade:
QB B.Quinn/D.Anderson, ROLB-RE K.Wimbley, DT C. Williams plus other positions to match a huge trade benefiting players and both teams. Peppers, Del Holme, D. Lewis, N. Diggs. for Wimbley, Quinn or Anderson, Williams and other players or draft picks. We get a ROLB that would be a 4-3 RE with 10+ sacks a year, A young QB with potential, and a DT proven in the 4-3. Peppers would play ROLB in Browns 3-4. Delholme could work with young QB or start, Lewis would fit well as a 3-4 DT, and Diggs would be a good MLB. Oh yeah Peppers only wants to play for 4 teams and Fox is in love with Delholme. Oh well too bad owners dont have control of personel.
Posted by: tarpanthercats | Aug 16, 2009 1:07:25 AM
I have to agree with Eric H on this one. Even though there is more depth at LB, I'm going out on a limb and am saying Marshall will be a better option for such a trade (especially since draft picks are a little scarce next year).
BTW, for the all the sellout jerk reporters who kept suggesting that the Panthers "gave up a future 1st rounder for Everette Brown," I hope they choke on chicken gizzards. The fact is that they traded the future first round pick for THIS YEARS SECOND & FOURTH ROUND PICKS! That was a brilliant move for at least a couple of reasons.
First of all, they were a little short on draft picks this year because of the way they aquired Jeff Otah in last year's draft. BTW, I was celebrating for days with that one. There was much criticism then, similar much like the tune we are hearing now about this trade, btw. Now who's the chump!?
Secondly, not only did they add two picks this year, but they ended up with first round talent with one of them, alas, making up for "loss of a first round pick." Again, that sentiment flares me up since they got fair trade value (and then some) for that pick...
...Let's not forget they were in a bind because Poopers did his "best to help the team out" this offseason, like he promised he would as soon as the season was over. What can I say, that guy has Carolina pride all the way--- (#%$@&!!!)!!! Naturally, Brown provided (and still does) a good insurance policy and some brilliant damage control.
Also, they got Mike Goodson with that other fourth round pick that everyone has been raving about. That really helps with the running game as well, since Double Trouble may be in a little trouble themselves recovering from last year's shoulder injuries. Goodson, as well publicised, can also help in the slot as well as special teams. ---------All that for the future 1st.
So yeah, it looks like THE EXPERTS nailed it again with their atypical anti-Fox rhetoric of trading away a future first rounder for the likes of Brown. Honestly, how do these guys even get paid (I mean in a traditional fashion through earned salaries from their employers through hard work, not this shady kickback system for not-ethical practices modern Americans are individually so proud of)?!?
Posted by: SYRPIS | Aug 16, 2009 1:28:43 AM
Oh yeah, the big difference here on defense is the "energy Ron Meeks brings to the team." No more Jenkins doing a half stretch... yawning... calling his boyfriend on the cell phone... giving up on the stretch and talking to the guy next to him... etc., etc. Finally, these guys are coming to work instead of coming to get paid! AND THAT WILL BE ALL THE DIFFERENCE THIS TEAM IS GOING TO NEED TO MAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. So "Big Kid" and his like--- good riddance! And whether Poopers sniffs a clue or not, I don't care. After what he has personally and individually done to this franchise (and the state of North Carolina) he can go play for the Cards for all I care. I won't miss him a bit.
Posted by: SYRPIS | Aug 16, 2009 1:34:26 AM
The Panthers will trade RB J. Stewart to the browns for corey Williams and Derek Anderson. U heard it first, watch.
Posted by: RC | Aug 16, 2009 2:32:45 AM
Authority, sorry but trading Marshall is dumb. Munnerlyn may not make the roster much less beig able to start in this league. The only players I can think of that we can trade that have some value and have other guys to take their spots are Vincent (Duke can take his spot) and Robinson (we have many that can do what he does). MAYBE Landon Johnson (Kelvin Smith could take his spot). Everyone else, I don't see how we can part with that has value and NOT suffer.
Posted by: Joshua (KillerKat) | Aug 16, 2009 3:46:51 AM
Sorry, EricH I mean. Im used to the message board style with the names a the top lol.
Posted by: Joshua (KillerKat) | Aug 16, 2009 3:48:24 AM
In need of a pick me up?
Check the highlights from the falcon-broncos game on nfl.com and whtch Colbert ruin Stafford first game. I would be really suprise if Colbert ever play a regular season game in the nfl again.
Posted by: Thorrez | Aug 16, 2009 4:49:24 AM
Wow now I have read it all. According to RC we are goingto trade 1/2 of our best running game ever?????????? What a stupid "fan" you must be. I guess you were a Dallas fan before they started sucking. There will be a trade but not Stewart!
Posted by: donotgetit | Aug 16, 2009 9:40:30 AM
Damn guys, I know this is just an informal medium, but can we at least attempt to have some grip on the English language? Some of these comments read like they are written by illiterate dumbasses!
Posted by: Bob | Aug 16, 2009 9:41:33 AM
Can we trade Jake please!!!
Posted by: panfan1 | Aug 16, 2009 10:46:27 AM
Trade Jake for Williams and let the water boy QB! Can't be any worse.
Posted by: StartMoore | Aug 16, 2009 11:22:35 AM
Some of you need to actually watch the game before you make idiot comments.
Jonathan Stewart for Corey Williams & Derek Anderson?
Do you have some sort of mental disability?
Oh yeah, that'd be a brilliant move, go ahead and throw on in ole Josh McCown as our starter.
But I guess your one of the same retards that was pissing themselves at the thought of the circus act known as Michael Vick coming here, too..
"OMG! 1 s4W Teh M1Cha3L V1cK 0n TeH E5PN!! H3 Mu5T b3 g000d!!!111oneoneone"
Posted by: PantherPerk | Aug 16, 2009 11:33:04 AM
I agree with the LB idea. not a starting CB.
Posted by: MBPantfan | Aug 16, 2009 12:12:57 PM
Joshua (KillerKat)-- You would really trade an experienced and solid member of the OL, where is one of our weakest points as far as depth is concerned, over a CB where depth actually may be ok? If you've paid any attention to training camp, Munnerlyn WILL be on our roster unless injured. The guy is just good. Can also help us in multiple areas. Let me reitterate that I like Marshall a lot. I'm just not sure where else on our team, other than LB, where we have the depth to trade a player that wouldn't kill us, and would still clear the necessary cap space. Maybe Landon Johnson would be a good alternative because I think he'd clear the cap space as well. We really DO NOT need to get rid of anyone from our OL. Especially a starter. As history shows, injuries will occur on the OL at some point(either short or long term) and we will need that depth there to be able to step in.
Posted by: EricH | Aug 16, 2009 12:40:36 PM
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