September 29, 2009
Postgame #Panthers observations
ARLINGTON, Texas -- A few things to think about over the next two weeks:
-- If it's possible for an 0-3 team to think this way, the Panthers might be able to take comfort in who they're playing their next three games -- at home after the bye week against Washington, at Tampa Bay and at home against Buffalo. If they're not favored in those three -- 0-3 teams seldom are -- they'll at least know they're in the soft spot of their schedule and might well be able to make up some ground.
-- Stopping the run needs to continue to be the team's priority in practice. The Cowboys ran for 212 yards, slicing througn an interior defensive line that has been revolving-door shaky all season. Two players -- Sunny Harris and Antwon Burton -- weren't with the team when the season began. Defensive backs were making a lot of tackles, never a good sign. And the defense wore down quickly in the second half, when the offense went four straight series without getting a first down.
-- Several players said they didn't care if they had a bye week or not, but if it means getting players like safety Chris Harris, defensive end Everette Brown and fullback Brad Hoover back, it's come at the right time.
-- The punt-coverage team again struggled, especially in the second half. The Cowboys' Patrick Crayton had four returns for a 14.5-yard average, but his two late in the game were for 27 and 17 yards. Both returns set up Cowboys scores. -- David Scott
Posted by Observer Sports on September 29, 2009 at 01:07 AM | Permalink
We HAVE a PUNT-COVERAGE TEAM!?! That's awesome, cause I was gonna suggest they should get one of those.
Posted by: mtnpanther | Sep 29, 2009 1:24:20 AM
Also, to address point #3, maybe it would have been better to eliminated all the stuff ya wrote after "Several players said they didn't care..." Might be the bast way to sum it up.
Posted by: mtnpanther | Sep 29, 2009 1:27:54 AM
These commies are not posting my stuff again! Your friends and family members are risking their lives to kill "a-rabs" so you can go to the beach on $10 worth of fuel instead of $20, meanwhile evoking nationalistic BS underlined with their version of "democracy" and "freedom", and I can't even get a simple post published with nothing offensive in it??? WHY ARE THEY SO SCARED OF PRINTING THE TRUTH!?! Communist Capitalism at its finest yet again!
...I usually copy my posts in so I can keep posting them over and over again until they go through but I got complacent and didn't do so this time. Anyway, on the third quarter post, before the analysts started in with their BS, I wrote:
They are going to cover Jake by leaving out the fumble he committed (as usual) and focusing only on one interception (the one they can blame on Smith. Even if that was the only turnover he committed, why did it throw it when there was nothing there anyway??? What, was Smith going to beat ten opposing players to get a first down??? What a joke.
I also pointed out how Meeks found the perfect spot for Poopers to line up on gameday... the sidelines. What does that scumbag have so far, two tackles in three games?? What is that, almost two million per tackle?
I also pointed out how they gave one of these jokers $20M guaranteed and the other the franchise tag at a ridiculous amount! Oh yeah, they also gave the golden boy Kasay a contract extension during the bye week last year when he still had more years on the original and others were waiting for extensions??? Then they make Gamble practically the highest paid DB in the NFL soon after that. He is good, but not that good. So what was the management's/ownership's message??? I think it must have to do something with lipstick and pigs if you ask me. AND NO I DON'T "GOTTA-WANNA-HAVE...!" In fact, I have been embarrassed by the whole thing for a while now and it only keeps getting worse! It gets really hard to call yourself a Panther fan around others who are not with this inexplicable insanity going on.
Look at the Packers! Publicly owned, they make prudent decisions with their players and they have for Panthers running their defense. And how about that defense? They (Capers, Greene and Trgovac) are dominating!
Posted by: SYRPIS | Sep 29, 2009 1:35:47 AM
SYRPIS, I feel sorry for you son but you are eat slam up with the dumbass.
Posted by: Jordy | Sep 29, 2009 5:03:07 AM
This loss sits on the shoulders of the coaches. They get a F for the game. We were running for great yardage in the first half, I think we ran the ball twice in the 3rd quarter and one was on a 3rd and long draw. Jake looked terrible, but the coaches should know better at this point than to put the ball in his hands when we can win the game on the ground. We were stopping Romo with blitzes and different looks and our D looked to drop into prevent for the second half. And Peppers was a complete no-show, can we yank the Franchise tag now? (I know we can't). We need to pull a Belichick and trade Pep for whatever we can get, even if its a pick in 2011.
Posted by: Ry | Sep 29, 2009 7:19:40 AM
Maybe its time to say OK we have to make changes now! Lets start getting Peppers ready for transfer to a team that will offer us enough #1 picks to get a QB such as Tebow or? That would take care of 2 of the problems. Cap and QB.
There are good Coaches out there i.e. Gruden who might be ready to make the heard decisions and perhaps could get them prepared to play weekly. This team is so inconsisitent and doesn't even look ready to play 60 minutes. 30 perhaps. Training!
Jerry wake up and make the appropriate moves please.
Posted by: Dror | Sep 29, 2009 8:13:34 AM
No Depth, No Depth, No Depth. Bad drafting and bad free agent signings are finally catching up with the Panthers.
Posted by: Scott Fitz | Sep 29, 2009 8:33:06 AM
When you get outcoached by Wade Phillips its time to go. Bring in Cowher now.
Posted by: Steve | Sep 29, 2009 8:34:55 AM
the way peppers is playing the team would be lucky to make a trade for a player from some other teams' practice squad!!!they should have let him leave during the off seasonPERIOD!!i saw richard seymours' wife in the gas station back in march and i told her to convince her husband to ask for a trade then!!i bet he wished he had!!!a losing team close to home is better than a losing team on the west coast!!
Posted by: specialc3632 | Sep 29, 2009 8:35:26 AM
Well, sorry fair weather fans, but I'm going to defend Jake again. Almost immediately after both interceptions, the ESPN announcers stated that neither one was Jake's fault, and we ALL know that ESPN never cuts the Panthers as a team nor an individual team member any slack. Bench Delhomme?--Let's review:
It was Jake's fault that we were pinned back around our own 10-15 yard line 90% of the time.
It was Jake's fault that our defender slammed a Cowboy to the ground after he was out of bounds, thus giving the Cowboys a 15- yard gain and kept the drive going.
It was Jake's fault that Mushin was not in the position he was supposed to be to catch the pass that was intercepted.
It was Jake's fault that Mushin was called for offensive pass interference, negating a 79-yard touchdown pass.
It was Jake's fault that Smitty got off his route (by his own admission), thereby creating the game-clinching interception/touchdown.
It was Jake's fault that the Cowboys ran for over 200 yards--why wasn't Jake out there stopping the running game!?!?!?!?!
The bad coaching was Jake's fault.
Yep, yep, yep--bench Delhomme, and all will be well! Grow up, people. Something's wrong with the Panthers' heart and soul, and that's not going to be corrected by benching a guy who loves his team and our city, and who pours all he has into every performance. Jake is only one man--he can't play all three phases of the game. He's got to get some help. Hopefully, after the bye, we can get some of our regulars healthy and playing again, we can catch some much deserved breaks, and move forward. In 2008, we played well, but we also caught some breaks, and ANY TEAM, regardless of their abilities, HAS to catch some breaks to win games. The Panthers shall return!!!! GO PANTHERS! GO JAKE!!!
Posted by: Panthergirl | Sep 29, 2009 9:29:31 AM
its funny how uninformed charlotte sports fans really are. if you look at the facts, delhomme played a pretty respectable game. you got a tiny CB vs. muhammed on a jump ball and moose does nothing. smith breaks off of a slant route and its an easy pick six. dante rosario trying to block ware was a joke. its hard to get any passing game going when your receivers (outside of smith on the early short stuff) aren't making plays and the running game isn't moving at all. when your gameplan is based around the run and you can't......you've already been beaten. the 79 yarder by moose called back still would have been a really solid 25 yard gain had he not pushed off and just caught the ball. the DB wasn't in position to make a play on that ball.
this isn't on jake. look at how bad his field position was all game. the defense really gave up 7 more points than it did on paper they just lucked up that jason garrett really is a funny guy.
Posted by: charlottean | Sep 29, 2009 9:39:22 AM
I dont know where to start with what I think is wrong with the team. I will leave that to you all folks who seem to know it all. All I know is that it f***ing hurts each time I see our offense go 3 and out and the other team getting a 1st down on 3rd and long.From what I saw yesterday, I can blame Fox, Delhomme, Meeks, Peppers even Godfrey
Posted by: PantherPride | Sep 29, 2009 9:46:45 AM
I'm really glad we traded our first round pick this year. If this crap keeps up, it would have easily been a top 10, maybe top 5 pick.
This team is bad.
Marty Hurney, please leave. No one will miss you.
Posted by: Kenwood Tiger | Sep 29, 2009 9:52:42 AM
It all boils down to one person. John Faux. He is HORRIBLE. My 92 year old grandmother could out coach this bum. Time and time again he makes a stupid play call and then sits back and gives excuses on why it did not work.
As I said the first week of preseason, this team has given up on this "coach". They do not listen to him at all. Fire this guy and give this team a chance to win.
Posted by: Fire-Fox! | Sep 29, 2009 9:58:36 AM
this is bad team with no coaching staffand no brains, cut the head off the top and the team will perform or they will next ,BAD DECISION IN MANAGEMENT IS SHOWING UP WILL GET WORSE BEFORE YOU FIND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS FOOTBALL///I AM PSL OWNER AND I WANT OUT JUST LIKE PEPPER DOES ONE TACKLE ONE MILLION DOLLARS WHAT A JOKE/////FOX AND HUREY OUT............
Posted by: boydsgrigg | Sep 29, 2009 10:02:44 AM
Let's face it:
The 3 key figures (Fox, Smith, Delhomme) are all living in the past. this isn't 3 years ago when teams underestimated SS and the panthers...Wake up guys!!! Maybe you don't watch film, but other teams do !!!!!!!
it's time to actually start to think about how to make plays rather than just say:"let's throw it to triple covered SS".
thank you and goodnight!
Posted by: fan from haiti | Sep 29, 2009 10:20:34 AM
This is the time for Change
Posted by: Telling It Like Is | Sep 29, 2009 10:23:28 AM
fox needs to go back to his kill or be kill coaching
Posted by: fgsd | Sep 29, 2009 10:30:09 AM
fox needs to go back to his kill or be kill coaching
Posted by: fgsd | Sep 29, 2009 10:30:11 AM
I agree with Panthergirl, we are all so eager to find goats when in my eyes, it just on John Fox, I usually defend him but this time I am beyond upset, it is not Jake's fault that they only decide to run the ball twice in the 3rd quarter. Its not Jake's fault that the offensive line commited penalties that caused 2nd and 3rd and longs all nite long. I am so tired of seeing creativity ONLY only one drive per game and thats it. Instead of celebrating being up 7-0 at the half the coaching staff needed to find a way to stop that HB Delay Draw Dallas ripped us up with much like NYG did last year, if this staff cant get this team prepared week in and week out then it is time to go, and I honestly feel that the Panthers team is ready for them to go too ie Beason's Anger and Frustration on the field I bet he was thinking WHY ARE WE NOT BLITZING!!!! Fox has to go this WEEK!
Posted by: Marvin | Sep 29, 2009 10:37:59 AM
First, it looks like the Panthers are in for a long season. Priority is who and what position needs to be addressed with this 2010 draft. Can you say franchise QB and WR. Second, Fox needs to go and 2 eligible names that need to be at the top of the list are Gruden and Cowher. This should be done immediately, Fox has lost the team, so terminate him now and get Gruden out of the Monday night gig! Third, the defense needs to go back to basics and learn how to tackle. Fourth, Peppers has let his ego go to his head, he needs to return some of the million dollars he makes per game. Finally, the team needs to find another WR to play. Get rid of Moose and USC puke!
Posted by: gaz | Sep 29, 2009 10:57:48 AM
Marvin, I agree with you...it's almost like the coaching staff says, "Okay, we're up 7 points--that's it for the night!" I was quite interested in the comment of one of the ESPN announcers after Romo tried the pass into the end zone that sailed over the receiver's head, and they had to settle for a field goal. The announcer said (or words to this effect), "The Panthers are down and injury-ridden...the Cowboys should have just rammed it down their throats and run for the touchdown." If the announcers had stated at the outset of the game, "GO COWBOYS, GO COWBOYS--CRUSH THE PANTHERS," their bias would not have been any more obvious.
Posted by: Panthergirl | Sep 29, 2009 11:13:46 AM
A 7-0 lead at halftime and the kickoff in the 2nd half and we fall flat on our face. That 1st drive was a key and a momentum shift. The play calling was horrible in the 2nd half. Our defense gives up too many yards and time off the clock giving our offense less time and opportunities to do something. I think Jake has done much better over the past two games. Our coaching staff is the problem. Fox was lucky that we were 12-4 last year otherwise he would have been gone then. Mr. Richardson needs to ride up I-85 and talk to Cowher today.
Posted by: JOHN | Sep 29, 2009 11:38:01 AM
Delhomme haters are deranged morons. He had a good game, given what the coaching staff gave him.
HORRIBLE game planning HORRIBLE preperations. And what the hell is with everybody ONLY going for the strip instead of TACKLING?!?!
Delhomme is alright at least this season, but for the love of all FIRE JOHN FOX.
Hurney has made mistakes, but what is it we are always complaining about? We dont PLAY TO OUR TALENT. Hurneys job is to get the talent, and his 8 straight first round successes (or relative successes like Gamble) are a reason to keep him sticking around. Its FOX. FIRE JOHN FOX!!!
Posted by: Gamble20 | Sep 29, 2009 11:43:33 AM
Fox is a well established and respected coach in this league who turned this team around in an era when a "bend but don't break" defensive philosophy and conservative play calling worked well. However, I think his philosophy may have run its course here. The defense has steadily gone down hill since the days of Jack Del Rio (last night's seemingly decent performance was more due to Dallas' penalties and ridiculous goal-to-go play calling). And most telling, his first choice for a D coordinator during the offseason was Ron Meeks from Indy. It's amazing how much better Indy's D is once the Tampa-2 "bend but don't break" went out the window.
I don't think we're going to get a solid coach in the middle of the season. No great coach would want to come in midstream and try to clean up someone's mess during a bye week. So, we'll have to wait until next year to see the real future coach. However, if we lose the next couple Fox could be out just to send a message.
And three comments on Jake:
1) neither interception was his fault. Moose was running off the coverage and drifted away from the play. Smith obviously changed his route. However, this is actually worse because it means that Jake has chemistry issues with his two favorite targets (not nececssarily his fault - likely more indicative of the practice squad's defense not matching what they see on gameday).
2) the fumble was his fault. But, he was trying to make stuff happen and that's when he fumbles. He played with great pocket sense up to that point.
3) Jake did check out of at least two runs during that ridiculous 3-and-out fiesta in the 3rd quarter. Remember: although most QB's don't call the plays, they all go to the line with at least two options depending on how the defense lines up. This is where Jake struggles - reading the pre-snap defense.
Regardless, Go Panthers. I'll cheer them on every game possible, even if we're 0-15 going into the final week.
Posted by: dave | Sep 29, 2009 12:05:12 PM
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