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December 28, 2009

No changes expected on Panthers coaching staff, Observer learns

Observer columnist Tom Sorensen just posted a blog saying general manager Marty Hurney, coach John Fox and the coaching staff all will be offered the opportunity to return next season and that no major changes or firings are expected this offseason.

Posted by Observer Sports on December 28, 2009 at 12:41 PM | Permalink


Obviously goes deeper than Fox. Lets start Jake to. I'm out..

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Dec 28, 2009 12:51:51 PM

Good news. The team is still playing even though there is no chance at the postseason, and that is the strongest indicator I can think of for the coaching. There has been too much good shown in the last four weeks to make any crazy changes, this franchise is too close to blow it up now with a new system.

Posted by: j | Dec 28, 2009 12:58:34 PM

Hey "Fox has to go".......thank goodness you are gone.......we don't need dirtbag haters anyhow.

Posted by: MajorLeague | Dec 28, 2009 1:02:16 PM

well, as I have read before where was these last two performance all year?? If fox has learned any lesson, I hope it was the last few weeks?? Richardson most know something we all don't so he's the boss. We'll see??

Posted by: joe | Dec 28, 2009 1:04:06 PM

Fox's main fault is not pulling Jake. If he sticks with Moore next year, I'm fine with Fox keeping his job.

Posted by: Mike | Dec 28, 2009 1:04:49 PM

Well see how you feel next year this time...
If you think this is a good thing, you have no clue what your looking at on Sundays.

This team is sparked by Moore, not what Fox has done. Tell me why Moore was 3rd string behind McCown. Why dooes Peepers want out? Why did Jenkins want out? Why did fox stay so long with a washed up Davis and take so long to start Williams over Foster.

He cannot evaluate talent.
You sit here over the past season and can see we need Jake to be benched and he(fox) doesn't. This is the coach that you want to keep. Nuff Said...

Not a hater, Just Realistic.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Dec 28, 2009 1:12:17 PM

I am glad Fox is staying. I do feel like we are close to being a consistent top tier team. I hope Fox has had his eyes opened that change is not always bad. He has a good football philosophy and good people around him as we have seen the last couple of games. He has to make sure that we have the right people in place to be effective. Thanks for the excitement ending the season and I look forward to 2010.

Posted by: cheerman23 | Dec 28, 2009 1:13:37 PM

Peppers sorry.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Dec 28, 2009 1:14:41 PM

Cut Jake and I will live with this. If Jake starts next year I am done. I don't care how many biscuits he sells.

Posted by: kevin | Dec 28, 2009 1:16:57 PM

Crossman has to go. The rest of the staff can remain together but Crossman has been awful for a long time.

Posted by: Steve | Dec 28, 2009 1:56:52 PM

I think its the only move. Big Cat is paying 6 million to Foxy anyway, might as well make him work for it. I forgive him for not pulling Jake after the Buffalo game. He at least acknowledged that a change at QB might be necessary, he just couldn't bear to cut Jake's umbilical cord for good. Moore should be named the starter for next season.

Posted by: Evan | Dec 28, 2009 2:35:28 PM

I agree somewhat with the poster "fox has to go" Not saying that Coach Fox should leave this year, but maybe they need to answer the questions he just asked....

Why did Jenkins leave?

Why does Peppers want to leave?

Why leave your playmakers on the beach, because you have a love affair with another player?

I'm not disecrediting anything Jake has done for Carolina, but WE all know he should have been pulled long before he was...and he wasnt pulled he was (injured)? (Small miracles)

Decisions like this dont win you Superbowls, and their isnt a player anywhere that doesnt want to be on a team that gives you that chance...

Carolina didnt this year...Just saying!!

Posted by: Jennifer | Dec 28, 2009 2:37:53 PM

We, the fanbase, have gained NOTHING by the two wins over Vikings and Giants. Our playmakers still want out, our offense will still be yawn inspiring, and our defense will continue in a bend and don't break strategy. Yeah, we will win SOME games and lose games - "it is what it is" attitude for a contract extension to guarantee coach his $$$, plus the inepititude and medocrity for another year. FOR ONCE, I wish the Panthers would cut bait at and not make the has been's rich while on the downward edge of the top.

Posted by: Kevin | Dec 28, 2009 2:59:37 PM

Hurney and Fox have both said that Jake is their man. Hurney said he felt the same about him as he did before putting him on IR. Mr. Richardson PLEASE release Jake next Monday.

Posted by: kevin | Dec 28, 2009 3:21:34 PM

Next year the Panthers will have a good year because they will play a soft schedule as a result of our crappy record this year. After that, Fox will get another year. Than the next season, when we have a tough schedule again, we will stink.

I love the Panthers, and you can call me a hater if you want, but this is the pattern that the team has had every year that Fox has been the coach.

Posted by: FireFox | Dec 28, 2009 4:04:34 PM

You are right FireFox.

Posted by: kevin | Dec 28, 2009 4:08:38 PM

If Jake had not "broke" his knuckle Fox would not have let Moore play. "Dalehomme gives us the best chance to win". This should have been enough for Richardson to fire Fox. I guess he cares more about the check book than the team and fans.

Posted by: kevin | Dec 28, 2009 4:10:30 PM

Is that what happened? The playmakers were left on the beach? I would want to leave the Panthers too lol, just kidding. It's funny how so many people leave comments on here that would make the world greener, the wind softer and the water fresher. Give it up guys and gals (I take it Jennifer is a female) you're only frustrating yourselves. Everything you state is true and pretty obvious, but nothing will change. We will probably have a good season next year because that's John Fox football. Up down up down. Once you all realize that, then you will learn to appreciate him for what he is worth.

All of your ideas sound good on paper but when you're dealing with real money, real people (this isn't madden 2010), and real teams you can't just say I'm tired of losing now it's time to win. Don't you think the Raiders, Rams, Lions and Chiefs would be more competitive by now? A coach, like a player, is an investment. You're gonna try to get your money's worth. Once you see it won't get better and you're losing too much, you move on. Like so many Jake supporters have stated, this season has been a fluke season for him. You can't blame a coach for holding on to what he believes is best for the team (he didn't have us kicking 70 yard field goals so I can bare his faults).

I too believe Jake should have been out after the Dallas loss. But I wasn't and am still not 100% sure that Moore is the answer. What will you guys say if Moore has a Jake-like season to start next season and Jake goes back to being good Jake, or even 07 Jake when his TD to INT ratio was 8 to 1? So many things can happen during the course of a season and/or during the course of a coaches tenure. NYkers wanted the Giants to get rid of Coughlin, he stayed and they won a SuperBowl.

'Nuff rambling... My point is let it go and enjoy having a team to cheer for not named the Rams, Chiefs, Raiders, Lions, Seahawks or Browns lol. Panthers were average this year, at least we always have hope and are a team that can look forward to next season.

Posted by: Simon Says | Dec 28, 2009 4:23:50 PM

Cowher versus Fox (and I thought FOX should have been canned up till last two weeks, especially for stubborness on Delhomme, but hey, tell our GM and owner to wake up, it took owners intervention on Young in Tenn. so why can't ours have a say on his own team?)

Overall OFF points rank Cowher (career/8 years) /// FOX = 15 (14th)/18th.

Def points 7.3 (6.8)/ 10.25th

Win Pct .623 (60%) / .551%

Div/Conference/Super 5div +1AFC +1wildcard (no super win) // 3 Div + 1 NFC

Playoff Win Pct .571% // .625%

Not a huge difference, Cowher replaced Chuck Noll's 9-7 and 7-9 teams and went 11-5 his first year then 9-7 with 2 playoff losses.
Fox replaced George Seifert who ran Panthers into the ground and followed 7-9 and 1-15 with 7-9 and 11-5 with 3-1 playoff record.

So maybe we should give Fox another year, the most stable franchise long term are with coaching longevity, i think Fox is stubborn, lacks creativity on offense that would not be hard to get (hire Charlie Weis, hate him to but, as Off Consultant) FIRE special teams coach, make Matt Moore starter and ask Jake to be second team or retire on his own (offer injury settlement)

Posted by: isaiah | Dec 28, 2009 4:42:43 PM

Simon Says
I do blame Fox for being INSANE(what the definition)

What is really simple is fox has had A Solid core of players for 5 years and has not been able to do more than this. As much talent as the Elite teams not the ones mentioned above.

These are hopes that Fox will do these things and he has not done the obviuos yet.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Dec 28, 2009 5:03:24 PM

Simon Says....

1st) yes I am definitely all female...

2nd) making the world greener, the wind softer and the water fresher, almost made me forget we were talking about Football..

3rd) I haven't said fire Coach Fox....I agree with you, sometimes the grass isn't always greener on the other side and even if it tended to be, imagine the comments next year, trying to get acclimated to yet another coaching philosophy..

4th) What I have said is this....Being Stubborn doesn't win you games either, no matter how much you think of what some would call Fox's golden boy, he should have been benched, long before the infamous knuckle break...

Am I saying Jake hasn't been one hell of a player for the Panther organization? NO...but this year I don't care what you say, fluke year or not, his arm wasn't what it has been, is that because of the surgery? I don't know...All I know is every player on that squad, wants to be giving the best chance, to win a Superbowl and Carolina doesn't have that right now....
Does that mean, I'm not a fan, NO, probably one of the most loyal of Panther fans you will post with...and youre right, imagine being in Cleveland, Detriot, etc...however when you see somethings broken, you try to fix it....What the (it) is...will be up to Richardson and CO...

Ps...If you are truly a Panther fan, being frustrated, is nothing compared to the happy dance, that Ive been doing since last week against the Vikes and yesterdays game against the Giants....Obviously something has changed...Just Saying!!

Posted by: junipher | Dec 28, 2009 5:39:33 PM


Posted by: djack1586 | Dec 28, 2009 6:46:40 PM

It may just be me, but I feel like this late season surge against quality teams only makes the argument for Fox to be gone that much stronger. Do not get me wrong he has taken a very unstable organization and helped build it into an organization where every year we expect to make the playoffs and a lot can be said for that. But there comes a time when one person can only build an organization so far and I believe Fox has hit his wall. He stuck with Delhomme for two seasons too long and all year this year never gave anyone else a chance to dethrone him. His dedication to Delhomme and extremely conservative mindset is something that has frustrated 95% of Panther fans. If Cowher were to come in next year I think we would still have a great chance if not an expectation to make the playoffs the first year. He takes more risk and he would being in more offensive threats to make the offense more exciting to watch and also give us more chances to win. Fox may have a 70-65 record with the panthers and he did take over a 1-15 team, but if he were a better talent evaluator just think what his record could be. If he weren’t so conservative just think what his record could be. If Fox could find a way to get Smith the ball more often just think what his record could be.

At the end of the day, thank you John Fox for raising expectations in Carolina and thank you for the memories! You are a class act and you have never been accused of being dishonest in any way. But it’s time for a change in Charlotte. We need a new energy and we need someone who has a dedication to the area and will rejuvenate the fan base.

You could go on for days about what this organization needs in a head coach and all points point to Cowher.

Posted by: djack1586 | Dec 28, 2009 6:54:56 PM

I don't doubt that those who post are fans by any means. Also, I didn't disagree with anything anyone mentioned. In fact I said that everything I've read is very true. What I do say is that, and this goes to you 'fox has to go!!', changing coaches doesn't automatically equal success. We haven't been bottom feeders by far, middle of the pack yes, but Fox has also been working with young players.
Trust that Richardson knows what's going on. He saw George Seifert was not getting the job done and he acted on it. I'm sure he see's what we see, but knows whats best for the team.

As far as coach Fox is concerned, I do agree he has made mistakes. Plenty of them. Kept players too long, let players go to soon. Point is he hasn't been the worst coach in the league. Maybe not the most exciting lol, but he is not as bad as he seems. If Delhomme had a reverse season to the one he's had this year, Fox and his job would be a non-issue. So the only gripe we can have on him is his stubbornness to stick with Delhomme as long as he has.

fox has to go!!

Let me remind you of an not only an "ELITE" team but also "America's Team". It took Bledsoe to get hurt for the Patriots to become the Patriots of today AND once again it took Bledsoe to get hurt for Romo to be discovered. Nobody questioned Belichek or Mr. Tuna for not starting them earlier.
QB gets hurt= New QB playing and playing well, sound familiar? If so, let me remind you that both of those coaches are considered two of the all-time greats.

So, is John Fox a QB away from being one of the greats? Well, we shall see. Sit back, relax and let's look forward to next season and all of the hope we do have unlike many other teams.

Ps... Whatever anyone wants to say to argue any point I make let me just say now that yes I see your point and I do understand your frustrations.

Posted by: Simon Says | Dec 28, 2009 9:43:00 PM


I like to run a 3-4 Defense, the only D-lineman you have that I would want to play for me in that is Keau. The only linebacker you have I would want to play for me in that is Peppers. So please, why do you think I could take the Panthers to the Playoffs when I love defense and I would have to rebuild yours to fit my style.

Posted by: William Laird "Bill" Cowher | Dec 28, 2009 9:50:13 PM

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