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January 06, 2010

Comparing philosophies of Fox, Holmgren

The speculation linking Carolina coach John Fox to Cleveland is interesting, but here are a couple of things worth considering:

-- Fox is from the Chuck Noll school of coaching. He believes in a strong running game and a tough defense, and sees a strong correlation between the two sides of the ball.

-- New Browns president Mike Holmgren, former coach of the Packers and Seahawks, is from the Bill Walsh school of coaching, featuring a West Coast passing attack.

Could the two find a way to make their different styles co-exist, especially if Holmgren still wants to have a say in the offense?

Not so sure about that. It could mean Fox has to defer to Holmgren's style of offense and forego his own. That would seem to be a huge concession for a man who believes as strongly in his philosophy as Fox.

Keep in mind that Fox has some definite thoughts about how he believes an offense should be run. He hasn't exactly been "hands-off" on that side of the ball, whether the coordinator was Dan Henning or Jeff Davidson.

Certainly, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out if Holmgren dismisses current Browns coach Eric Mangini, but it would be a significant surprise if the replacement turns out to be Fox.

-- Charles Chandler

Posted by Observer Sports on January 6, 2010 at 06:03 PM | Permalink


whatever wont happen... and if it does bring in cowher... fox was lucky to get another year and he's prolly just using the browns job as leverage (pretty badly) to get an extention. call his bluff... he'll be coaching here in 2010... GAR-RON-TEEED.

Posted by: matt s | Jan 6, 2010 6:11:53 PM

This is a stupid article. Period. Fox will not be going to Cleveland. Why would he want to? Cleveland compared to Charlotte for quality of life style, especially with kids. No comparison. Cleveland compared to Charlotte as far as a football franchise? No comparison. Fox will remain in Carolina this year. Next year he will have his choice of teams to be a head coach, and without Holmgren's interference.

Posted by: DRR | Jan 6, 2010 6:16:54 PM

Like I said in the other thread, this would never happen, except in Cleveland's dreams

Posted by: Nick | Jan 6, 2010 6:46:32 PM

We need Fox to stay. He built this team and if we get another coach right now we are rebuilding for the next 2-3 years. Can you Fox haters deal with that? Cowher = Fox in his coaching style guys. Cowher has 1 SB in 15 years, repeat, 15 years. If we keep Fox for another 7 he will have a SB. We haven't finished worse than 7-9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON PEOPLE SMELL THE COFFEE.

Posted by: Y0 | Jan 6, 2010 6:56:36 PM

I am so incredibly sick of hearing about these people chanting 'I want Cowher' like they're drugged on some sort of roofie at a Jim Jones convention. Good Lord people, it took him 15 years to win a Super Bowl!!! The philosophies between the two are almost identical. I don't understand what makes this guy so enticing. How long did Cowher coach before he found a quarterback? How many times did he fail at even getting to a super bowl? It took him 10 seasons to get back to one, and finally win it. Somehow you people think just by having him here, we'll just be automatically an elite team. BS. Changing coaches will set this team back longer than giving it more time. We do need a QB, and if Fox is guilty of anything, it's not making a change sooner. I'd say based on this constant need for Cowher, it sounds like what you'd really prefer to do is orally please Mr. Cowher than see him as our Head Coach. Go back to Football 101.

Posted by: Bill | Jan 6, 2010 6:57:02 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... how much justification in the junk they print does this tabloid need! Wow. How pathetic.

Posted by: SYRPIS | Jan 6, 2010 7:11:44 PM

HE'S A HEAD COACH!! You expect not to "have a hand" in what his coordinators are doing???? Idiots.

Posted by: SYRPIS | Jan 6, 2010 7:13:14 PM

Sound like a bunch of battered women in here. A few weeks ago it was "get rid of Fox"! Now that the scars have healed, everyone thinks "he's not so bad. Has a few flaws, but he'll change". Yeah, that usually works out pretty well.

Posted by: Rudeboyardee | Jan 6, 2010 7:18:23 PM

I'm tired of hearing keep Fox.. Have any of you considered Fox is the one evaluating the talent and he was the one who stuck with Jake and did not bench him he got "Hurt". So had Jake not got hurt would we have won these last games?

Do all of you think, all of a sudden Foxies eyes are opened and his ability to evaluate the QB position is different? So are we going to piss away one more year before we get a new set of eyes(coach).

Jake is not going to be "Hurt" next year. He is going to compete for the starter position. With some Bias toward Jake from Fox.

If he(fox) is here, I can only hope we don't add a wasted year to that 2-3 years after a new coach arrives.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Jan 6, 2010 7:34:18 PM

I know it's foxes decision.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Jan 6, 2010 7:37:40 PM

Fox doesn't have it in him to have a winning season in '10. I'd like to see if he can make this team go all the way, including the postseason.

Like parents speaking to their children, yelling at them gets you nowhere! Also, conveying a "chinnish-like" attitude toward your players doesn't prove anything. If decision making at certain times are an issue, you surely hope someone on the team would step up and express their concern and change would happen.

Posted by: Dr PhilUp | Jan 6, 2010 8:15:35 PM

fox has to go!! - Yeah, you're right. Getting a head coach that will just change the QB position and not be pro-Jake is the solution here. Certainly there couldn't be much more to sending these team to a winning season... LOL!

Posted by: Bill | Jan 6, 2010 8:30:50 PM

Bill where have you been?
I have been all over this. Fox not benching Jake earlier is the only mistake these people who want fox to stay, say he made.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Jan 6, 2010 8:49:44 PM

Can we send Jake, Davidson and the qb coach with him. They make quite a group.

Posted by: kevin | Jan 6, 2010 8:56:03 PM

I'm not coming unless I can bring KStew with me! He will give us the best chance of winning!

Posted by: Bill Cowher | Jan 6, 2010 8:56:59 PM

Who has the man crush on Jake? Is it Jerry or John?
Wonder if Jerry will take Fox and Jake back up to Lake James this off season?

Posted by: kevin | Jan 6, 2010 8:58:21 PM

Since 2003 Superbowl. The Talent we had and we were nicknamed the "Caridac Cats" was an insult.
We should have crushed the teams we almost lost to, thanks to fox's conservative "take what they give" approach. Wait till we are behind to start opening up the play book.

True to this day the only adjustments made in game are whether to open playbook up or shut it down(both new orleans games this season) based on the score.

Posted by: fox has to go!! | Jan 6, 2010 9:02:20 PM

Matt S, where is your logic in claiming Fox is using the Browns' situation as leverage? You are about as amazing as our vaunted Observer sportswriters! And you spell about as well, too!

Posted by: CatMan | Jan 6, 2010 9:04:12 PM

fox has to go!! Since you seem to have all of the answers, why don't you give Jerry a call and apply for either or both of Fox and Hurney's jobs? Oh, I'm sorry, Jerry doesn't take idiots seriously!

Posted by: CatMan | Jan 6, 2010 9:07:49 PM

I'm pretty sure it was widely reported that Richardson was interested in Matt Ryan the year he was drafted, so I'm not sure where all of the "Richardson loves Jake" talk comes from. I think he just didn't want to be a meddlesome owner. Also, Jake and a defensive minded coach can make any OC and QB coach look bad. Fox may have the skills to build a team, but he can't get them much further. Hire him as a GM if you must keep him.

Posted by: Rudeboyardee | Jan 6, 2010 9:09:42 PM

There is a lot more to it that simple playcalling. And more people are involved in this thing, than just Fox. And this is the NFL. Insane just how competitive it is. We have a good organization, people. It takes a lot to get where we all want this team to go. Let's not forget there were other teams who were dominant last year that didn't measure up. Should all those coaches be fired and replaced with Cowher, Gruden, etc?

Posted by: Bill | Jan 6, 2010 9:12:10 PM

Why would fox not use the browns situation as leverage? He's owed 6mil and seems to be somewhat in demand. If he has a good season next year, he'll get big bucks. If not, other teams will likely still pursue his services. Do you give him an extension now or risk him going to another team or risk having to pay more to keep him. Fox is in a great position right now regardless.

Posted by: Rudeboyardee | Jan 6, 2010 9:19:20 PM

The panthers have never been dominant. Which teams are you referring to? And don't say the Steelers.

Posted by: Rudeboyardee | Jan 6, 2010 9:23:15 PM

You guys are so retarded. Fire Fox? NO WAY! "Fox cost us the season continuing to play Jake" oh stfu. Can you name ANY other SEASON changing mistakes? NO.

Dear lord, look at Fox's record in the draft. Some of you say he and hurney are horrible... for what?! JSUT because of giving Jake an extension when he was due well over 10 million in a cap strapped offseason? They had no choice either way. You don't just cut him and then try to find a QB. Jake led us to a 12-4 season, all logic says extend the contract to give us breathing room. 12 million prorated over 5 seasons is far less. This is COMMON SENSE!

Bad drafts? Gross, Peppers, Stewart, Williams, Davis, Gamble, Beason, Otah, Kahlil, Goodson, Munnerlyn. These are all either first round picks that have been great (by the way Fox has NEVER had a bust first rounder. NEVER. NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE can say that) or sleepers that have become big contributors.

Posted by: Gamble20 | Jan 6, 2010 10:32:08 PM

It's not easy to find a star QB. Having a star QB is THE ONLY WAY to be a dominant team every year. And even with that the stars need to align.

Think about it. Fox has been to the conference games and a divisional and never been worse than 7-9 with Jake Delhomme and Matt Moore (or sometimes Vinny Testeverde) as his starting QB. What does that tell you?

Shanahan (who is the only coach I wanted to replace Fox, now that he's gone NO WAY) won how many superbowls when Elway left? How bout Holmgren when he didn't have Favre? How bout Dungy before he inherited Manning? Belichick before Brady?

Am I saying its impossible? No. My point is its near impossible especially in modern football to be 11-5+ every season. Only the Colts and Patriots and for the most part the Eagles have actually accomplished that. 3 out of 32 teams for the last 10 years. That tells you something. If Fox had a great QB we could be the dynasty. Is it his fault for not looking? Yes. Absolutely. But if anything, i think this year has shown Fox why he needs a great QB, and we may have found one in matt moore or we may go out and pick another this year via free agency or the draft. Fox will learn form this season and be even better.

Posted by: Gamble20 | Jan 6, 2010 10:37:06 PM

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