March 04, 2010
Marshall tender could generate action
Others got more money, but none of the Panthers RFA tenders made quite the statement as the one received by CB Richard Marshall.
Tendered at the second-round level of $1.759 million, Marshall’s making a nice raise over last year ($535,000), but far from what he’s looking for. Fact is, he’s been in search of a payday for several years. His former agent, Steve Feldman, once boasted that Marshall was going to get the biggest defensive back contract in the league when he hit free agency, and that was before Marshall was even a starter. But with the uncapped year rules in place, Marshall’s stuck with restricted status this spring. Of course, the fact Marshall fired Feldman in the past year and signed on with noted deal-maker Drew Rosenhaus also speaks to his desire for more coin.
It’s not that the Panthers don’t like him, it’s just that it’s unlikely they’re looking to pay two premier corner contracts. With Chris Gamble ringing the bell to the tune of six years, $53.5 million in 2008, it’s hard to imagine them giving out an equivalent (or bigger) contract to Marshall.
If they’d have tendered him at the first-round level of $2.521 million, it’s extremely unlikely another team would have made an offer. This way, the Panthers have the opportunity to match whatever deal Rosenhaus comes back to them with, or get something in return if it’s too rich.
And considering how thin the cornerback market is, it’s reasonable to think Marshall could get some play from another team. Beyond Houston’s Dunta Robinson and New England’s Leigh Bodden, there’s a scarcity of starting-caliber corners out there.
Tendering Marshall lower than anticipated also explains their decision to use a tender at all on reserve corner C.J. Wilson. Could they have kept a guy who played only seven games as a special teamer for less than $1.101 million? They could have. But that would have left them dangerously thin at the position, with just Gamble, Captain Munnerlyn and former practice-squader Marcus Walker on the roster.It’s also important to note that Ron Meeks’ Tampa 2-style defense isn’t as dependent on top-shelf corners as other systems, so they could get away with a lesser coverage player as long as he’s smart and a sure tackler. They once went to the Super Bowl playing a lot of Tampa 2 with Reggie Howard and Terry Cousin on the corners, so it can be done with cheaper help.
— Darin Gantt
Posted by Observer Sports on March 4, 2010 at 09:40 AM | Permalink
I hate that the Panthers are running things on the cheap now. Depressing.
Posted by: james reed | Mar 4, 2010 9:57:24 AM
Remember Marshall plays all special teams and saves alot of touchdowns as the last man in Defense, He is a fan friendly player (ask my Daughter and her Football and Pictures with him) and they need to keep him because he plays with heart which you can't teach.... Excellent speed and has a knack for finding turnovers......
Posted by: Tripp Mcneill | Mar 4, 2010 10:15:49 AM
@ james reed
Marshall isn't worth a 1st round pick. Please named a team who would surrender a 1st rounder for a 1st yr starter in Marshall.
Marshall is a good player, but he wants Chris G money. Not worth it, especially just starting. Hes a #2 CB at best, not #1.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 10:17:25 AM
I like the move. You can always keep him by matching, but you have the option of getting a draft pick if you feel that the cost is too high.
The sad part is they have no depth at BD, and will obviously have to draft one. this may very well make this move a wash.
Posted by: Local | Mar 4, 2010 10:17:28 AM
@ Tripp Mcneill
Its a good move to tender Marshall for this yr and if he does really well, sign him longterm. But not Chris G money.
We can't just sign him longterm when he has just became a full-time starter. He brings intensity and passion at his postion, we can't lose him this yr.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 10:27:08 AM
Panthers have 7 days to match or better any offer Marshall was to get. Don't worry folks he aint going anywhere.
Posted by: PantherJon | Mar 4, 2010 10:28:04 AM
I hope you are right Josh.
Posted by: Tripp Mcneill | Mar 4, 2010 10:45:30 AM
If say the Lions(who are in desperate need at corner) were to offer him a contract, I wonder if the panthers would consider matching if they can get the number 34 pick in the draft in exchange?
Posted by: Interesting | Mar 4, 2010 10:50:23 AM
@ Tripp Mcneill
All Im saying is, why paid Marshall shutdown CB money, when its only his 1st yr playing full time.
Marshall will get his money, but not shutdown CB money. Nobody isn't going to offer him that type of money in FA, knowing its his 1st yr playing full time.
I don't get why everyone keep saying Jerry Richardson is a cheap owner. If he was, he never would have offer Juilus P the highest paid defensive player EVER. When having the suckest season of his career.
Also overpaiding Jake D, when he didn't even deserve that much money.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 11:00:07 AM
I would be okay with the lions 34 pick. Captain looked good at times last year and we can always draft depth late in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Posted by: Corey Dimmette | Mar 4, 2010 11:06:59 AM
@ Corey Dimmette
I wouldn't mind having the Lions 34th pick. But Captain M isn't ready to take over the #2 CB spot.
Marshall is as good than Captain M. Don't get me wrong, Captain M has potential but he just not ready let.
The Panthers never had 2 good consistent CB in Marshall and Gamble. Reggie Howard, Ricky Manningham and Terry C were avg. They benefited from having a great DLine in 03 becuz they gotten lots of pressure on QBs with ease.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 11:15:30 AM
Guys the Tampa 2 (as the article points out) really doesn't need great corners. You always need good players but in the Tampa 2 all the corners do is maybe jam at the line and/or stop him from breaking to the outside. After 10-15 yards they drop off and let the safety take him. Often times this is why in a Tampa 2 defens receivers get open on the outside, because that's where the WR is one on one. That is not a flaw it's by design. If st. Louis or Detroit or KC signs him it'd be like having s really low first rounder, will cost MUCH less and for a 4-5 year contract. Plus we avoid the risk of over paying Marshall. There's a risk the pick flops but say what you want about Hurney, but he nails his first picks almost every time.
Posted by: Gamble20 | Mar 4, 2010 12:00:13 PM
Great Post. I haven't thought about it like that.
Lets just hope either the Rams, Cheifs, Lions, or the Raiders signs him and give us their low 2nd rounder.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 12:11:46 PM
I love Richard Marshall. We gave the money to the wrong guy. I am not saying he is Revis or Bailey material, but I bet if you polled panther fans and guys in the locker room they would take him over Gamble strait up. Chris is ok but he can't lock down his best side of the field much less a probowl reciever. Richard Marshall has exceeded all expectations everytime the bar is raised. I hope he goes somewhere that will allow him to use his great football instincts, somewhere that will actually call a corner blitz. His physcal nature is not used in this cushion coverage defense. Except as someone noted to chase people down from the back.
Posted by: hamptonhowle | Mar 4, 2010 12:17:53 PM
Alot of great comments in here. Can't believe these are the same people posting the rediculous comments about Moore's tender
Posted by: carson m | Mar 4, 2010 12:34:50 PM
I think you meant Ricky Manning Jr. The only Manningham I know of is Mario Manningham the WR for the Giants.
This looks like a fishing expedition to see who bites and then decide on pay a good corner or cut bait for a high 2nd rounder.
Posted by: heelzrule | Mar 4, 2010 12:39:56 PM
@ james reed
I really don't see the Panthers doing anything here on the cheap, all 32 teams are going to be cautious with this season. Looks like the tenders offered here are inline with others around the league.
Posted by: heelzrule | Mar 4, 2010 12:43:58 PM
I too miss the old days when we played bump and run smash mouth coverage, but, I disagree that Marshall is beter than CG. Gamble is far from a "shut-down" corner and often lives up to his surname when 'gambling' on jumping routes. That said, if you look at the film from the '09 season you will see that alot of teams looked away from CG's side of the field which gave RM the plays to shine as a very competent CB2.
Posted by: heelzrule | Mar 4, 2010 12:51:43 PM
Im not even a Panters fans. But Gamble is more than good, i would take Gamble over Houston or Grimes anyday on my team.
Like i said before, who in the h#ll is going to paid Marshall shutdown CB money whos just became a fulltime starter.
Wow to say that Gamble hasn't shutdown any WR is BS. When he plays Roddy W and Marques C, he shuts them down.
Also before Ron M became y'all DC, was Ken L, Richard M, and Charles G getting torch by Larry F and #2 WR during the 2nd half of 08 season.
While Chris G was shutting Brandon M, Greg J, and any good Wrs that yr, he sure did.
Both of them are good, but to say that Gamble is just a ok CB is BS. When teams wasn't throwing at Gamble, who did they pick on Marshall, not Gamble.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 12:55:42 PM
Why do u think opposing team best WRs move away from Gamble, becuz they respect the h#ll out of him with his coverage skills.
When my Falcons play ur Panthers, Gamble allow a few catches now then when coveraging Roddy W man to man.
I agree y'all should go back to play bump and run smash mouth coverage. That what made Gamble get so many pick early in his career.
But to say that Marsahll is better CGambles is BS.
Posted by: joshsmith | Mar 4, 2010 1:06:42 PM
Does anyone think Darin Scott is wearing Dracula fangs? Check out that pic!!!
Posted by: Ed | Mar 4, 2010 2:09:30 PM
Chris Gamble????? Not sure if anyone of you have watched him play but he sucks. Why do you think our pass coverage was one of the worst in the league? He likes to sit back let them catch the ball and then come running in with a heavy blow. Well thats good you made the tackle but he still caught the ball and gained the yards.
Posted by: twifu | Mar 4, 2010 2:16:58 PM
If you think Gamble sucks your just a moron I'm sorry.
He shut down moss, he shuts down R. White (EVERY TIME), shuts down Colston, he shut down Brandon Marshall, he shut down greg Jennings (when he used to be good), he shut down Sidney Rice. I mean how many more players does he have to play to prove himself?
AM I saying he's freakin Champ Bailey or Darrell Revis? No of course not. Bailey may be the best DB of all time (some would argue) and Revis looks jsut as good and half the age. But Gamble is no doubt one of the best corners is football.
Posted by: Gamble20 | Mar 4, 2010 4:13:27 PM
As a Falcons fan
I guess y'all having the 4th rank pass defense is 1 of the worst in football to u?
Gamble allowed 2 tds in 08 and 09. Thats 4 tds allowed the last 2 yrs. Which is fewest among with Nnamdi A, Darrelle R, and Champ B in those 2 yrs.
Give me Gamble over Chris H or Brent G on my team anyday. (I bet ur secondary would be even more horrible than u say ur secondary is right now.)
Posted by: josh smith | Mar 4, 2010 6:33:01 PM
I love it....
Posted by: Huskers86 | Mar 4, 2010 6:39:10 PM
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