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May 30, 2010

Panthers have a lot of work before '11

    Our story this morning centered on the Panthers' out-of-character frugality this offseason, and runs down several reasons why.

    But if the Panthers let all their current contracts ride without addressing extensions this year, they’re going to have a pile to do when/if a new CBA kicks in. Here’s a partial list of the players on the current roster who could be unrestricted free agents after the coming season (assuming the four-year threshold for that status remains):

    QB Matt Moore — Now that he's a starter, he could make a huge financial leap with even a solid season, up from the $3.043 million he's making now.

    RB DeAngelo Williams — The convoluted "30 percent rule," makes it hard to pay him now, and the presence of Jonathan Stewart creates a debate as to how much they should spend to keep the position stocked.

    WR Dwayne Jarrett — A prove-it year for the former second-rounder. If he fails this year, he can no longer blame others.

    TE Jeff King — A solid citizen and contributor, the kind they've always kept around (think Nick Goings, Brad Hoover).

    C Ryan Kalil — Would be hard to franchise-tag because of his position, and set to get rich after making his first Pro Bowl.


    DE Charles Johnson — Finally gets chance to deliver on the potential he's flashed, as the initial replacement for Julius Peppers.

    DTs Tank Tyler, Louis Leonard and Ed Johnson — They're throwing numbers at the position, but they're all up after this year. Whoever emerges among them stands to cash in.

    LB Thomas Davis — Coming into his own as a player and a locker-room leader, he's playing nice but deserves to get paid.

    LBs James Anderson and Jamar Williams — Not indispensable pieces, but you'd think they'd want to keep one of them for the future.

    CB Richard Marshall — His future likely lies elsewhere. They've spent on Chris Gamble already, and with so many other concerns, they might not be able to pay him what he wants.

— Darin Gantt

Posted by Observer Sports on May 30, 2010 at 08:50 AM | Permalink


Keep Williams no matter what. Stewart is still a question mark since he never practices.

Posted by: Jay | May 30, 2010 11:15:02 AM

He may never practice... but he always plays on Sunday. Are we "talkin' bout practice? practice? not a game... practice?"


Posted by: Rug Pe'er | May 30, 2010 12:03:34 PM

i'd hate to see any of these guys leave outside of jarrett...i know richardson is a smart business man so he has to realize how he might be setting this team back for years by trying to lead by example in the CBA negotiations. i understand not wanting to give out huge contracts but you could at least throw these guys a bone with some added incentives in their current contracts. an extra mil here and extra 500 thousand there due to quality performance

Posted by: RJK | May 30, 2010 12:45:27 PM

If the owners and union can at least come to a one year agreement to prevent the lock out in 2011, current rules would allow teams to place the franchise tag on one player and place a transition tag (average of the top 10 salaries in the league at the player's position) on two players.

This would allow Carolina to franchise DW while giving them the ability to transition Kalil and TD (or Marshall or Moore if applicable, etc). Kalil, as a center, is better suited with a top 10 average lineman's pay as opposed to top 5. Same with TD, Marshall or Moore.

Posted by: pantherd | May 30, 2010 3:07:51 PM

@ Jay

Wow u must really care about practices lol. It doesn't stop or keep him from playing on Sundays.

So why would anybody care? As far as Williams goes, as much i hear everybody saying Rbs are the most replaceable position in the nfl.

I don't see them keeping Williams, but who knows especially when Stewart contracts runs out. Why have 2 rbs getting paid $7 or 8 million a yr? just a thought.

At some point he will be used as trade bait, only time will tell.

Posted by: adam carter | May 30, 2010 6:30:02 PM

you people are CRAZY.. Williams is one of the greats !! and if Stewart can not be hurt all the time, he could really put #s up too.. The two together makes something that's just B.A.!! it's HARD for teams to stop them both.. they make the other teams D tired.. KEEP THEM BOTH and with a good passing game, OMG !!!

Posted by: chris ance | May 30, 2010 9:10:43 PM

@ chris ance - I agree, plus, DeAngelo and Stewart can't make it thru a full season playing every down. They just are not that Big. Everyone is talking about Stewart not practicing, so trade him.. He plays every game, DeAngelo has missed several games, and several quarters. Panthers need both running backs, period.

Posted by: catsnmbr1fan | May 31, 2010 12:09:57 AM

What's with the INTRUSIVE ADS!?! Why don't you make us purchase internet insurance while your at it!

Great... did I just give them another way to extort from others??

Posted by: SYRPIS | May 31, 2010 1:16:34 AM

Newsflash...Ryan Kalil is already rich. He's already made more than most people earn in their entire lifetime.

Posted by: nygun | May 31, 2010 4:40:25 AM

Id say the Panthers will look dramtically different in 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: u_da_man | May 31, 2010 8:06:47 AM

JR has his health back and has fixed two huge problems. I am certain he is capable of fixing the ones you think are important. this will happen when he wants it to happen and perhaps "it is what it is" will finally go away.

Posted by: bob wave | May 31, 2010 8:30:07 AM

Just so you people know, the Panther's can't keep everyone that happens to turn out to be a great player. Salary Cap MAY go down if they can come to an agreement. The Panther's are a small market team, but JR has never been that stingy to put a winner on the field. He knows you put a good product out, people will come and buy merchandise. I don't see both Williams and Stewart being here long term together, the financial restrictions are going to be too much for the good of the team. Add to that Davis, Beason, Kalil, Moore(unless Claussin can be the man).

Posted by: DaveT | May 31, 2010 10:12:55 AM

Porbably won't keep any of them. Richardson has become one of the cheapest owners in the league. What good are good drafts if you don't keep the people you draft.

Posted by: Dave | May 31, 2010 10:49:44 AM

please help me out.i thought j.r got rid of all these vets so he would have money to sign the young stars to long term deals? shouldnt we have 20 million to throw around just by getting rid of peppers? im very confused.

Posted by: raydaz | May 31, 2010 10:58:43 AM

produce or get out!!!

Posted by: boydsgrigg | May 31, 2010 11:02:27 AM

Thomas Davis is the best! The panthers are taking advantage of his great spirit! He is definitely too nice! They should pay the man before somebody else does!

Posted by: Danielle | May 31, 2010 11:21:18 AM

Thomas Davis is the best! The panthers are taking advantage of his great spirit! He is definitely too nice! They should pay the man before somebody else does!

Posted by: Danielle | May 31, 2010 11:21:19 AM

who gives a crap about the panthers cap room, we probably have the most space in the league after Jerry Richardson turned jewi$$h on us

Posted by: parker | May 31, 2010 1:17:27 PM

@ Dave T

Who did the Panthers let go to call Jerry R a cheap owner besides Peppers? Oh thats right a bunch of aging and overpaid players.

Its bad enough that they don't have a legit passing game. So why get rid of both Williams and Stewart? Do they have someone who can replace one of them? Mike G lol, a fumble machine.

With the way players are getting paid these huge amounts of cash so early and when a new CBA gets resolved. The teams will feel stupid for overpaiding them.

Posted by: adam carter | May 31, 2010 1:46:33 PM

Giving away tons of money can ruin your franchise. As much as this whiny fan base always find something to complain, he wants each of them to learn a new extension.

And when they don't start producing, u will be one of the other fans complaining about let again Mr.Richardson is over paiding a player.

Posted by: adam carter | May 31, 2010 1:46:48 PM

Even if Stewart leaves we would still have potential in Goodson, I think we will be fine at the running back position for a long time coming

Posted by: Mitchell | May 31, 2010 1:51:13 PM

Need to keep Kalil and Williams. Not by franchise tags.

Posted by: par404 | May 31, 2010 1:56:44 PM

they don't absolutely need deangelo williams or richard marshall. marshall is only slightly above average for a corner. at rb they have stewart who is several years younger than williams, and just as good as he has proved many times. daniel porter or tyrell sutton could easily take up the 2nd rb spot. i think they're overpaying chris gamble, so that's going to hurt others' salaries. jon beason is looking for a huge payday since patrick willis is getting $10 million/year. i don't know how they're going to sign all these people. i have a bad feeling. how do they pay thomas davis, jon beason, ryan kalil, and matt moore? oh man. i hope it works out, but i don't know.

Posted by: Michael | May 31, 2010 2:01:42 PM

We need to to get Micheal Vick

Posted by: Quinton Pridgen | May 31, 2010 2:29:52 PM

Just what we needed...somebody bring up the Vick name. The Panthers need nobody else on offense this year unless they could get a proven wide receiver. Crayton comes to mind since he's unhappy with the Cowgirls. And I'll chime in on the fact that the Panthers won't be able to keep all the best players, due to cap room. Once this CBA crap is done, I think JR will pay out what he needs to keep who he can. Right now he's just making a point to the player's union.

Posted by: Ron | May 31, 2010 2:49:20 PM

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