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August 31, 2010

Not all PUPs created equal


   Had a lot of email and twitter questions today about the difference between LB Thomas Davis' and RT Jeff Otah's PUP (physically unable to perform) status.

   At the beginning of camp, if players aren't ready to go, the team will stick them on the active-PUP list. This is largely a paperwork maneuver, as they can be activated at any time, and they still count against the 80-man roster limit.

   What Davis went on Tuesday was the reserve-PUP list, which makes him ineligible for the first six weeks. After that time, there's a three-week window for the player to start practicing. Once he starts practicing, there's another three weeks before they have to decide whether to cut a player to make room for him or end his season by putting him on IR.

   Thus, Davis could be activated as soon as late October, but more likely no sooner than mid-November (if everything follows best case scenario trajectory).

   They put him on the reserve-PUP list to buy themselves a roster spot in the short term, but mostly to protect his ability to come back if he continues to progress.

   As unlikely as coming back from two torn ACLs in eight months might be, the fact Davis hasn't been shut down is a telling sign. He might not be able to play again this year, but the simple possibility is enough for him, so he's continuing to rehab like a man on his way back soon.

   Speaking of signs and comebacks, we're less than two weeks from the opener, and there's still no evidence of Otah on the practice field. That tells me the chances of him playing on Sept. 12 in New York are getting slim, and the Panthers better be prepared to live with Geoff Schwartz for a week or two.
Otah had his left knee scoped on Aug. 4, and the thought was he'd be back on the field in a month.
If they thought it was going to be six weeks away, they'd have put him on reserve-PUP with Davis. Since they didn't, it appears they're bracing for no more than a couple of weeks without their powerful strong-side blocker.

-- Darin Gantt


Posted by Observer Sports on August 31, 2010 at 09:10 PM | Permalink


We never get any updates on players that get hurt. 1 day they get hurt then the next thing we hear is they wont make a certain game or the player has been cut. Same thing with Sutton, he was hurt the same game as Wright was, Wright is on ir now & no news about Sutton. & just 1 question now, why wasnt Wright put on that pup ir? They can probably use a player like that around mid to late season when the injuries pile up & he would have all that time to heal & learn plays. Since its his shoulder he should be able to run routes & stuff within a month.

Posted by: MrBernz | Sep 1, 2010 12:44:03 AM

How good is Schwartz? He'll be facing a healthy Justin Tuck, who has been killing it this preseason. A lot of offenses went crazy on the Giants last year. Don't expect the same in 2010. GO BLUE.

Posted by: NYG Fan | Sep 1, 2010 12:44:15 AM

A player must be on PUP when training camp starts. A player on PUP can't practice. It was smart to put any player that can't practice on day one of training camp on the list.

Posted by: Ben | Sep 1, 2010 1:05:28 AM

Thanks Darin! That clears up some confusion with all the PUP jargon.

Posted by: Dlpz87 | Sep 1, 2010 1:09:32 AM

You don't remember Schwartz? He helped Stewart run all over that GIANT @$$ when we closed Giant Stadium for you. Now he is gonna help Stewart and D'Will run all over that GIANT @$$ again when we open your new facility. Nothing like giving you something to cherish for the next 30+ years. A good ole Panther @$$ whoopin.

Posted by: DavethePanther | Sep 1, 2010 6:48:37 AM


His shoulder is allegedly seriously messed up. Based on reports from NFL insiders it doesn't appear he is going to be able to come back this year.

Posted by: John | Sep 1, 2010 10:24:45 AM

I think Wright was put on IR because they were probably thinking about cutting him. To me he didn't show us much this preseason. He dropped a lot of balls(like everyone else) but he also wasn't as good as billed on special teams. I think this is a way of giving them a lot longer to evaluate him next offseason.

Posted by: Smiley | Sep 1, 2010 12:39:26 PM

MB: a player CANNOT go on the PUP after they pass their training camp physical and start practicing. Our choices were to either hold a roster spot for him (75, 53, whatever), put him on IR, or cut him with an injury settlement.

Smiley, he was definitely going to make the team. He's been a good special teamer over the course of several years (ranking among the top five in all of football based on at least one metric), and his performance would have started to look better as the unit around him got better. Further, grade his receiving ability on the Hankton or Mark Jones curve, and he looked like a veritable stud out there.

Posted by: Michael Procton | Sep 1, 2010 1:44:09 PM

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