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October 10, 2010

Panthers' offense bad all over

The finger pointing has started in the Panthers’ locker room. Although in this case, it is the offensive players pointing the finger at themselves.

Carolina’s defense and special teams were responsible for the 14-3, first quarter hole the Panthers dug Sunday against Chicago, but left tackle Jordan Gross did not mince words when discussing the team’s overall problem.

“We’re 0-5 because of the offense,” Gross said.

The Panthers don’t score. They don’t convert third downs. They don’t throw downfield. In short, they don’t do much of anything well offensively.

And Sunday they played without Steve Smith, their leading receiver and top playmaker.

Panthers coach John Fox talked about how devastating a slow start was to the Panthers in their “current state.”

With a rookie quarterback, three rookie receivers and another receiver plucked off the waiver wire last week, the 14-3 deficit might as well have been 44-3.

Fox pointed to a third-quarter, false-start penalty on left guard Travelle Wharton as a microcosm of the offense’s frustrations Sunday. Facing a fourth-and-1 at the Bears’ 28, the Panthers kept their offense on the field and tried to get the Bears to jump offside.

Instead, Wharton moved early – and the Panthers moved back 5 yards, making John Kasay’s 46-yard field goal a 51-yard try. He missed right.

This is not to lay all the blame at the feet of Wharton. And though the quarterback play has been putrid, Jimmy Clausen and Matt Moore are not the only culprits, either.

“I don’t know that I can put it at one position,” Fox said. “I know I say that a lot, but I mean it. The quarterbacks are having some help.”

Translated, Fox was saying there are a bunch of offensive players performing poorly.

Based on Gross’ comments and similar remarks by his teammates, at least they recognize it.

--Joseph Person

Posted by Observer Sports on October 10, 2010 at 08:31 PM | Permalink


Time for Jerry to bring his sons back in.

Posted by: CarPanFan1 | Oct 10, 2010 9:01:15 PM

I've seen enough of Clausen, his wind-up doll throwing motion, and his baseball sliding before the first down. How about we bring Matt in for the rest of the season? He proved last year that he could lead this offense. He played too great games last year against the Vikings, who needed to win to clinch home field and against the Giants, who needed to win to get in to the playoffs. Those were not give me games. He earned his spot and because of inexperienced receivers other than Smith and poor line play, he was yanked after only 1 game and 3 quarters. Clausen has done nothing to prove that he can lead this team. Today was the perfect example. I saw a rookie QB lead his Cardinals past the Saints today, something Clausen could not do when it counted. Moore should return as the QB because I saw more passion in him today than Clausen. He also happens to manage the clock better. Sure he threw 2 interceptions but we had no chance by the time he came in but he moved the ball against the Bears D in the final minutes. I want Moore as our QB because he deserves a second chance. Think and ask yourself, can Clausen really win for us this year? I think I've explained myself. Go Panthers!!!!!!!

Posted by: Paul | Oct 10, 2010 9:10:40 PM


Posted by: Spence | Oct 10, 2010 9:11:20 PM

Carolina will make a trade before the dead line for another reciever but who

Posted by: jamie | Oct 10, 2010 9:14:36 PM

paul you are right we need to start winning if we going to save the season

Posted by: jamie | Oct 10, 2010 9:19:48 PM

Go back to Matt Moore. Clausen isnt going to learn or develope with this seasons team and coaches.

Posted by: dusty | Oct 10, 2010 9:36:29 PM

hahahahah ya'll are idiots....do ya'll really think this season can be salvaged? give it up, it's done. put it in the books, we'll have a top 4 draft pick next year guarntee it, and im okay with that. i want aj green or julio jones and i want this team we call a professional football team disassembled. keep beason. keep smitty. keep dwill. trade jstew. keep tdavis. keep godfrey and gamble. peace out marshall peace out all the offensive line except gross and kalil. i don't even know what we can do it quarterback that position is atrocious. screw it they might as well move this team to L.A.

Posted by: errydayissunny | Oct 10, 2010 9:36:50 PM

@ erry I'm with ya man, if this is the "quality" football that Richardson is gonna provide, then just move.

Posted by: Rick | Oct 10, 2010 9:41:46 PM

All of you "fans" really feel that after having a franchise for not even 20 years, that we should ship the team out the door to L.A.?!? I'm glad that the majority of real fans don't feel this way. Yes, the losses are disappointing, but what do you expect from a team that is rebuilding?? You really expect a 12-4 season?!? Yes we kept our "core" group of players, and should not be seeing the issues that we are, but in order for a team to truly rebuild, you have to allow time for a group to grow around your "core." Give Jimmy the rest of the season, he is a rookie and needs the experience.

The organization made the conscious decision to not have an "experienced" QB on the team this year, therefore the best teacher for Jimmy is for him to play out the season and learn from his mistakes each week. The receivers are by no means helping the situation either, but some of the best things in life take time to develop.

Blame goes to everyone, not one specific player, and although the organization has not directly came out and said that we are rebuilding, it is pretty obvious that we are. Panthers might not have a pretty season this year, but we have had more success from the Panthers since their inception than some teams have had with a much longer stay in the league than us. I believe that having a "low quality" football team for what I hope amounts to only this season is a whole lot better than having no team at all.

Posted by: Seriously?!? | Oct 10, 2010 9:57:57 PM

any given sunday erry, fox team alway play hard in the end

Posted by: jamie | Oct 10, 2010 9:57:59 PM

@ errydayissunny

Stewart isn't going no where, Davis is expendable with the way the LB core is playing well.

Dan M 2.0? Carolina needs a draft a DT, CB, or a WR( wouldn't matter because our coaching staff can't develop either of them.

I would like Patrick Peterson (CB from Lsu), Marces D ( DT from Bama) or AJ G or Julio J. But do they have nfl speed to get seperation from defenders?

Posted by: adam carter | Oct 10, 2010 10:02:53 PM

adam i'd stay away from patrick peterson just because we have a solid group of corners, but i wouldnt agrue with getting him because he is a huge threat in the return game. i don't like going to the marcel dareous route just because i feel like we need more weapons on the offensive front.

Posted by: errydayissunny | Oct 10, 2010 10:08:09 PM

Listening to Pat K calling the game today was like going to college after sitting in the slow class. The Observer needs to just fire the entire sportswriting staff and replace it with one decent, knowledgeable writer. Clausen has about a dozen things wrong with him that nobody's ever even mentioned in print here. Gantt and Fowler don't dare criticize Fox or Hurney or Richardson for fear of losing the only sources they have. Kirwan told it like it is. We've been sold out by our owner.

Posted by: Authority | Oct 10, 2010 10:22:49 PM


If Richard M leaves from FA or through trade, do u really want Captain M as the #2 cornerback? I wouldn't.

Marcel D is an undersize DT, but he has experience playing in both a 4-3/3-4 scheme.

We need a DT to anchor the DLine drawing double to triple team consistently, in stead of the Dends doing it.

Patrick P is a Gamble or Nnamdi A clone, well in terms of height/speed also alot physical in man coverage.

Only time will tell who the new coaching staff will want Hurney to draft. But with the current staff, any WRs would look average at best.

Posted by: adam carter | Oct 10, 2010 10:47:18 PM


Posted by: DOhhhhhhh | Oct 10, 2010 11:26:05 PM

Fox and Davidson should both be in the unemployment line by lunchtime Monday, but Jerry is too senile to pull the trigger.

Instead of a heart transplant, I think they did a lobotomy on Richardson instead.

Posted by: Phil | Oct 10, 2010 11:39:22 PM

adam i just don't think dareous is the answer. i know it's a stretch but i'd love to have what we had with buckner and jenkins: two monsterous d tackles over 300 pounds. i'd love to try and get marvin austin if we can somehow find another late first round pick or early second rounder. i just think we have many more offensive issues we need to address before we can even mess around with the defense....my only question is when the hell are we going to make some big free agency moves? it's been forever since we picked up ken lucas, mike whale, keyshawn, etc.

Posted by: errydayissunny | Oct 10, 2010 11:46:31 PM


Everybody should know Meeks likes athletic DTs, in which I don't understand. But Marces D does weighs 306 pounds btw.

Some scouts have Marvin A as a late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round pick due to getting in trouble. If they are willing to trade down to regain a 2nd rounder, I would take Austin.

But since the next CBA will have a rookie scale, I would draft AJ G or Julio J. But will the new coaching staff be able to develop them?

"My only question is when the hell are we going to make some big free agency moves"? Next year draft class will be alot better than 2010, but I don't want the Panthers FO to overpay for them as well.

To me Vincent J would be sweet to sign through FA, instead of trading. He is 1 more incident from being suspended for 1 year.

Posted by: adam carter | Oct 11, 2010 12:10:05 AM

What I find funny is that Fox blames Travelle for his failed attempt to draw the Bears offsides or kick a FG then. Thus foiling our chance to lose the game 23-9.

Outside of high school and Division III does this ever work to get first downs? I've seen Fox try this several times,it fails each time, we usually lose 5yards (plus any momentum we had) and punt anyway for a minimal gain (20yards).

I hope our next coach has the stones to line up, do a quick count, and get a first down or at least take some blame on himself if it fails due to cowardly thinking.

Posted by: Sportsdon | Oct 11, 2010 12:28:11 AM

Clausen is a complete joke. Yeah the kid is a rookie, yeah he was some kinda college star, and blah blah blah. He can't hand the ball off or take a snap....he's on par with Carr. Moore may not be the next Dan Marino but he is fairly reliable. Give me the QB that gives me the best chance to win, which is Moore. Another capable WR and an Oline would be appreciated too!

Posted by: Michael | Oct 11, 2010 12:49:11 AM

Since it looks like we will be picking with either the first or second pick in next years draft it might be time to draft a QB who can actually throw the ball.

Clausen was not a waisted pick, but he needs a lot more time to develop.

Aw, scratch that. This coaching staff couldnt call the kinda plays to get a rookie into any kinda rhythm anyway. They would just ruin him.

Lets hope they are not here next year. (All though I kinda hope Meeks stays). Aside from tonights first quarter run dee that side looks pretty good for the year.

Posted by: Chuck | Oct 11, 2010 12:49:23 AM

i hate to harp on it, but im more disappointed in management, coaches, etc. than the players. You have to understand these players are just as upset as we are with their production on the field but at the end of the day lets be honest boys we have a crappy coaching staff. our offensive cordinator is by far the worst in the league, i mean damn he was o-cord coached cleveland before us, and they're offense is a horrendous. john fox has alot of respect in this league for some odd reason, but he's just too conservative and to be honest were in a league right now where offense and aggressiveness pays off. i really do hope richardson and hurney can find us a aggressive offensive minded coach. i'd look at maybe jason garrett from the cowboys, maybe mike mulharkey from the falcons....hell here's a wild card for ya: kirby smart the defensive coordinator for alabama.

Posted by: errydayissunny | Oct 11, 2010 1:04:52 AM

Good Article calling out our filthy rich and seemingly careless owner.


Posted by: Chuck | Oct 11, 2010 1:59:47 AM

Watching this offense just makes me want to pass gas. It just stinks!! Makes my stomach hurt!!

Posted by: Chuck | Oct 11, 2010 2:04:11 AM

this is a serious question.....does anyone know where i can find the a number or email to any of the members of the panthers management....all i want is answers. i still don't know why the hell jerry richardson did what he did in the offseason and to be quite blunt i wish he would go in a hole and never come out. is it possible to sell your owner hahah, because he sucks and he sucks bad.

IN CASE NO ONE HAS NOTICED ALL JERRY RICHARDSON CARES ABOUT IS THIE MONEY!. finally people are starting to catch on, hence why he got rid of everybody.

Posted by: dont worry about it | Oct 11, 2010 2:34:03 AM

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