March 21, 2011
Veteran QBs on trade market (whenever it opens)
As the Panthers weigh the pros and cons of Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert -- along with Ron Rivera's third-party candidate Ryan Mallett -- the organization likely is engaging in another quarterback debate behind the scenes:
Kevin Kolb or Carson Palmer?
Both are available via trade and would give the Panthers a veteran presence to pair with Jimmy Clausen, who struggled mightily after being pressed into action as a rookie.
The Eagles have a team willing to give up a first-round pick for Kolb but are looking for a pick higher in the first round, according to King. Meanwhile, Palmer apparently has not budged in his desire to leave Cincy, preferably for a West Coast team.
Kolb, 26, is five years younger than Palmer and has shown high upside in his seven career starts. Palmer has more experience and a good reputation as a leader in the locker room, although his passer rating has been on a downward trajectory his last four full seasons.
Of course, a prolonged lockout would make the discussion moot.
While the Panthers have valuable trading chips with the No. 1 pick and, potentially, veteran WR Steve Smith, teams can trade only picks during the work stoppage.
Posted by Observer Sports on March 21, 2011 at 11:32 AM | Permalink
Unless a new CBA is signed before the draft, players can't be traded, only players, and if Chris Mortensen is correct, trading a 2012 draft pick is a risk, because the draft isn't guaranteed after 2011.
Posted by: DaMan | Mar 21, 2011 11:56:01 AM
Sorry, of course it should read that only draft picks can be traded.
Posted by: DaMan | Mar 21, 2011 12:17:51 PM
Don't get sold on Kolb unless you are getting Andy Reid he is the reason why Mcnabb (did you see him last year) Vick (mysteriously becomes a legite passer) and Kolb (looks great when he comes in) Its a system in which David Carr would look decent, Ok did I go overboard there?
Posted by: PaantherFan | Mar 21, 2011 12:17:52 PM
"Kolb, 26, is five years younger than Palmer and has shown high upside in his seven career starts."
Kolb is the product of a great system that passes 55-60% of the time. He will put up a ton of passing yards, but will throw ints more tha td's. He is at best inconsistent, plus can he throw the ball vertically? Since that what Ron R wants.
If he couldn't perform consistently with the Eagles with more young talented weapons, what makes think he will do any better with not so much talent in Carolina? He's not that mobile. Andy R will once again fool another team with trading for his Qb's. AJ Freely with the Dolphins, McNabb with the Redskins. Who next?
Carson P hasn't been himself since 2005, he has been up and down lately. But has been playing better without T.O and Chad constantly whining about wanting the ball, forcing picks. If a new cba ever gets done, swap 1st and 3rd with the Bengals to acquire Palmer.
Posted by: oh wow | Mar 21, 2011 12:18:15 PM
Let me get this right the last comment suggested trade a 1 st and a 3 rd for Carson palmer! Are you out of your mind? That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while! So what your saying is trade the number 1 overall pick plus a 3rd which will be the first pick in the 3 rd round for a 31 year old qb who has had major knee surgery and has looked very,very mediocre the past few years. I would give the 3rd pick and maybe a 5th rounder and even then have reservations about it! Man I am so glad you don't make personnel decisions for the panthers. If you really think that is a good deal then I have some ocean front property in colorado for sale you might be interested in!
Posted by: mike | Mar 21, 2011 12:36:38 PM
Even swapping 1 st and 3 rd for palmer is too much1
Posted by: mike | Mar 21, 2011 12:37:54 PM
I've said it before. Swap first-rounders with Philly and get their 2nd rounder in return for Palmer.
Posted by: Authority | Mar 21, 2011 12:38:49 PM
Sorry, mis-stated. Give up the 1st pick in return for Palmer and Philly's 2nd rounder.
Posted by: Authority | Mar 21, 2011 12:39:22 PM
Posted by: trex | Mar 21, 2011 12:40:43 PM
What have people been smokin this morning??? These comments are IDIOTIC!
Posted by: Tommygunz | Mar 21, 2011 12:44:41 PM
You mean Cincinnati not Philly.
Posted by: Ron Mexico | Mar 21, 2011 12:49:24 PM
"Let me get this right the last comment suggested trade a 1 st and a 3 rd for Carson palmer! Are you out of your mind?"
Read carefully smart guy, I said swapping 1st and 3rd round picks with the Bengals. Not trading a 1st and 3rd round Palmer, so whereare you getting that from?
"Even swapping 1 st and 3rd for palmer is too much1".
How, aren't the Bengals selecting 4th anyway? Clearly they are, so it wouldn't cost much. None of these Qb's are worth a 1st overall pick, unless you are a Newton lover lmao.
Heck with how bad the Bengals draft in the 1st round, they would draft either Newton or Gabbert #1 overall. PP or Aj G could still be had with the 4th pick, there's no clear cut # 1 anyway.
I'm just giving my opinion, whats make you so better? None of us aren't Gm's on the Panthers, who anyone would be an upgrade over Hurney recents drafts.
Posted by: oh wow | Mar 21, 2011 1:07:27 PM
Carolina needs to regain a 2nd round pick, too bad Hurney stupid ass gave it up for a project in AE.
What the hell was he thinking? He would be be fired if he made that kind of mistake with teams such as the Cowboys, or any high market team.
Anyway I don't trust Philly Qb's in another system, they always seems to flop elsewhere. Heck i'm sure Matt M would look solid on that system.
@ Mike the Bengals are selecting 4th overall, so how much would it really cost moving up to 1st overall? Since it will cost too much. It's only a 3 spot difference, you make it seems like it's a 9 spot difference. instead of bashing someone, just ignore and psit something else.
Posted by: j johnson | Mar 21, 2011 1:14:28 PM
Also the Panthers only have 5 freaking picks, how are they going to address their needs? With trading back or swapping picks( which include more picks or a player) can help address some of those.
This is a bad yr to have the #1 overall pick in such a talented defensive draft.
Posted by: j johnson | Mar 21, 2011 1:26:22 PM
Please, folks, watch your language in the comments. I realize people are fired up about having the No. 1 pick, but that's not an excuse to use the kind of language we have had in these comments. If you can't keep yourself under control, please don't post at all. Thanks.
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Posted by: Mike Persinger | Mar 21, 2011 1:29:00 PM
Kolb would be an interesting pickup, but he's not worth a 1st round pick as high as the Panthers are drafting. In terms of risk vs. reward, he is worth a low 1 at best. Reid likely already has a standing offer from Seattle for Kolb when the time comes. Now he's trying to better deal that scenario.
Palmer I think would be a serviceable transition player, provided we pay no more than a 3rd round pick for him. He'd also provide some nice tutelage for Clausen and Moore.
Bottom line is, the Panthers aren't going to be very good next year. Our offense is in transition, our coaches can't coach in the offseason, which leaves us woefully unprepared compared to the other teams in our division.
The good news is, we may be in contention for Andrew Luck's services in the 2012 draft.
Posted by: Doclotus | Mar 21, 2011 1:29:40 PM
Palmer wants to get to the west coast, and could retire at any moment (he reportedly has MANY millions of $ stashed away and doesn't need money. Stay away from him. Kolb is not worth a #1 pick, particularly not 1st overall. If we could trade our pick with New England for both of their 1st rounders (17 & 28), then trade #28 to Philly for Kolb, that could be an option. But you're not as likely to get an impact player at 17. Whatever the new CBA looks like, it will have restricted salaries for drafted players, so I say find the player most likely to be a perennial all-star and draft him.
Posted by: Bassman | Mar 21, 2011 1:42:07 PM
This isn't preschool. If you aren't able to handle a few four letter words, try not reading the page and let the adults engage in conversation?
My two cents? Screw Cam Newton. Drafting my cat would be a better move.
Posted by: Chad | Mar 21, 2011 1:46:12 PM
"If we could trade our pick with New England for both of their 1st rounders (17 & 28), then trade #28 to Philly for Kolb, that could be an option. But you're not as likely to get an impact player at 17."
I was liking your comments until you said they aren't likely to find an impact player at 17th. Also trading the 28th overall pick for Kolb, the Panthers need to stop trading away high future draft pick anyway. Hurney seems to give them up easily, sure will miss that 2nd round pick.
Posted by: j johnson | Mar 21, 2011 1:52:01 PM
Kevin Kolb or Carson Palmer? Are these morons serious? You would be hard pressed to find another team in the NFL that runs its organization as poorly as this one. I have a prediction for everyone...if they don't have another strike....the Panthers will be lucky to win one game next season....and thats only if the opposing teams plane crashes on approach to Charlotte. Hang it up and sell the team. These people couldn't build a football team if their life depended on it.
Posted by: streuber | Mar 21, 2011 2:09:10 PM
My vote is with Palmer as well -- I believe he would do well here and can lead an offense. The Bengals did win their division the year before last against tough Pittsburgh largely due to him and his decisionmaking. To me, he is out best chance to win in next few years vs. waiting for Cam and others to become NFL players.
Posted by: 3 & Out | Mar 21, 2011 2:14:12 PM
I think we should trade for Peyton Manning
Posted by: the voice of ridiculation | Mar 21, 2011 2:19:35 PM
Posted by: blackspeak | Mar 21, 2011 2:25:05 PM
Classy Chad....real classy.
Posted by: Dustin | Mar 21, 2011 2:31:26 PM
Obviously Chad is an 8th grader.
Posted by: Lovdacats | Mar 21, 2011 3:14:55 PM
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