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February 26, 2013

Panthers want to get help for Cam & Kuechly

It's officially crazy season in the NFL.

With the combine wrapping up and a couple of weeks before free agency begins, prepare to hear a lot of rumors about Player X going to Team Y, and Team Y drafting Player A, B, C … or Z.

Panthers coach Ron Rivera waded into crazy season Tuesday morning in response to a question from the NFL.com's Steve Wyche, who asked Rivera if the Panthers were interested in Mike Wallace, the Steelers' free agent wideout.

You're warm, but you know, what's going to be interesting is how things unfold once we get to March 12,” Rivera said on “NFL AM” from the combine in Indianapolis.

“There's a lot of things that are out there that we have to really take into consideration. You know, we'll see how things are going to affect us when we get to the 12th.”

Twitter world took the innocuous comment and ran with it.

But here's the thing: You think Rivera would tip his hand on national TV about a particular free agent the Panthers are targeting?

Not a chance.

By “warm,” Rivera was repeating his offseason theme that the Panthers want to surround Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly – their last two first-round picks (take a bow, Marty Hurney) – with players who can help them be successful.

In Kuechly's case, that means a defensive tackle, as I wrote about Tuesday.

In Cam's case, it means either a wideout or offensive tackle – or both – to throw into the mix and groom as long-term replacements for Steve Smith and Jordan Gross.

Could Wallace be a target? Sure.

So could Chris Canty, Cullen Jenkins, Cordarrelle Patterson and Lane Johnson.

But the Panthers first need to create about $10 million in cap space.

That's a hot-button issue, not just “warm.”

--Joseph Person

Posted by Observer Sports on February 26, 2013 at 03:51 PM | Permalink

Comments

Sign Glen Dorsey. He's been out of position in KC and is still young. Very low risk vs. possible high reward. Draft Patterson if he is there, so that you have another playmaker to step in when Smith retires(in 5 years).

Posted by: cppro | Feb 26, 2013 4:38:34 PM

It matters not. We are way over the cap, and will have to cut a few players to start the season as is. We are light years away from making a move on a player as good as Wallace. Again, the Panthers beat writers are selling clay and calling it gold.

Posted by: KnowThis | Feb 26, 2013 4:46:03 PM

why wouldn't you think rivera would tip his hand in public?

this is the same coach that stated "we're going to give the ball to jonathan stewart and run the ball a lot early" prior to a game last year in which they did just that and got stuffed repeatedly. hmmm.

dude needs to go learn from the john fox school of public relations and anti social media.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 26, 2013 4:47:24 PM

I think you need to take a shot at Glenn Dorsey as well. He was dominant at LSU but has been playing out of position in K.C. Then you could draft the best WR or OL available. Both sides of the ball are then happy. Dorsey in a 4-3 will put up huge numbers. Release Gamble, R. Edwards and 3 or 4 more backup guys to free the cap room. And lets be realistic...our 1st and 2nd round pics will only be the ones who make the roster. The rest will be cut or destined for the practice squad. In the 2nd round take best CB left.

Posted by: bb1130 | Feb 26, 2013 5:53:26 PM

I agree with the Dorsey comment, out of position as a 3-4. The guy was supposed to be the next Sapp. This team does not need to spend big money in FA, just smart money on better mid range FA, i.e. the are where Hurney failed to draft well...

Posted by: Steven | Feb 26, 2013 6:47:00 PM

OT? Panthers need Guards. Panthers D2 LG last year was terrible! Just get a veteran average LG and thing would of been a lot different last year!

Guy was brutal!

Posted by: PSL OWNER | Feb 26, 2013 7:28:17 PM

not at all...... silatolu was a stud the 2nd half of the year. we only looked bad when jeff byers and jeremy bridges were playing. we need depth but our starters are solid.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 26, 2013 8:16:08 PM

I get all my Panther news from The Charlotte John Blog but thaaaanks

Posted by: Kinston | Feb 26, 2013 10:45:17 PM

The writers that cover the panthers for the observer are full of fluff and very little substance. They never had a bad word say about Richardson or Hurney while they were bumbling through the last few years. The problems this team has are real and will be difficult to fix. Not because of injuries but because of bad ownership and management.

Posted by: John | Feb 27, 2013 11:15:50 AM

Two words,Dorsey and Canty if Canty will sign cheap enough,due to him staying hurt.I like Byers,he has grit,keep him for backup.draft OT,if one of the three best on board are available,if not best NT.We need a big TE like PITA from Baltimore.The absents of SHOCKEY took us out of the playoffs.

Posted by: Bill | Feb 27, 2013 11:51:26 AM

john.....maybe because richardson and hurney aren't really a problem. we lost a ton of close games. that's not a management issue. management would be if we were getting blown out year after year. that's not at all what's going on. we rebuilt and have a solid nucleus in place for the future and don't really have a lot of holes to fill.

their hiring of rivera is the only mistake I see and even that could have been significantly worse. hurney lost his job because guys like you complained A LOT. his record during his tenure was SOLID. no doubt well above average for a GM.

there is a luck and strategic decision making element to close games that has nothing to do with talent and management.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 27, 2013 12:00:33 PM

I agree with Dorsey, or Canty. I think rd 1 we go for Patterson/Austin or Trufant. Rd 2 take best available WR or DB. Late rounds take a flyer like Mattheiu. He was so fluid playing the ball, im not worried about his weak bench. let him play slot corner, blitz and return punts and kicks

Posted by: Pat | Feb 27, 2013 12:36:30 PM

Gettleman is gonna build this team from the inside out, no doubt. My guess, OL with 1st pick, DT with 2nd. I agree with building around both Cam and Luke.

Posted by: Swizzle52 | Feb 27, 2013 12:59:15 PM

How about both DORSEY and CANTY,Then we can look at CB,TE,and WR in draft.

Posted by: BILL | Feb 27, 2013 3:01:28 PM

Again, this is all Marty's fault, He over paid what five or so players and now the Panthers are saddled with cap problems. He was fired way too late, but the damage is done, so stop the crying

Posted by: vinny_57 | Feb 27, 2013 3:47:40 PM

Smartest answer of all - let the brain trust of the Carolina Panthers do what they need to do. I'm not too thrilled with these mock drafts coming up with totally obscure names we've never heard of saying their the best ones for the Panthers. The Panthers will go to all of these Pro Days and decide. They will also decide who they will get off the free agency. I'm going to just sit back and enjoy seeing who they pick.

Posted by: doggybone | Feb 27, 2013 6:13:28 PM

newsflash geniuses.........hurney didn't sign these contracts thinking that all these guys would still be around. this is standard practice for the NFL. that's why the contracts are only semi guaranteed. when guys get hurt, they get cut. when guys get old, they get cut. when guys get expensive, they get cut. when guys get mediocre, they get cut.

this is standard business in the nfl, look at the whole league, most teams are over the cap and working to get under. we are NOT in a bad situation. the steelers have restructured a ton of guys and they are still like 8 million over and don't have a clear cut cap victim like we do with gamble.

we also have 4 starting linebackers under contract. we don't have a cap dilemma. we just have to pick which guy. hurney surely never imagined that davis would come back as healthy as he did and have the year he just did.

you can't comment on things without doing more research. a guy just said we should draft TE and WR. i mean seriously. like our passing game personnel was ever the problem. it's as if guys don't even follow the sport. just post random ish on a message board.

we have returning starters at every single position on offense. we have returning defenders at every position except dwan edwards who might be back but is a UFA, ron edwards who is probably a cap casualty, and FS where no effing way is nakamura starting for this team again barring injury. We have young guys too. Only old guys we have are Gross and Smith and both of them have several years in the tank if they want to. Willaims is 29. I think davis is too.


how you guys can complain about hurney blows my mind. the guy assembled a squadron that gettleman will tweak slightly and win. coaching was the problem last year, not personnel. kalil's injury didn't help. 7-9 right? 7 losses came down to 1 play, 1 game was single handedly lost by a rookie kick returner and the other 1 we just got effed by the bronco's.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 27, 2013 7:08:32 PM

The number one thing to do is to secure the lines.Ilike the CBs we have,and we can get by with the WRs we already have on the team.If we had another TE like OLSEN we could have a double threat in the passing game,that can and would move the chains.DORSEY and CANTY could create havic for any team that played us.Then we could pick OG at 14. But what do i know.
I do know Hurney paid players to much,and lost draft picks for the next year. I also know he picked good players in the first rounds,that i do know.

Posted by: BILL | Feb 27, 2013 8:53:04 PM

he also got some great picks late.

i don't think he's overpaid anybody. guys have been under utilized with big contracts sure but the only guy that ever got overpaid was peppers but that was a market thing not a hurney thing.

i mean steve smith in the 3rd round. greg hardy and david gettis in the same 6th round?! SERIOUSLY. he got us 2 starting corners in late rounds last 2 years.

people hate him like they hate jake delhomme and they hate john fox. aka 3 of the 4 most successful guys in franchise history. insane. they will probably hate smith as he gets old.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 27, 2013 10:18:13 PM


We got "the Gospel according to Luke" instead. He may just turn out to be the best draft pick in Panthers history. Not everything Hurney did was a mistake!

Posted by: Ray Macdonald | Feb 28, 2013 2:11:38 AM

Charlottean stop sipping the Kool Aid. You can't say these contracts weren't expected to "still be around." Based on the prorations of the signing bonuses they must "still be around." That's why these guys can't be cut. If these contracts were at the end of their lives, I could see where you are coming from, but not years 2 and 3. The RBs and LBs are WAY overpaid. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that part out. I agree that the cap problem is overblown, but to say the RBs and LBs aren't overpaid is ignorant.

Posted by: Sambo | Feb 28, 2013 8:22:00 AM

chris gamble wasn't expected to make the roster this year. they were never going to pay that dude 7.9 million to be mediocre.

thomas davis wasn't expected to recover.

ron edwards was expected to be replaced by now.

that alone puts us under the cap. tons of teams in the league are in the same exact situation. you guys act like hurney was going all steinbrenner over here, yet simultaneously complaining that our owner is too cheap? the linebackers aren't overpaid, we just have 1 too many. we have 4 upper echelon starting linebackers. you have to assume we won't in a few months. hard to imagine both davis and beason making the team this year.

standard practice in the nfl is to get a guy on a 5 year contract that is really a 2 year contract. team holds all the leverage. guys have to negotiate just to keep their jobs every year. that's why when guys outperform their contract, they hold out.


williams averages the same ypc as peterson. only difference is, one team gives him the ball and the other runs an effed up spread option. williams doesn't call the plays.


criticize hurney all you want but gettleman gave stewart more guaranteed money. i don't know the details on that, I'm sure there was some sort of reasoning there, but from the outside looking in.....THAT looked crazy.

Posted by: charlottean | Feb 28, 2013 10:20:17 AM

@ charlottean - I agree with you, by far you are closer to relaity on htis blog then 95% of these othere GM posters.
Only one thing I disagree with you on, Panthers don't have (4) superior LB's.. Thomas Davis is a good plug in LB, but most people didn't see him after the games were played. Ice bags tied to his knees, walking gingerly the next day. Panthers have 3 starters, in Luke, Beason, and Anderson.. Beason has already said, he will move to the outside LB position if needed.

And I agree on Hurney, people complain way to much about his drafts. But all GM's miss on draft picks, it's why it's a gamble. Alex Smith #1 pick overall, several years. Terrible pick by the 49'ers, when you consider all the players they passed on. The great God called Bill Belichick, can't draft a DB starter in 10+ years, and he is a ex DB coach.

Posted by: catsnmbr1fan | Feb 28, 2013 10:16:23 PM

I think you should drat taio from nd.I mean i think the ravens also need him beacause of lewis but who ever gets him first wicth could be you.

Posted by: bamaboy330 | Mar 8, 2013 3:15:21 PM

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